Cryptos scam, unpaid - protection for hunters.

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Quote from: NeverSop on July 22, 2021, 08:15:25 AM

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How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?
Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

I can understand how you feel about completing a task and not getting paid, even a worthy response. Sometimes there is a shift of responsibility between the bounty manager and the dev team. However, are we here to benefit? Yes, I am sure, we are learning, exchanging and honing our experience in this market. Are there benefits for the bounty? Sure it does, but it's not quite as crypto-specific. It seems that if you take all the blame by criticizing, putting pressure on the bounty manager is a common practice for any hunter if not paid. But who will understand for them, it's a job in the "Yes" range of risk, not absolute value. Project Appraisal is their business, but it can change at any time from the project. And it's unfair, they take advantage of that to put pressure on the bounty manager and what does he have to do with the train? They have tension.

If the bounty manager wants to have a good reputation, he tries to select projects that are transparent and have no suspicions of scam. However, there are those who take any projects, whether they are scam or not, because they only care about money.
Of course, it is not up to the bounty manager whether the project will pay out tokens or not, but his experience and intentions can greatly reduce the risk that the bounty hunter will be scammed.

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How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?
Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

I can understand how you feel about completing a task and not getting paid, even a worthy response. Sometimes there is a shift of responsibility between the bounty manager and the dev team. However, are we here to benefit? Yes, I am sure, we are learning, exchanging and honing our experience in this market. Are there benefits for the bounty? Sure it does, but it's not quite as crypto-specific. It seems that if you take all the blame by criticizing, putting pressure on the bounty manager is a common practice for any hunter if not paid. But who will understand for them, it's a job in the "Yes" range of risk, not absolute value. Project Appraisal is their business, but it can change at any time from the project. And it's unfair, they take advantage of that to put pressure on the bounty manager and what does he have to do with the train? They have tension.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on July 20, 2021, 08:14:06 AM

actually that's what always happen in bounty section wherein alot of bounty hunters always didn't receive rewards from the project afterwards and even now

I have seen some accounts attempt to join bounties that have been long abandoned and bumped that thread. It shows that most of the account created for this purpose is just to join bounties and try to defraud them. But they forget that the project's were scam in the first place. Cheesy

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for me the sad facts when there's a new projects running a campaign no one provide escrow to protect the rights of some hunters, that's why it's very complicated to join because most of the projects nowadays in bounty section are waste of time

Escrows are not equal to lawyers. Nobody protects a bounty hunter except they themselves. One cannot be guaranteed payment if the team decides not to pay them. Again most projects will not go to that extent to get an escrow either, but we have had legit projects run in the past and those that were escrowed were mostly legit.

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Just imagine 4 weeks working in it and sometimes they extended the distribution but after all you will receive a shitcoin and sometimes nothing.. Lol

Yup, the bubble that bounties can make them rich needs to stop. They will only waste your time which one can put to better use. Bitcoin paying campaigns come up every month in this forum.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 27, 2021, 11:07:43 AM

1. Escrow the bounty funds and make sure it's managed by trusted managers.
2. Never join any non-escrowed bounties if you fear the bounty won't paid you in the future.

Those 2 suggestions I provide above 100% will prevent from bounty scam and make bounty scam will go away since no one is interested.

Escrow can only be said to solve 100% if the team don't have the power to change the contract address so easily (i.e from the alts campaign point of view) but in a situation where the team decided to change the contract address immediately the campaign is over then what good would be the escrowed tokens? evidently, there is no 100% way of dealing with campaigns that has to do with tokens of the said project because it can go either ways, sometimes when the project refuse or could not make it to the exchange as a result of one thing or another, still the token reward will becomes useless to hunters, perhaps you narrow your response to the btc paying campaigns and not extend to alts campaigns because those hardly use any escrow.

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Every newbie whether they like it or not their main choice here to earn crypto or bitcoin is to become a bounty hunters.
This is where I started when I was a newbie here. But the disadvantage is that most of the time bounty hunters always unpaid for every
ico project that arise here in crypto space.

actually that's what always happen in bounty section wherein alot of bounty hunters always didn't receive rewards from the project afterwards and even now..for me the sad facts when there's a new projects running a campaign no one provide escrow to protect the rights of some hunters, that's why it's very complicated to join because most of the projects nowadays in bounty section are waste of time.. Just imagine 4 weeks working in it and sometimes they extended the distribution but after all you will receive a shitcoin and sometimes nothing.. Lol

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Every newbie whether they like it or not their main choice here to earn crypto or bitcoin is to become a bounty hunters.
This is where I started when I was a newbie here. But the disadvantage is that most of the time bounty hunters always unpaid for every
ico project that arise here in crypto space.

Most of this problem was coming from the scam project as the dev was running away nor didn't give a response when the campaign already ended. In some cases, even the trusted developers didn't even wanna try to pay the hunters.
The manager must create protection for the hunters and this can be done through use the of escrow but this is the problem since a few years ago when the developers didn't wanna try to use escrow.
There was also another problem when the hunters are looking for quantity over quality from the projects

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Quote from: Cryptomiles1 on July 07, 2021, 11:31:31 AM

Let say the Truth about this matter, sometimes most project owners do paid the manager but due to greed and hunter for money made most of the bounty managers not to pay hunters, some manager will even warned you not to mention about bounty in the main group if such is done you are automatically disqualified this is reason because they don't want to project owners to know they have not paid the hunters.

Now what good managers does it that;
They will escrow the funds, and if they noticed a silly play about the project they will pause it with immediate effects not to allow their community work.

The majority of bounty projects that get paid to working participants are from managers with great reputation, I mean their rank and experience. Whether they are individuals or an affiliated group... Most are guaranteed payment. On the other hand, projects that want to have great success, they often choose excellent and quality bounty managers to collect good traffic. Perhaps the Margin option is a good idea but I think it will be difficult to enforce. If they think of benefits together.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 10:43:46 AM

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

This is the complex issue that comes with freedom for all in this space. We have tools and utilities that are fully integrated on bitcointalk, which is a place to work and make free money. Personally, I'm really grateful for the forum. Bounty managers also do their job, they are not AI machines to recognize, appraise a project as 100% real. For me, a bounty manager with a great reputation will be considered first. Yes, there is a risk of delay or the value of your labor being wasted, but it is a job you can accept as well as futile.

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Quote from: Cryptomiles1 on July 07, 2021, 11:31:31 AM

Let say the Truth about this matter, sometimes most project owners do paid the manager but due to greed and hunter for money made most of the bounty managers not to pay hunters, some manager will even warned you not to mention about bounty in the main group if such is done you are automatically disqualified this is reason because they don't want to project owners to know they have not paid the hunters.

Now what good managers does it that;
They will escrow the funds, and if they noticed a silly play about the project they will pause it with immediate effects not to allow their community work.

It's because of the continuous delay that the hunters will ask in the main group if they promise according to what is said in the bounty thread I don't think the hunters will do this in the main group, and I think they are annoyed with the false promises that continue to be made by the team about distribution, that's usually the case.

The manager will not be able to raise funds for the project he is only hired to manage the bounty and that's nothing more, and as hunters of course they are the ones who promote everywhere including social media which is often the target of investors, but sometimes raising funds depends on the quality of the project.

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Let say the Truth about this matter, sometimes most project owners do paid the manager but due to greed and hunter for money made most of the bounty managers not to pay hunters, some manager will even warned you not to mention about bounty in the main group if such is done you are automatically disqualified this is reason because they don't want to project owners to know they have not paid the hunters.

Now what good managers does it that;
They will escrow the funds, and if they noticed a silly play about the project they will pause it with immediate effects not to allow their community work.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on July 06, 2021, 02:14:43 AM

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One of the biggest problems is that many teams claim they would have legitimate reasons to stay anonymous. Since that might even be true in some cases, usually it is not but just for the sake of scamming people. It is just hard to differentiate one group from the other.

I have heard the same, but remember that Satoshi remained anon but did not sell a token to someone. Bounties exist for a fun-worthy project and they are selling a product so there lies a difference and the argument to bunk their argument.

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Hence it is a gamble, but sticking with reputable bounty managers helps a bit because you know that they do a good bit of due diligence on their own because they don't want to put their reputation on the line for a blatantly obvious scam.

It is worse than a gamble. You are being too generous to these scammers and by doing so you will end up losing money. At least in a fair gambling game you have a chance of winning. Here you are being sold shit tokens of no value in exchange of your valuable bitcoin which is going up everyday.

Managers themselves get scammed by these projects and it is not their fault that the project managed to fool them, embarrassing for them yes, but they are no liable for the losses. Also the same reason why you will rarely see reputed managers take up such projects.

Exactly! You know, if an anon team decides to run a PoW coin and announces it in advance without shadow mining it first that's fine, I don't have a problem with that unless they use super special mining hardware that most likely only they can have for some reason. Satoshi is a different topic. He may have anticipated that he could one day become a serious target for attackers of all kinds, really all kinds. The ICO grabbers today, come on, what reason should they have today to stay anonymous. History about ICO has shown that they are mostly scammers.

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How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

How can you anticipate that matter? then don'tJoin Bounty at all for sure you will never experience such cases.

because the more you participate is the more you giving consent those scammers to victimized you.

Bounty campaign would continue to exist because ICO projects are still continuing to exist which means marketing would be next in line.

Scam bounties and managers cant really be known because usually these shits would be looking legit and active while the project is on accumulation or fund raise but when everything is over then this is where true color pops out.

If hunters do continue to advertise these scams then it would continue to exist and this is why we should be careful on dealing on things. =

Yeah that's what I'm pointing mate , this wont stop until there are a willing victims , Imagine they ar continuing to participate even that they really find most of them as scam.
they are even a victim for many chances yet they are willing to join.

It would be understandable if newbies or completely new into this forum would commit out those mistakes but there are experienced ones who do still get engaged into bounty hunting despite the higher
chance of being scammed or not getting paid.

Dont expect for some protection because no one can help you out once the team decided not to pay up its hunters.You would be definitely be put up on a situation or scenario on where you do keep begging
to get paid but actually those coins doesnt have any value but in our mind we know the probability for those coins to become valuable and do make some nasty profits later on.

When you do bounty hunter then always consider this type of risk.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 10:43:46 AM

We all know we are in crypto. We join for our own risk. We search and try to find out the best and most potential project promoted by trusted managers. However some project turned into scam and some may not pay the participants due to underestimating the hunters promotion with low traffic.

From the past and recent issues with regards to scam projects and unpaid balance for hunters.

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

If I am not wrong, many of the trusted campaign managers stopped the bounty campaign management due to lot of scams and useless projects, still there are some projects are run by the managers only after they getting the tokens on their wallet of under escrow. So if someone joined random campaign managed by a complete newbie get scammed everyday so better find the campaigns only if the funds are escrowed no matter it is a token or coin.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 10:43:46 AM

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

How can you anticipate that matter? then don'tJoin Bounty at all for sure you will never experience such cases.

because the more you participate is the more you giving consent those scammers to victimized you.

Bounty campaign would continue to exist because ICO projects are still continuing to exist which means marketing would be next in line.

Scam bounties and managers cant really be known because usually these shits would be looking legit and active while the project is on accumulation or fund raise but when everything is over then this is where true color pops out.

If hunters do continue to advertise these scams then it would continue to exist and this is why we should be careful on dealing on things. =

Yeah that's what I'm pointing mate , this wont stop until there are a willing victims , Imagine they ar continuing to participate even that they really find most of them as scam.
they are even a victim for many chances yet they are willing to join.

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Quote from: Dump3er on July 05, 2021, 04:56:24 PM

One of the biggest problems is that many teams claim they would have legitimate reasons to stay anonymous. Since that might even be true in some cases, usually it is not but just for the sake of scamming people. It is just hard to differentiate one group from the other.

I have heard the same, but remember that Satoshi remained anon but did not sell a token to someone. Bounties exist for a fun-worthy project and they are selling a product so there lies a difference and the argument to bunk their argument.

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Hence it is a gamble, but sticking with reputable bounty managers helps a bit because you know that they do a good bit of due diligence on their own because they don't want to put their reputation on the line for a blatantly obvious scam.

It is worse than a gamble. You are being too generous to these scammers and by doing so you will end up losing money. At least in a fair gambling game you have a chance of winning. Here you are being sold shit tokens of no value in exchange of your valuable bitcoin which is going up everyday.

Managers themselves get scammed by these projects and it is not their fault that the project managed to fool them, embarrassing for them yes, but they are no liable for the losses. Also the same reason why you will rarely see reputed managers take up such projects.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 10:43:46 AM

We all know we are in crypto. We join for our own risk. We search and try to find out the best and most potential project promoted by trusted managers. However some project turned into scam and some may not pay the participants due to underestimating the hunters promotion with low traffic.

From the past and recent issues with regards to scam projects and unpaid balance for hunters.

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

Common thing that is happening on bounty hunting which majority of those projects are scams or those project who dont tend to pay out users despite of success.

Managers are just workers and shouldnt really took the blame unless if the manager is part of the team then thats the time they should really be sued on about the pay. As bounty hunter then you should really know on how

to do your assignment. Seek out the best possible legit project even though it cant really be determined on early phase but choosing the potential ones is still possible.

Stick with good bounty known managers of this forum and not just some newbie who are handling out the community members.I cant really just trust up those guys.

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That's why its been encourage to join on reputable campaign managers since mostly they already escrowed the amouny intended for bounty so its gives us little security while doing effort on the camp but don't expect that you be paid on your efforts since sometimes even if the camp pays still there are times that their distributed tokens doesn't get any value.

Out of the thousands of bounties that get posted here, very few end up as escrowed and when one does, there is a huge flock hunters jumping into it. Reputable bounty manager does not equal to an escrowed bounty tokens but of course most managers usually declare that before posting it.

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Thats why don't put all your hopes that you will paid but instead treat this as hobby and lucky if will be paid.

True that, most bounty hunters think of this as a job when it is defenitely not so. It is a hit and run/gamble as to which new altcoin will become big. Now bounty hunters cant complain of the same since nobody forced them to join and there was no clause to protect them on non-payment. Thats why I suggest every newbie to get to know this forum and how it works first and then gradually rank up to join a bitcoin payment campaign.

One of the biggest problems is that many teams claim they would have legitimate reasons to stay anonymous. Since that might even be true in some cases, usually it is not but just for the sake of scamming people. It is just hard to differentiate one group from the other. Hence it is a gamble, but sticking with reputable bounty managers helps a bit because you know that they do a good bit of due diligence on their own because they don't want to put their reputation on the line for a blatantly obvious scam.

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Basically there is no guarantee even though the funds will be escrowed by reputable BM though. The team can lock the token at the desired address with a smart contract. It is very necessary to consider managers who not only understand good management and marketing, but also understand technical things that the team may be prone to cover up.

But still prioritizing quality, a reputable manager will really fight for the hunters, and will even anticipate things that are detrimental to the hunters.

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Quote from: ultrloa on June 30, 2021, 07:59:10 PM

That's why its been encourage to join on reputable campaign managers since mostly they already escrowed the amouny intended for bounty so its gives us little security while doing effort on the camp but don't expect that you be paid on your efforts since sometimes even if the camp pays still there are times that their distributed tokens doesn't get any value.

Out of the thousands of bounties that get posted here, very few end up as escrowed and when one does, there is a huge flock hunters jumping into it. Reputable bounty manager does not equal to an escrowed bounty tokens but of course most managers usually declare that before posting it.

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Thats why don't put all your hopes that you will paid but instead treat this as hobby and lucky if will be paid.

True that, most bounty hunters think of this as a job when it is defenitely not so. It is a hit and run/gamble as to which new altcoin will become big. Now bounty hunters cant complain of the same since nobody forced them to join and there was no clause to protect them on non-payment. Thats why I suggest every newbie to get to know this forum and how it works first and then gradually rank up to join a bitcoin payment campaign.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 10:43:46 AM

We all know we are in crypto. We join for our own risk. We search and try to find out the best and most potential project promoted by trusted managers. However some project turned into scam and some may not pay the participants due to underestimating the hunters promotion with low traffic.

From the past and recent issues with regards to scam projects and unpaid balance for hunters.

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

Most of the bounties now here in the forum are non-escrows actually, where the risk is too high and the chances of rewards is very minimal.
Only few of them are trusted and this trusted people or BM are surely will send your rewards. Because, if ever the BM is don't have a higher rank here and they managed campaign they will give the rewards but mostly is differ from the allocation during the time when they are starting.

That's why its been encourage to join on reputable campaign managers since mostly they already escrowed the amouny intended for bounty so its gives us little security while doing effort on the camp but don't expect that you be paid on your efforts since sometimes even if the camp pays still there are times that their distributed tokens doesn't get any value. Thats why don't put all your hopes that you will paid but instead treat this as hobby and lucky if will be paid.

Even the reputable manager had been scammed as well and if the team won't send yet the bounties, all efforts are gone worthless. It's a scheme they do already when they promise to pay the bounty hunters after 3 months and then comes the time, they once again will promise after 3 months. They can't do anything about it.

Can't remember the project but I've also read it here in the forum, I'm sure any bounty hunter that's part of it will remember it if they read this comment.

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