Topic: cryptotipz scammed on Just-Dice - page 2. (Read 2957 times)

There are people on Just Dice who are willing to lend out ~7.7BTC without collateral and to top that off it was a gambling loan I don't think I have seen anyone even try to take out that large of a loan without collateral by anyone with any kind of reputation.

I would also think that those types of loans would be banned on JD as they would only cause problems (as evidenced by this thread), and there is probably not any kind of reputation system on JD.

The obvious solution to this would be to return any excess CLAMs that are not used to repay any loans he took out. Anything else would be scamming him, which is not a good thing to do, even if he is a scammer.

justice has been served, at least a little, which is very nice to see 

if you can't decide what to do with the leftover clams, what about some kind of promo/prize? the way I understand it, it was investor money KD won with his scam money, and those investors would surely agree to some additional traffic to get it back.

Very interesting how everything turned out, and I'm overjoyed to see that the funds were returned to Psy and V1rt alike. Regarding the remaining Clam I believe they should be split between the detectives You (Dooglus) and V1rt. Without v1rt this would have most likely never come to light at all and without your follow up it would have been at a stand still.  Great job v1rt and doog for taking action against people that try to scam.

I'm not a lawyer, but as a citizen and so-far so-fair member of the world, I do know that grand larceny is punishable by large fines and possible jail sentence. Cryptotipz has admittedly stolen 1400CLAM/11.19587BTC (at time of writing). That is not petty.

As a generally trusting and non-violent human, I'd like to see his coins returned to him and for him to be a productive member of the crypto community. He appears intelligent, so this is another example of a good mind wasted.

However, I feel if his coins are returned, it will red alert the rest of the scammers to an easy target. If stealing and getting caught carries a punishment of simply a "reset", then why would a scammer go anywhere else to try and steal?

Keep his remaining 800 balance. Find any balances he has on any other associated accounts.

If we have to be nice about it, let him decide what to do with it, but returning it to himself shouldn't be an option.

KingDice, you are better than this. Get your shit together and do positive in the community, or get out. In the real world, you'd go to jail. Consider how peaceful and kind most everyone has been to you even when it was a bit obvious that they shouldn't be. We are somewhat a family, don't stab us in the back.

Dooglus, thanks for proving every day (for the most part) why playing at just-dice.com is the safest place to play.

Alex, I don't know you, but thanks for your help as well. I will check your site out now due to your efforts in keeping the players safe.

-TigerTatas

He should never have won anything Dooglus. I would gift it out to the victims of the scam in all honesty. Hes a degenerate who will never stop, hes shown us that at least 5 times and I called him out for def being a future scammer about 2-3 weeks ago - oh look turns out I was right...

After scamming KingDice, the 'richie' scammer gained access to KD's password, due to KD posting it on IRC. I saw that KD had logged in from the same address as 'charles ray' and figured that meant that richie and charles were the same person. But in fact it meant that KD and charles were the same person.

Of course, maybe KD faked posting his password in IRC and is in fact richie too, and is responsible for all of richie's scams too. I don't know any more - that's just wild speculation. KD swears he didn't scam anyone except psygambler, but KD has shown him self over and over again to be dishonest and so that claim is not worth anything.

Edit:

richie ranting on QD's account:


KingDice talking to himself before faking the mistip:

I remember you mentioning that the 'charles ray' account was on the same IP as the bittrex-richie account.   Not too sure how that would tie into any of this, but there it is.

As I understand it, the 800 coins that were stolen from v1 were lost almost immediately (and may not even have been stolen by KingDice, although he said he was OK with me repaying v1 with his coins) and the 1400 stolen from psygambler were lost on bitdice already. The 3000 coins I froze were mostly new winnings made by the "BadyDice" account. It seems to me like KingDice had debts of 1400 (plus maybe 800) which have now been paid off. I understand the "he's a scammer, take all his coins as punishment" point of view, but don't agree with it.

Keep the coins as "raffle coins" to use for any upcoming giveaways that would happen.

but can you really say they are his? I see what you are saying about returning the others but the fact is if he did not steal those coins he would not have them. You could argue that he came clean and deserves to keep the winnings but I don't believe a thief gets to keep the things he has stolen even if he has plead guilty. My opinion however is hes getting off very easy hes not being prosecuted, but if you let him walk away with almost 2k usd earned from stolen money it would numb the sting of his actions surely.

Well, Dooglus described it in full there's not much I can add to this story.

I do like the tendency that we can stop scammers and I appreciate Dooglus's cooperation on this and his willingness to help. However it was more like I was helping Dooglus with it and he did all the hard work.

Regards,
Alex

But I have logs on my Skype talking to Kinddice about my losses during the desperation of gotten scammed! How i emptied my all btc saving to try to win it back. (stupid as it sounds) Blue know it too, talked to him during that time thru msg in chat

So the loss was all because of King, lost another 6 on Fortune jack, so emptied every btc i owned.

I'm not begging or anything, just think that would be the right thing to do!

If you do a crime, you pay the victim for the mess caused! That's how it's done in court!

But ok if you got another better solution. Because I'm still happy for you saving my ass with the 1400

It would be fun to give the left over coins to a bot to gamble with until they were gone. But they're not mine to do that with.

I've given v1 his 800 back, since KingDice said he would be OK with it even if I gave him 1000. So there's 827.68994335 left.

If I don't find evidence of any other scamming by KingDice I figure I give those back to him.

I hesitate to ask if anyone else was scammed by KingDice, because I worry it will bring forth a horde of people trying it on. But - well, were you?


I can see how that would work for you, but would it really be right? I don't see it.

You can claim that you only gambled because he took your coins, but that doesn't make it right to take back your losses from him.

I think the splitting part between me and V1 would be the right one, then we can tip the one we want to give some extra clams.

Personally I would give a chunk to v1 and psy and tip the rest as the winnings don't technically belong to him. You could argue that it should go back into the bankroll except he was gambling on two sites it would be hard to defend who gets what.

Suggestions for what to do with the other 800 CLAMs:

1. 14:29:32 (1148325) → (1) <@dooglus> If theres was 3000 clams looked on baby dice account, he should pay my other loss of 800 clams in the desperation on getting my scammed money back

1. On June 27th, Just-Dice player tasha borrowed 800 CLAMs from v1rtu0so and never paid them back. The 800 CLAMs were lost playing dice. v1 didn't go public about the scam, hoping that tasha would return and he could somehow get his coins back.

2. On July 3rd, Just-Dice player psygambler was approached by cryptotipz calling themselves KingDice and talked into lending him 1000 CLAMs to gamble with. KingDice claimed to be able to win, and said he would return the winnings.

KingDice managed to turn the 1000 CLAMs into 1400 CLAMs, and was trying to use the /tip command to return them but accidentally sent the coins to the wrong userid.

The CLAMs were immediately withdrawn from the site by the wrongful recipient, and so there was no way the tip could be reversed.

Much discussion followed with people arguing about whether it was a genuine mistake or not.

3. About a week ago, 'tasha' was seen on bitdice.me bragging about how she had stolen from v1rtu0so:



Shortly after that she lost heavily:



After talking with v1rtu0so and Alex (owner of bitdice.me) it turned out that the tasha on bitdice had the same IP address as KingDice at Just-Dice, and blockchain analysis show that she was playing with the same 1400 CLAMs that belonged to psygambler but had been 'accidentally' tipped to a third party by KingDice.

4. Yesterday, a new player arrived on Just-Dice, calling themselves BabyDice. BabyDice told v1rtu0so about how he had recently lost 1300 CLAMs at bitdice, giving details that only tasha@bitdice would know. Careful analysis of the JD logs showed me that this was KingDice. He won a bunch of CLAMs and I froze his account. I challenged him about his scamming. He claimed twice to have no connection to KingDice, but finally admitted that he was the same person. Then he denied having ever played at bitdice, that he had made up the story he told v1 based on things he had heard.

5. And now, BabyDice made this statement on Just-Dice:


http://privatepaste.com/96c3226416


So I've returned the 1400 CLAMs to psygambler, since that is undoubtedly the correct thing to do.

It is unclear to me what to do with the remaining 1600 CLAMs. KingDice has said to v1 "if Doog decides to give you a 1000 from me just because I was rude and played on it, I am fine with it" - so I figure I should return the 800 CLAMs v1 is out. That leaves 800 more CLAMs.

I need to check the logs and see if there's anyone else KingDice has defrauded.