Topic: Current situation, how investors/traders are enriching these three. - page 2. (Read 457 times)
March 01, 2019, 03:39:19 AM
OP, it is easy to point the blame to someone, or something else. What you should be doing is find a way to be good at making more Bitcoins. For plebs like us, I suggest working hard, earn fiat, pay your bills, and buy Bitcoin with what's left. HODL.
March 01, 2019, 01:34:40 AM
STO's will become the next meme, just like how ICO's have turned this whole space into a pile of rubbish.
This is why everything is hopeless, whatever it may become, from ICO to STO it will be just the same shit over and over. Just look at the current situation of coin offering, most are failed and some continue like forever and people who invest leave hanging.
Basically, we don't need anymore of new token to be created, we have seas of shitcoin and only few are worth holding. Don't bother to create more.
February 28, 2019, 06:19:17 PM
Investors have been milked over and over again by these three.
- ICO and Coin Ranking Websites
- Crypto Exchanges
- ICOs and existing project Teams.
1. ICOs and existing project teams.
2. Coin Ranking websites
3. Crypto Exchanges
4. Investor
The cycle continues...
Do you see how the investor is getting ripped off right, left and centre?
This is just an eye opener on the current state our cryptoworld
Cheers.
the points that you are mentioned in your topic was definitely important and useful because we need guidance about what to do next so some of these points where definitely very useful for me to get clear mind about what can I do next in this field with the investment that I made and it will also be trustable one. - ICO and Coin Ranking Websites
- Crypto Exchanges
- ICOs and existing project Teams.
1. ICOs and existing project teams.
- Hype up their projects through different ways so as to be recognised by investors, this is by getting listed on coinmarketcap and other ICO ranking websites such as ICObench. This is represented by arrow A
- In return, they provide coin ranking websites with their data such as coin details or even some fee to get listed. this is represented by arrow B
- This is mutually beneficial to both(project teams and coin ranking websites) as investors will search through this coin ranking sites before they invest thus increasing the website traffic for their ads. Listed Coins/ICOs, in turn, get exposure on these websites.
2. Coin Ranking websites
- Crypto Exchanges sometimes get listed in this ranking websites for a fee or in exchange for details such as trade volume, coin details etc represented by arrow F
- They gather daily trade volume from exchanges so as to rank them up, this is represented by arrow E
- Investors will checkout coin ranking websites such as coinmarketcap for exchange rankings in terms of trade volumes so as to decide which exchange to use thereby increasing the site's traffic
- Exchanges gain from exposure if they are listed on the ranking websites
3. Crypto Exchanges
- Charge ICOs and coins a fee to get listed as represented by arrow C, This gives more fluidity for the coin/token thus more users and traders of the token/coin.
- More coins listed in the Crypto exchange means more trading volume and popularity of the exchange as represented by arrow D, thus more traders the due to the popularity of the exchange.
- Crypto Exchanges make a kill in listing fees, Trading fees, Withdrawal fees etc
- ICO/Token/coin creators enjoy the popularity of their coins and thus can be able to dump their coins to the unsuspecting traders as time goes on
4. Investor
- Looks up a project/coin/token from coin ranking websites thus increasing their traffic and sometimes viewing ads displayed in those sites. Certain websites even go ahead to charge a fee to view premium ICOs that they claim will be very profitable as represented by arrow G
- Based on the data viewed, the investor ends up buying tokens or a coin, again, the investor spends money represented by arrow H
- In hope of a making profit, the investor deposits the coins to the exchange to trade them off, ends up paying trading fees and withdrawal fees
The cycle continues...
Do you see how the investor is getting ripped off right, left and centre?
This is just an eye opener on the current state our cryptoworld
Cheers.
February 28, 2019, 05:20:48 PM
Yes, when people are complaining about price, some smart investors are taking advantage of the technology itself and making money from it. We have seen a lot of people who have made millions from ICO, i myself can even testify about making a lot of money from some ICO which includes NEO and REGAL COIN. I make a purchase during presale of $50 and that amount of money got me up to $1000 profit when they hit the exchange.
February 28, 2019, 05:11:12 PM
Don't be surprised that some of them are the first set of people to dump their tokens ones it get listed,
Yes they can only be the first to dump because they know they don't have nice project, so as soon as people start having interest at the end of ico, they go dumping. They are just there to make business out of investors.
February 28, 2019, 04:41:39 PM
Of those you mentioned, the greatest scammers are some developers. Most of those guys don't give a damn of what happens to their coin after ICOs. Don't be surprised that some of them are the first set of people to dump their tokens ones it get listed, followed by some bounty hunters. This is more reason why we need maximum regulations of ICOs.
February 28, 2019, 03:44:08 PM
excellent points here but I wouldn't really call them "investors" because an investor usually has some minimal experience and some brain function that he uses to analyze and research the thing he is putting his money into. these people who keep investing in shitcoins and ICOs are more like a bunch of desperate people who want to make profit so bad but they have no idea how to do it. the result is of course disastrous. and the damage is not just to their own pocket but also they are damaging the whole market with them giving the scammers the boldness to continue doing their crap.
Call them novice gamblers!
It fits better the picture.
They are the ones throwing money around on the best-rated horse in each race, knowing that for certain most of the best will fail but they hope at the end of the day the winnings will be bigger than what they've lost.
And just as I am typing this, I realized most times they investment is indeed made of two steps, putting the bet and hope it will rise above the ICO prices, if it fails in the first months..it's doomed.
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The cycle continues...
The cycle doesn't continue because the ICOs are dead and the coin ranking websites deleted some shitcoin/ICO token listings.
Nope, it goes on, just the scams have new names, new teams, and new projects and enough funds to make the scam more attractive this time, finding more "investors", bribing more exchanges, paying more shills....
February 28, 2019, 08:34:37 AM
excellent points here but I wouldn't really call them "investors" because an investor usually has some minimal experience and some brain function that he uses to analyze and research the thing he is putting his money into. these people who keep investing in shitcoins and ICOs are more like a bunch of desperate people who want to make profit so bad but they have no idea how to do it. the result is of course disastrous. and the damage is not just to their own pocket but also they are damaging the whole market with them giving the scammers the boldness to continue doing their crap.
To be fair bitcoin really did look like a scam from a normal person's perspective. Some anonymous person keeps 1 million coins to himself while bitcoin is promoted as the new currency. Really looked like a pyramid scam from the outside and many big names still call it a scam.
Warren Buffet is one of the smartest investors and calls bitcoin complete shit so........
February 28, 2019, 08:31:51 AM
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The cycle continues...
The cycle doesn't continue because the ICOs are dead and the coin ranking websites deleted some shitcoin/ICO token listings.Some crypto exchanges are a part of the problem but nobody is forcing the crypto investors to use small,shaddy platforms.They do this at their own risk.Decentralized crypto exchanges are the future.
February 28, 2019, 08:10:12 AM
That's why STO is born and is being adjusted to become the most perfect mechanism. ICO really lost faith in me very much and I think this is really one of the worst.
I fully support STO when investors become important and have the right to vote on the business of the business.
That is what investors need and STO can also eliminate many of the fraudulent components.
I fully support STO when investors become important and have the right to vote on the business of the business.
That is what investors need and STO can also eliminate many of the fraudulent components.
STO's will become the next meme, just like how ICO's have turned this whole space into a pile of rubbish.
It doesn't matter what fancy name a new way or raising money has; when there is a lot of money to be made quick, you'll see the same con artists pollute that whole ecosystem. In the end, it all comes down to how people are simply begging for scams due to their promises. We have enough history to figure out that things don't improve, it's just the name that changes.
February 28, 2019, 07:07:09 AM
excellent points here but I wouldn't really call them "investors" because an investor usually has some minimal experience and some brain function that he uses to analyze and research the thing he is putting his money into. these people who keep investing in shitcoins and ICOs are more like a bunch of desperate people who want to make profit so bad but they have no idea how to do it. the result is of course disastrous. and the damage is not just to their own pocket but also they are damaging the whole market with them giving the scammers the boldness to continue doing their crap.
Why cant we just called them as desperate zero-knowledge investors? 
With that diagram I do really completely get those points which are actuallyreal-life scenarios on where these 3 things are really milking out investors in between.What can we do? Theres nothing we can do yet we don't have any options
but to use them.
February 28, 2019, 06:45:34 AM
That's why STO is born and is being adjusted to become the most perfect mechanism. ICO really lost faith in me very much and I think this is really one of the worst.
I fully support STO when investors become important and have the right to vote on the business of the business.
That is what investors need and STO can also eliminate many of the fraudulent components.
I fully support STO when investors become important and have the right to vote on the business of the business.
That is what investors need and STO can also eliminate many of the fraudulent components.
February 28, 2019, 06:38:27 AM
what term should we use to call them?most of them are speculators. wanted quick profits, don't care about the project at all. never read WP, just trying to buy which one has a lot of hype so they can sold and made easy profits as early as possible. a lot of project are still being sold without any actual product atm, what a joke, if only there are more people who use their brain before they throw money around.
February 28, 2019, 06:01:02 AM
excellent points here but I wouldn't really call them "investors" because an investor usually has some minimal experience and some brain function that he uses to analyze and research the thing he is putting his money into. these people who keep investing in shitcoins and ICOs are more like a bunch of desperate people who want to make profit so bad but they have no idea how to do it. the result is of course disastrous. and the damage is not just to their own pocket but also they are damaging the whole market with them giving the scammers the boldness to continue doing their crap.
what term should we use to call them?Anyway, you are right, as more money keeps flowing to those three, market manipulation becomes much easier by them.
For example, am very sure some exchanges can now do wash trading to create more fake trade volumes just because they have now gathered enormous amounts of money.
As for shitcoins, imagine someone being a CEO of 3 different ICOs and clueless people still continue contributing their money into them.
I remember buying loads of shitcoin that has gone down the drain with no active social channels. Of course I didn't realize it was out of market then... My bad 
Sorry, but I think it's because you had joined during the time when there was a lot of hype. had you joined during the bear market, scam is easy to identify right now.So many "projects" with no working product have been exposed and motive to develop have been exposed during this period of time.
February 28, 2019, 05:57:38 AM
I think that the reason that this circle of sham and scammers keep growing is because new people who are inexperienced will keep patronizing in wrong places. I wonder who hasn't made a mistake in this business. I remember buying loads of shitcoin that has gone down the drain with no active social channels. Of course I didn't realize it was out of market then... My bad
February 28, 2019, 05:32:14 AM
excellent points here but I wouldn't really call them "investors" because an investor usually has some minimal experience and some brain function that he uses to analyze and research the thing he is putting his money into. these people who keep investing in shitcoins and ICOs are more like a bunch of desperate people who want to make profit so bad but they have no idea how to do it. the result is of course disastrous. and the damage is not just to their own pocket but also they are damaging the whole market with them giving the scammers the boldness to continue doing their crap.
February 28, 2019, 05:20:30 AM
Investors have been milked over and over again by these three.
- ICO and Coin Ranking Websites
- Crypto Exchanges
- ICOs and existing project Teams.
1. ICOs and existing project teams.
2. Coin Ranking websites
3. Crypto Exchanges
4. Investor
The cycle continues...
Do you see how the investor is getting ripped off right, left and centre?
This is just an eye opener on the current state our cryptoworld
Cheers.
- ICO and Coin Ranking Websites
- Crypto Exchanges
- ICOs and existing project Teams.
1. ICOs and existing project teams.
- Hype up their projects through different ways so as to be recognised by investors, this is by getting listed on coinmarketcap and other ICO ranking websites such as ICObench. This is represented by arrow A
- In return, they provide coin ranking websites with their data such as coin details or even some fee to get listed. this is represented by arrow B
- This is mutually beneficial to both(project teams and coin ranking websites) as investors will search through this coin ranking sites before they invest thus increasing the website traffic for their ads. Listed Coins/ICOs, in turn, get exposure on these websites.
2. Coin Ranking websites
- Crypto Exchanges sometimes get listed in this ranking websites for a fee or in exchange for details such as trade volume, coin details etc represented by arrow F
- They gather daily trade volume from exchanges so as to rank them up, this is represented by arrow E
- Investors will checkout coin ranking websites such as coinmarketcap for exchange rankings in terms of trade volumes so as to decide which exchange to use thereby increasing the site's traffic
- Exchanges gain from exposure if they are listed on the ranking websites
3. Crypto Exchanges
- Charge ICOs and coins a fee to get listed as represented by arrow C, This gives more fluidity for the coin/token thus more users and traders of the token/coin.
- More coins listed in the Crypto exchange means more trading volume and popularity of the exchange as represented by arrow D, thus more traders the due to the popularity of the exchange.
- Crypto Exchanges make a kill in listing fees, Trading fees, Withdrawal fees etc
- ICO/Token/coin creators enjoy the popularity of their coins and thus can be able to dump their coins to the unsuspecting traders as time goes on
4. Investor
- Looks up a project/coin/token from coin ranking websites thus increasing their traffic and sometimes viewing ads displayed in those sites. Certain websites even go ahead to charge a fee to view premium ICOs that they claim will be very profitable as represented by arrow G
- Based on the data viewed, the investor ends up buying tokens or a coin, again, the investor spends money represented by arrow H
- In hope of a making profit, the investor deposits the coins to the exchange to trade them off, ends up paying trading fees and withdrawal fees
The cycle continues...
Do you see how the investor is getting ripped off right, left and centre?
This is just an eye opener on the current state our cryptoworld
Cheers.
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