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legendary
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Hello.

If I'm posting everyday in Altcoins ANN, from situation to situation it can be small post or bigger, sometimes even small post is useful, can I join campaign and not avoid of be banned?

Sure, lol Smiley

Only constructive posts will be counted though.
hero member
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Hello.

If I'm posting everyday in Altcoins ANN, from situation to situation it can be small post or bigger, sometimes even small post is useful, can I join campaign and not avoid of be banned?
legendary
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Updating: Escrow address has been refilled to 8BTC for week 2.

Escrow address : https://blockchain.info/address/1FZaRDqBtVD5K5c77R39Gnn4ve5CZza1Jm

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legendary
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All participants wearing our signature (except those who didn't make any posts, or absolutely ridiculous posts) have been enrolled.
No posts will be skipped. Smiley


Still waiting for the payment but Im Re-enrolling for next week

Name: Shulio
Position: Full Member
Bitcoin Address: 19dsRr3g3qg3VPjkfBvjwD8NTuGU6S8Ud1
Posts made: 235 with this
Link to Stat: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shulio-318379

No re-enrollment necessary. All posts will be counted (made before this enrollment post but not counted for the previous week, if any) as usual. Cheesy
legendary
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Thanks for not just ignoring the spammers. If all campaign managers cared as much spam wouldn't be such a big issue as it is now.

Thank you Cheesy

We will try to keep on improving our methods. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1652
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Thanks for not just ignoring the spammers. If all campaign managers cared as much spam wouldn't be such a big issue as it is now.
legendary
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Enrolling new and existing users...
legendary
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Repeating again : We do not consider one-liners to be non-constructive.
There seems to be a misconsumption here. We ignored posts will no or little effort and made just for the campaign.


Im not against it. I only say that oneliners arent automatically bad posts. In fact my post was very good since after i first thought i know the answer already, i had to search and calculate later, to check things out. It took me some time and it was the perfekt answer. In fact i think short answers often can be the better answers. But even when you would say that short answers automatically are spam... thats no solution at all. In my case... i only would need to add a sentence or two. Wouldnt be a problem. The same goes for spammers. Simply write more and youre done. So treating oneliners as spam might be a fast solution but i think its a rule that can be gamed. Which kills the purpose. And helpful oneliners (i got a thank you for it:)) are treated as spam.

Saying that... if its checked manually anyway then it might be better to not got the oneliner-are-spam-route. It would be pretty easy anyway to identify spammer.

Just clarifying again. All your posts are considered constructive. Only I had to exclude posts in this thread and German off-topic (thought we counted some of that too). Wink



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as per your rules i made the appropriate 100 posts. went over a couple posts actually because i did post 1 time in games and rounds section and i agree that a couple were a little spammy, but to only get paid for 40 posts is ridiculous. i seriously urge anyone looking to join this campaign to pass it up. obviously theres a hidden agenda here and the manager is looking to make new rules weekly to save money for some reason. theres no way 60 posts of mine should be considered spammy. because i didnt write a paragraph per post?Huh?

im leaving this campaign unless my payment is made correct. there is no way only 40 posts should be counted

Sorry, bro. Couldn't actually say all 100 were constructive. I felt like you were finding a reason to post.

Good luck anyway Smiley




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Im not against it. I only say that oneliners arent automatically bad posts. In fact my post was very good since after i first thought i know the answer already, i had to search and calculate later, to check things out. It took me some time and it was the perfekt answer. In fact i think short answers often can be the better answers.

I agree the length of a post is not the best indicator for spam. Many short answers are good and helpful for someone else.

But even when you would say that short answers automatically are spam... thats no solution at all. In my case... i only would need to add a sentence or two. Wouldnt be a problem. The same goes for spammers. Simply write more and youre done. So treating oneliners as spam might be a fast solution but i think its a rule that can be gamed. Which kills the purpose. And helpful oneliners (i got a thank you for it:)) are treated as spam.

Saying that... if its checked manually anyway then it might be better to not got the oneliner-are-spam-route. It would be pretty easy anyway to identify spammer.

A common spammer tactic here is to rephrase an already existing good answer. This is very hard to catch unless you read the whole thread and even then you will have complaints about it. I suspect that the two managers did skim through the post history which gives an overall impression about the posts someone makes. It would probably better to look more deeply into every thread for every post, but that is very time consuming with the given time and the amount of posts to check. They might also do some more in depth checks randomly.

I see two (or three) solutions here.
#1 The simple and sadly common one -> dont care.
#2 The way this campaign is run, which is similar to the way the board is run -> general rules, without beeing too specific to give the managers room to decide on a case by case basis.
#3 The way some here are apparently asking for -> Very distinct set of rules

I dont like #3, because this can easily be gamed. One liners are not allowed? Ok, just add a line break in the middle of the sentence or another sentence that basically says the same, rephrase an existing answer etc. There are many ways around rules to are to specific.

I like #2, because it keeps you guessing if this might be considered spam from to time to and I think its important to think a second or two before clicking "post". The focus should always be the post. If you can help someone with a single line you will help someone with a single line. If you focus on your post count this vague rule of no spam will always be on your mind.

I think #1 is a disgrace, because it will eventually lead to a situation where the admins have to handle the spam. Trust me no one here wants that. Staff, Mods and Admins have to endure complaints about how paid signatures turned this board into a useless pile of shit by old and respected members. Some of the most knowledgable members here will ignore you just because you sell your signature. If this situation is just ignored like on another campaign people will not complain about their manager, but they will complain to the mods and admins. Lately the Meta section is full of these posts and its usually only the tip of the iceberg as the majority just takes ban. This is more bullshit mods and admins have to deal with and eventually no one gets paid. Signatures will just be disabled.

I agree with that too. We don't ignore posts just because it is just one-line.
But if we see the entire page like that, we will ignore a few.

Thanks for posting this. Cheesy
 I will read everything again when I get the time. I got to enroll the next set of users now. Wink




Same here, I went from 814 to 836, which should be 22. I would like to know why I only got paid for 14.

Your English is good. Wink
We just ignored some irrevalent posts and posts like https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10643749 and https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10645497 were counted as half post each.

We will improve on our methods slowly. Wink


I see that you cut some of my posts too (7 to be exact) What was wrong with it? I am just asking, because I counted my posts and I was sure to not take into consideration any posts your campaign is not paying for (this thread, giveaway&ponzi thread, I do not post in off top... etc). Anyway, is the number of your final posts in your DaDice spreadsheet the number from which the posts will be counted and added to my next week's posts? And everything posted from now on will be counted, right? So, do I need to enroll myself or wait for automatic enroll? Or maybe my posts are not good enough for this sophisticated and high class campaign?. Thanks in advance.

PS.  I think that it is slight problem when you are just taking in consideration length of a post by judging whenever it is legit or not. Some posts may be truly brilliant while being short.

93 posts counted. Too many posts can't check atm. I saw a post in games and rounds and may be that was ignored? It tends to be stricter as the post count goes up. Wink



Thank you Cheesy
legendary
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Ok, I am assuming that the counted has finished, Now may I know why does my account shows only 45 posts ?

Most of your posts are one-liners (though you quote the message) esp. in pages 2,3,4 of Post history.

Thank you Smiley

Well, I don't forcefully put in more words only for the campaign. No where on the campaign rules it says I can't post one liners.
I can purposely add spaces between the post and make it 2 liners, but I am not doing that. There is no reason to cut posts due to that.
Here is your Rules on the op:

http://i.imgur.com/2RTj2Vx.png?1

No where on the rules you say one line posts are not allowed. It says constructive, and all of my posts are constructive. You have cut me down from 86 posts to 45 posts based on that one reason.



Who said we are ignoring all one-liners? We just check whether some effort has been put into it. If not we don't count it as constructive. And if most posts are one liners, you know what impression someone will get.



The spreadsheet clearly specifies the period as Tuesday. and payout on Wednesday. Why wait till the last day?

P.S. Don't make posts for signature campaigns lol. Wink

If you haven't said a day after my enrollment post that we can't be sure if we are in, I would've had a full week to complete my posts.
Oh, and thanks for advice, I'll keep that in mind.

Edit: And now you supposedly can't write posts that fit into a single line  Shocked In defense of Calci I have to say that although his posts fit into a single line, most of them consist of 2 full sentences. I dare you OP to prove that you can't fit a constructive post in a single line. This is starting to get ridiculous. If you have a problem with money and can't pay us all just be honest and don't look for stupid excuses.

You are wrong, lol. We have strong finances, but your posts should be worth it. Check some participants from other campaigns like Bit-x, or check Quickseller's or arallmuus or me or our co-manager.
Posts shouldn't be made for the sake of getting paid. Be an active member of bitcointalk community and you will be rewarded. Smiley

We check the effort put in and not the number of lines. If you put in 3 short sentences like:
Good site.
Way to go
Good luck

It won't be counted. Good campaigns don't count posts like that. Even if you post one meaningful sentence that will help the readers in the topic it will be counted.


Don't worry if some of your posts are ignored. We kind of use a formula to determine the number of posts. We won't be able to classify all posts as constructive or otherwise, since some will be on the borderline. Besides, different people have different views.



Are the posts counted with a bot? Looks like he automatically not counts posts with too few lines then. Actually i had to think quite some time to write that post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10724569 and i think it cant get more constructive than it is. No, i dont complain because of one posts payment. Only wondering. When its really done with a bot then that means helpful posts might not be counted and not good ones can be cheated when the bot only counts words or signs of a post. Though it looked like at least a short look at the last posts page of each member was done manually.

Edit: By the way... on first tab in google sheet i still have a wrong id in the first link.

Actually that post was counted. You made a few posts - around 15 or so - after wearing the signature. Posts in this thread were excluded. Deutch off-topic is not counted too. However, some of those posts were counted since posts were of good quality. Wink

Yeah, sure we will fix that.



sed
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In contrast to the posts above me, I'd like to join this campaign for next week:

Username: sed
Starting post count: 835
Link to profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile
BTC address: 18z6fGQBEKwohaK66rtcnAKi817bFbwkWU

Looking forward to an approval message (or finding myself in the spreadsheet).  Thanks a lot!
legendary
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wokee, payment received
i think the posts all i made will calculated to get paid for next week ..
bcause i just started posting about 5 days since i joined
but thanks Smiley
hero member
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payment received. thanks Smiley
and now i want to leave this camapign. sorry for this
hope we can work again in the future
legendary
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Payment received. Thanks!
I would now like to resign from this campaign.
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Hi I would like to inform you that I will no longer be participating in this campaign. Thank you.
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Im not against it. I only say that oneliners arent automatically bad posts. In fact my post was very good since after i first thought i know the answer already, i had to search and calculate later, to check things out. It took me some time and it was the perfekt answer. In fact i think short answers often can be the better answers.

I agree the length of a post is not the best indicator for spam. Many short answers are good and helpful for someone else.

But even when you would say that short answers automatically are spam... thats no solution at all. In my case... i only would need to add a sentence or two. Wouldnt be a problem. The same goes for spammers. Simply write more and youre done. So treating oneliners as spam might be a fast solution but i think its a rule that can be gamed. Which kills the purpose. And helpful oneliners (i got a thank you for it:)) are treated as spam.

Saying that... if its checked manually anyway then it might be better to not got the oneliner-are-spam-route. It would be pretty easy anyway to identify spammer.

A common spammer tactic here is to rephrase an already existing good answer. This is very hard to catch unless you read the whole thread and even then you will have complaints about it. I suspect that the two managers did skim through the post history which gives an overall impression about the posts someone makes. It would probably better to look more deeply into every thread for every post, but that is very time consuming with the given time and the amount of posts to check. They might also do some more in depth checks randomly.

I see two (or three) solutions here.
#1 The simple and sadly common one -> dont care.
#2 The way this campaign is run, which is similar to the way the board is run -> general rules, without beeing too specific to give the managers room to decide on a case by case basis.
#3 The way some here are apparently asking for -> Very distinct set of rules

I dont like #3, because this can easily be gamed. One liners are not allowed? Ok, just add a line break in the middle of the sentence or another sentence that basically says the same, rephrase an existing answer etc. There are many ways around rules to are to specific.

I like #2, because it keeps you guessing if this might be considered spam from to time to and I think its important to think a second or two before clicking "post". The focus should always be the post. If you can help someone with a single line you will help someone with a single line. If you focus on your post count this vague rule of no spam will always be on your mind.

I think #1 is a disgrace, because it will eventually lead to a situation where the admins have to handle the spam. Trust me no one here wants that. Staff, Mods and Admins have to endure complaints about how paid signatures turned this board into a useless pile of shit by old and respected members. Some of the most knowledgable members here will ignore you just because you sell your signature. If this situation is just ignored like on another campaign people will not complain about their manager, but they will complain to the mods and admins. Lately the Meta section is full of these posts and its usually only the tip of the iceberg as the majority just takes ban. This is more bullshit mods and admins have to deal with and eventually no one gets paid. Signatures will just be disabled.
legendary
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Same here, I went from 814 to 836, which should be 22. I would like to know why I only got paid for 14.
legendary
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Must be made with the appropriate signature.
Must be constructive to the topic.
Posts in child boards of Gambling section - Games and Rounds, Investor-based games will not count. But, posting in the gambling section is preferable.
Non-English posts will not count.
Posts in this thread does not count.
Posts in the off-topic board do not count.



as per your rules i made the appropriate 100 posts. went over a couple posts actually because i did post 1 time in games and rounds section and i agree that a couple were a little spammy, but to only get paid for 40 posts is ridiculous. i seriously urge anyone looking to join this campaign to pass it up. obviously theres a hidden agenda here and the manager is looking to make new rules weekly to save money for some reason. theres no way 60 posts of mine should be considered spammy. because i didnt write a paragraph per post?Huh?

im leaving this campaign unless my payment is made correct. there is no way only 40 posts should be counted
legendary
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Are the posts counted with a bot? Looks like he automatically not counts posts with too few lines then. Actually i had to think quite some time to write that post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10724569 and i think it cant get more constructive than it is. No, i dont complain because of one posts payment. Only wondering. When its really done with a bot then that means helpful posts might not be counted and not good ones can be cheated when the bot only counts words or signs of a post. Though it looked like at least a short look at the last posts page of each member was done manually.

Edit: By the way... on first tab in google sheet i still have a wrong id in the first link.

The reason might also be that it was in german. I know the important part was math, but thats also "non-english".

I think its fine if we dont get paid for one-liners. Everyone posts one from time to time and it should not be a problem unless the majority of your posts are.

Edit: Oh and no, they counted "by hand". I think thats why two people do it.

Edit2: I also think these strict anti-spam rules are important to keep signature campaigns allowed. You (not you personally SebastianJu) should be happy that you get no payment or a little less, because the alternative is a ban and possibly a ban of signature campaigns in general. Dont let the greedy asscramps ruin it for the rest.

Im not against it. I only say that oneliners arent automatically bad posts. In fact my post was very good since after i first thought i know the answer already, i had to search and calculate later, to check things out. It took me some time and it was the perfekt answer. In fact i think short answers often can be the better answers. But even when you would say that short answers automatically are spam... thats no solution at all. In my case... i only would need to add a sentence or two. Wouldnt be a problem. The same goes for spammers. Simply write more and youre done. So treating oneliners as spam might be a fast solution but i think its a rule that can be gamed. Which kills the purpose. And helpful oneliners (i got a thank you for it:)) are treated as spam.

Saying that... if its checked manually anyway then it might be better to not got the oneliner-are-spam-route. It would be pretty easy anyway to identify spammer.
sr. member
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Ok, I am assuming that the counted has finished, Now may I know why does my account shows only 45 posts ?

calci, according to https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php you're now banned,

Code:
Autoban user: N/A in topic #0 by member #377979

Please reply here if you're not.
sed
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Sent payment details to devthedev.

All payments for the week of March 3rd have been released.
https://blockchain.info/tx/c8af76a81579eaf049219459ba21720446d96a772e2caf770652f8320121edd3

Great to see!  I'll send a signup message later this evening once my bitmixer period ends!
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