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Quote from: mfaspk on May 20, 2015, 05:01:39 PM

And we have explained why we don't do this. As long as nobody is complaining here that withdrawals requests are not honored or an investor complaining that he requested his cold wallet and we don't comply - then I would agree with your concerns.

But we do process withdrawals all the time and we have a skype group where we are in personal contact with all our investors.

This thread has become a witch-hunt and by any means, we are not willing to take part in it. We have overtaken most other dice sites by rolls in less than 3 month, our members base is growing daily and so are the wagered amounts. But according to you guys all we do is wrong. Well we can leave 'Troll Central' as well, as mentioned earlier - and believe me, we would still go on on the fast lane of the road.

Well.. I've been out of it for a while.. But it's getting worser and worser.

You process withdrawals only because its dust, it doesn't say anything at all. It's like saying we have a site.

What you've overtaken? Number of free rolls from faucet? You wagered amount per month is what? Close to 50BTC max? If you remove faucet there will be no play at all. You have huge expenses. By your own words its 4BTC per week only for forum needs. Which makes it to 16BTC monthy. What's your server expenses? You have developer who doesnt work for free. And you have faucet. Which drains how much? 5BTC monthly at least? Let's round it to the lowest and make it 25BTC monthly.

You need to wager at least 2500 BTC monthly. If you ARE lucky to get 1% in case you have all the bankroll, which you don't. However in the last three month you have wagered only 4200BTC from which 50% was wagered by your own developer. So here is the question where is the money, honey?

I see here two ways. First, you use investors money, play against your own bankroll as no-one can see what's your real profit. Secondly, you inject _virtual_ money to lower real investors cut, which is good for you if people loose. But what will happen when someone would win?

You have stats.dadice.com which works with real data, how can you explain this: http://prntscr.com/77ijnc

You can still go numb and say that "we do our own business and we don't give a damn about BCT users". But you can. Deal with it.

Regards,
Alex.

Alex, If may I ask

Your site is announced (or upgraded to V3 as post title suggests) in 20th Feburary 2014. (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitdiceme-upgraded-to-v3-move-your-stats-476998) Stunna's post concerning your site as well is posted on 23rd July 2014. (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7993698). Your cold storage address is from 25th August 2014... It took you 6 MONTHS to issue cold storage address publically???

V3 was like two month ago

BitDice started to work in Feb\March 2014 don't remember exactly. ANd for the first 4-5 month it was only with my own bankroll. After I've implemented investments I've been asked to publish cold wallet, which I did.

yep, I pretty much remembered that AK was responsible for donating like around 600-700btc for you bwahahaha

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Quote from: mfaspk on May 20, 2015, 04:47:03 PM

And we have explained why we don't do this. As long as nobody is complaining here that withdrawals requests are not honored or an investor complaining that he requested his cold wallet and we don't comply - then I would agree with your concerns.

But we do process withdrawals all the time and we have a skype group where we are in personal contact with all our investors.

This thread has become a witch-hunt and by any means, we are not willing to take part in it. We have overtaken most other dice sites by rolls in less than 3 month, our members base is growing daily and so are the wagered amounts. But according to you guys all we do is wrong. Well we can leave 'Troll Central' as well, as mentioned earlier - and believe me, we would still go on on the fast lane of the road.

Well.. I've been out of it for a while.. But it's getting worser and worser.

You process withdrawals only because its dust, it doesn't say anything at all. It's like saying we have a site.

What you've overtaken? Number of free rolls from faucet? You wagered amount per month is what? Close to 50BTC max? If you remove faucet there will be no play at all. You have huge expenses. By your own words its 4BTC per week only for forum needs. Which makes it to 16BTC monthy. What's your server expenses? You have developer who doesnt work for free. And you have faucet. Which drains how much? 5BTC monthly at least? Let's round it to the lowest and make it 25BTC monthly.

You need to wager at least 2500 BTC monthly. If you ARE lucky to get 1% in case you have all the bankroll, which you don't. However in the last three month you have wagered only 4200BTC from which 50% was wagered by your own developer. So here is the question where is the money, honey?

I see here two ways. First, you use investors money, play against your own bankroll as no-one can see what's your real profit. Secondly, you inject _virtual_ money to lower real investors cut, which is good for you if people loose. But what will happen when someone would win?

You have stats.dadice.com which works with real data, how can you explain this: http://prntscr.com/77ijnc

You can still go numb and say that "we do our own business and we don't give a damn about BCT users". But you can. Deal with it.

Regards,
Alex.

Alex, If may I ask

Your site is announced (or upgraded to V3 as post title suggests) in 20th Feburary 2014. (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitdiceme-upgraded-to-v3-move-your-stats-476998) Stunna's post concerning your site as well is posted on 23rd July 2014. (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7993698). Your cold storage address is from 25th August 2014... It took you 6 MONTHS to issue cold storage address publically???

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!! It took you 6 months to issue a publically signed cold storage address. (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8529697) and You are here criticizing a new Dice Site which isn't even 3 months old yet.

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Nice post Alex, it goes to show why just paying out withdrawals isn't enough. For a gambling site to be profitable, it needs to do a LOT of volume. As NLNico says, proof of solvency is a very important cornerstone in the bitcoin community.

108 BTC in less then 3 months (from start) is dust???

It's not as much as you'd imagine, people tend to be pretty very flighty with their money (Constantly depositing and withdrawing). Normally the first thing a new user does after winning money is immediately withdraw it, to make it "real". Then seeing that the site actually processes withdrawals, they put it back. Then play a bit more, and remove the change. For instance in bustabit, historically for every bitcoin of profit we've made, we've processed 14 BTC in withdrawals, and tend to do about 100 BTC a week in withdrawals

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No I dont escrow anymore.

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You have stats.dadice.com which works with real data, how can you explain this: http://prntscr.com/77ijnc
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The stats are broken. The counter only goes up, thus if you invest 10 times 1 BTC it will show 10 BTC invested even though you never had that much BTC in the first place.

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Quote from: tspacepilot on May 20, 2015, 02:14:44 PM

Well.. I've been out of it for a while.. But it's getting worser and worser.

You process withdrawals only because its dust, it doesn't say anything at all. It's like saying we have a site.

108 BTC in less then 3 months (from start) is dust??? And as admin has said they don't pay for signatures and other marketing from this account

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Quote from: Quickseller on May 20, 2015, 11:58:48 AM

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@Quickseller, the level of obnoxious irony of your new flame-attack against dadice is astounding. You accuse others of trolling, but here you are posting again and again in the thread of a reputable dice site (one you happily advertized for yourself), trying to say that they are untrustworthy because the do business with someone you have decided is a scammer. Jesus, man, the fact that you actually have to have evidence for these kinds of accusations is probably why you were removed from default trust in the first place. Now that you've been removed you're going to come here and start shaking your fist in the air? All the while posting with a paid sig-ad and complaining that someone else posted negatively about you with a paid-sig-ad? Despite your behavior here, I sorta doubt that we're gonna see dadice or nhndc go into the bit-x thread and start shouting about "working with flame-troll QS is causing unreliability!"

We all know what happened with you. You showed promise as an upstanding member of the community, you were good at reading through blockchain evidence and you spent your life on the forum looking for shady posts from newbies and calling them out. The problem is that you got caught up in your own importance and hubris has brought you down. It's not an uncommon human story (see Greek mythology 101). Badbear promoted you to default trust, but you couldn't take it when someone called you out for your hot temper and irrascibility. So you started using your default trust abilities to ding everyone and anyone who showed you anything but ass-kissing. You got away with it for a while but eventually you alienated yourself and got yourself removed from power. The question now is how far are you gonna go with this scorched-earth mentality? Even now, if you gave up on the insanity, realized that you can be wrong sometimes, and went back to attempting to provide something positive to the community you might avoid going down completely in flames. I think that's the path you should take, but then again, you won't hear anything from me because you've decided I am the evil you tread under your feet or whatever.

+1 tspacepilot...

I just want to add my two cent worth of thoughts here...

1. Someone mentioned DaDice hot wallet earlier (https://blockchain.info/address/1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu) and its clear Da Dice has paid 108+ BTC, Which is a very reasonable amount for a new dice site.

2. Da Dice as far as I have seen has been honouring all withdrawal requests. I have seen users been paid up to 18 BTC per request here.

3. The only person who should be demanding a cold storage address is the one who is investor of Da Dice himself. No other person, 3rd party casino owner has any right to tell Da Dice how to run there business. You cannot compel Da Dice to do something just because you have done it or somebody else would have done it.

4. Da Dice doesn't promote/spread/chant "Invest Here!!!" slogans. Da Dice (as its well known) started with Bankroll of 500 BTC, If over 108+ BTC have been paid out, and Bank roll is nearly double right now it is a VERY HEALTHY sign from Da Dice.

5. Da Dice doesn't force its users to invest. Investors are free to do their own due diligence proir to making any sort of decision, anyone including dean and stunna have no right to do this for others. Making an investment or not on Da Dice is solely on any individual's own determination. Da Dice doesn't force its users to invest nor any sort of investment is required to benefit from Da Dice.

6. Sharing your "concerns" here 1 time is reasonable, doing it again and again is SPAMMING and THREAD HIJACKING.

7. Last but not least, let us also agree to the fact that no other dice site would be threatned right now if they also didn't agree to fact that Da Dice is gaining popularity very fast and is (for fact) way superior then all other current ones in industry.

Keep it Simple!

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I may write code in exchange for bitcoins.

Quote from: Quickseller on May 20, 2015, 11:58:48 AM

Quote from: ndnh on May 20, 2015, 11:37:49 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 20, 2015, 11:18:09 AM

Quote from: dadice on May 20, 2015, 10:08:46 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 20, 2015, 10:04:20 AM

Plus they are having a scammer represent them and paying a scammer to advertise for them. This only strengthens concerns that DaDice is in fact a scam. Why else would they hire a scammer to advertise for them if they were not planning on scamming themselves?

Sorry mate, if you don't mind can you shed some light on what this is all about - since I have no idea what you are talking about.

Thanks!

Scammer's profile link - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tspacepilot-138744
They are being allowed to participate in your signature campaign even though he received negative trust and is a scammer.
Refrence thread1 shows where the scammer had scammed. Refrence post1 shows how it is impossible for the scammer to make the conclusion that he did not in fact scam. Refrence thread2 is where the scammer attempted to bully me into removing the negative rating. Additionally he has been trolling me for well over a month now because of the negative rating that I left him.

As long as he is a paid representative/advertiser of your site I would personally consider your site to be untrustworthy.

We have already investigated into it. And I don't really think he should be removed from the campaign because of that singular issue you have mentioned.

The trust is not valid as per the current rules. And I don't think I am not the only one (nor dadice or other representatives/moderators of Da Dice) that say he shouldn't be allowed to participate in the campaign.

Dunno what that has to do with you trusting the site Huh

Anyway, lol, not feeling like arguing here..

Edit: I get the impression that you are taking your personal opinion to such extent Huh

At this point he is literally getting paid by DaDice to troll me consistently. This is absolutely unacceptable regardless of if he is a scammer. It is not my fault that I found out that he scammed and there is no reason why I should be subject to such trolling. Every time that a trolling post is made, it is paid for by DaDice, and every time someone reads it, everyone will see a DaDice advertisement under it.

All scammers will receive negative trust after one incident of scamming and most scammers can only scam once because once they do they receive a trade with extreme caution tag.

If DaDice is willing to pay for someone to troll someone then I can only imagine what other unethical things they would be willing to do.

@Quickseller, the level of obnoxious irony of your new flame-attack against dadice is astounding. You accuse others of trolling, but here you are posting again and again in the thread of a reputable dice site (one you happily advertized for yourself), trying to say that they are untrustworthy because the do business with someone you have decided is a scammer. Jesus, man, the fact that you actually have to have evidence for these kinds of accusations is probably why you were removed from default trust in the first place. Now that you've been removed you're going to come here and start shaking your fist in the air? All the while posting with a paid sig-ad and complaining that someone else posted negatively about you with a paid-sig-ad? Despite your behavior here, I sorta doubt that we're gonna see dadice or nhndc go into the bit-x thread and start shouting about "working with flame-troll QS is causing unreliability!"

We all know what happened with you. You showed promise as an upstanding member of the community, you were good at reading through blockchain evidence and you spent your life on the forum looking for shady posts from newbies and calling them out. The problem is that you got caught up in your own importance and hubris has brought you down. It's not an uncommon human story (see Greek mythology 101). Badbear promoted you to default trust, but you couldn't take it when someone called you out for your hot temper and irrascibility. So you started using your default trust abilities to ding everyone and anyone who showed you anything but ass-kissing. You got away with it for a while but eventually you alienated yourself and got yourself removed from power. The question now is how far are you gonna go with this scorched-earth mentality? Even now, if you gave up on the insanity, realized that you can be wrong sometimes, and went back to attempting to provide something positive to the community you might avoid going down completely in flames. I think that's the path you should take, but then again, you won't hear anything from me because you've decided I am the evil you tread under your feet or whatever.

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ROLL STANDINGS!!!!!!!!!!

We are nearly at 126 million rolls as of today! Rolls are coming in nicely for the 200 millionth! Remember if it happens on 19th if June the bounty will be 0.5BTC. However every day earlier the bounty will increase by 0.05BTC!!

Only two more days remain to guess the date of the roll for 0.1BTC so lets have those guesses!

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Quote from: ShetKid on May 20, 2015, 01:22:23 PM

Well you and your site are the seniors in this industry. Still you refused many times to show anybody your sites cold wallet, what is understandable. I have decided for now to disable investments, to stop these arguments here.

That sort of makes it worse. Looks like you are running away on purpose. All you have to do is show the proof to only one person. And not being able to do that takes away any credibility. If you just do that ,no more questions will be asked on this thread.

I agree with this.. I also think that the reason he can't do this simple ask is simple and it is because he can't... If he could he would wouldn't he Undecided

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OUR CHARITY DRIVE FOR NEPAL IS NEARING AN END!!

We only have 12 days remaining of our charity drive. The bitcoin community has the chance to be able to help those who have suffered the gravest of misfortunes

You don't have to be on DaDice to donate, you may do so at any time here https://www.igot.com/nepal/help_earthquake_victims/

As we've said before we have created a user called @HelpNepal on DaDice as well. Come the first of June everything raised there will be doubled by DaDice and then sent through to the above campaign

Thank you hugely in advance once again

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Primedice.com, Stake.com

The only thing I am pushing, is in having a public cold wallet like all other sites. I have explained with fair arguments why and you still didn't come up with a valid reason not to do so.

And we have explained why we don't do this. As long as nobody is complaining here that withdrawals requests are not honored or an investor complaining that he requested his cold wallet and we don't comply - then I would agree with your concerns.

But we do process withdrawals all the time and we have a skype group where we are in personal contact with all our investors.

This thread has become a witch-hunt and by any means, we are not willing to take part in it. We have overtaken most other dice sites by rolls in less than 3 month, our members base is growing daily and so are the wagered amounts. But according to you guys all we do is wrong. Well we can leave 'Troll Central' as well, as mentioned earlier - and believe me, we would still go on on the fast lane of the road.

At the very least wouldn't you be willing to demonstrate proof of those coins to me privately? I can verify here. This doesn't just effect investors but also people who play on your website and are under the assumption that you have that amount of coins to payout with.

Something there is no shortage of is bitcoin dice sites and people will take their business/investments elsewhere. Your attitude that you don't need this community due to your vast success and growth rate is fine but at the end of the day you'd be another 999dice.

NLNico has made some very reasonable points and it's unprofessional to try and shrug him off.

Well you and your site are the seniors in this industry. Still you refused many times to show anybody your sites cold wallet, what is understandable. I have decided for now to disable investments, to stop these arguments here.

We have always privately funded our website and I'm sure if you dug around for five minutes you could find multiple cold storage addresses linked to PD. As far as I'm concerned you've confirmed that you did not have the coins you claimed, I offered a perfectly reasonable option for you to just privately sign an address and you rejected it for something more drastic.

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Quote from: dadice on May 20, 2015, 01:13:24 PM

Well you and your site are the seniors in this industry. Still you refused many times to show anybody your sites cold wallet, what is understandable. I have decided for now to disable investments, to stop these arguments here.

That sort of makes it worse. Looks like you are running away on purpose. All you have to do is show the proof to only one person. And not being able to do that takes away any credibility. If you just do that ,no more questions will be asked on this thread.

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Quote from: Quickseller on May 20, 2015, 01:08:38 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 20, 2015, 01:08:38 PM

The only thing I am pushing, is in having a public cold wallet like all other sites. I have explained with fair arguments why and you still didn't come up with a valid reason not to do so.

And we have explained why we don't do this. As long as nobody is complaining here that withdrawals requests are not honored or an investor complaining that he requested his cold wallet and we don't comply - then I would agree with your concerns.

But we do process withdrawals all the time and we have a skype group where we are in personal contact with all our investors.

This thread has become a witch-hunt and by any means, we are not willing to take part in it. We have overtaken most other dice sites by rolls in less than 3 month, our members base is growing daily and so are the wagered amounts. But according to you guys all we do is wrong. Well we can leave 'Troll Central' as well, as mentioned earlier - and believe me, we would still go on on the fast lane of the road.

At the very least wouldn't you be willing to demonstrate proof of those coins to me privately? I can verify here. This doesn't just effect investors but also people who play on your website and are under the assumption that you have that amount of coins to payout with.

Something there is no shortage of is bitcoin dice sites and people will take their business/investments elsewhere. Your attitude that you don't need this community due to your vast success and growth rate is fine but at the end of the day you'd be another 999dice.

NLNico has made some very reasonable points and it's unprofessional to try and shrug him off.

Well you and your site are the seniors in this industry. Still you refused many times to show anybody your sites cold wallet, what is understandable. I have decided for now to disable investments, to stop these arguments here.

Stunna does not have any public investors and I am fairly certain that his private investors are well in the loop regarding where their cold storage is held. As a result the max anyone will ever have at his site would be a tiny amount.

Well we also wont have public investments at the end of the business day. We leave the crown of dice investment sites to the 'most trusted dice site around' and it's owner Dean.

I really don't see what the big deal is about making your cold storage public. It would install confidence in your site, which will mean that more players will play more which means your investors will benefit.

In reality it wouldn't be difficult to determine your "largest investors" cold storage address.

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Quote from: pureelite on May 20, 2015, 01:05:11 PM

The only thing I am pushing, is in having a public cold wallet like all other sites. I have explained with fair arguments why and you still didn't come up with a valid reason not to do so.

And we have explained why we don't do this. As long as nobody is complaining here that withdrawals requests are not honored or an investor complaining that he requested his cold wallet and we don't comply - then I would agree with your concerns.

But we do process withdrawals all the time and we have a skype group where we are in personal contact with all our investors.

This thread has become a witch-hunt and by any means, we are not willing to take part in it. We have overtaken most other dice sites by rolls in less than 3 month, our members base is growing daily and so are the wagered amounts. But according to you guys all we do is wrong. Well we can leave 'Troll Central' as well, as mentioned earlier - and believe me, we would still go on on the fast lane of the road.

At the very least wouldn't you be willing to demonstrate proof of those coins to me privately? I can verify here. This doesn't just effect investors but also people who play on your website and are under the assumption that you have that amount of coins to payout with.

Something there is no shortage of is bitcoin dice sites and people will take their business/investments elsewhere. Your attitude that you don't need this community due to your vast success and growth rate is fine but at the end of the day you'd be another 999dice.

NLNico has made some very reasonable points and it's unprofessional to try and shrug him off.

Well you and your site are the seniors in this industry. Still you refused many times to show anybody your sites cold wallet, what is understandable. I have decided for now to disable investments, to stop these arguments here.

Stunna does not have any public investors and I am fairly certain that his private investors are well in the loop regarding where their cold storage is held. As a result the max anyone will ever have at his site would be a tiny amount.

Well we also wont have public investments at the end of the business day. We leave the crown of dice investment sites to the 'most trusted dice site around' and it's owner Dean.

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dadice,where can we see how many hits we get over are affiliate links on your site?

There is no way to see how many hits you got. You should use a third party service.

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