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newbie
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If you have 150 Mh/s on Android I would like to know which phone/device you're using: mine does around 150 h/s... Wink

I am here to learn and therefore throwing some bones, thanks for the input so far, but I want more...
If the project stays strong and GPU punishment is enough to let CPU and IoT rule the network, it's only a matter of waiting for the right amount of IoT's to
support the network. Then the moment arrives to start punishing CPU's to get the network run only by IoT devices. This will take years to accomplish but
in my opinion is doable for uPlexa as a first mover. Don't forget the processing power and the algorithms will evolve as well during this timeframe.
In my head it sounds simple, but it probably isn't... fire away...!

Yes, I think you're saying something reasonable. That's how I imagine it. The one issue I have is, in the years it takes to accomplish the IoT network, the GPU miners (myself included) will have built up some big bags of UPX. So what's the problem? Well, if the project punishes GPU miners a bit, then those GPU miners will have to move onto other coins. Most likely they will start dumping their UPX, and because of the large bags they have, it will keep UPX price down for years with all the selling pressure. Maybe investors come in to buy up the coin, but in terms of strengthening the network, it's going to be hard to go from GPU hashpower down to IoT/phone  hashpower. I only mention this because I've seen a number of CPU coins that get stomped once the GPU miners come in.

Now wouldn't it be cool if we could get 100Mh/s on android. Smiley

And yeah, fruityminer hasn't released the update yet. Maybe if they don't our discussion about GPU will be over. Smiley



Personally i don't think GPU mining will ever be shut down, not only because it's still the most affordable high-hashrate form of mining (FPGA and ASICs are still crazy money) it's also the "bread and butter" for all miners. Coins like UPX make it possible to use smaller older GPU's you wouldn't dream of using on anything else. so i believe there is still a place for GPU's in all forms.
Granted UPX's primary platform is and should remain CPU,IoT and mobile tech but with out the hashrate of GPU's supporting the network we couldn't possibly expect the coin to grow or remain stable... Sure there are people out there using server CPU's and cranking out 7kh+ with them but not everyone has access to such hardware. There are of course the more powerful multi cored PC CPU's but they aren't affordable either. so in that regard there really isn't anything out there more affordable then GPU's.
jr. member
Activity: 165
Merit: 1
Where is the new miner?

check here bro https://uplexa.com/9

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Go to https://uplexa.com/ and then click on "Miners".

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@FruityPool FruityPool released this on 18 Dec 2018
Old Miners!!!!
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bro, you not specific what your device, mobile, cpu, amd or nvidia
better to join on discord https://discord.gg/2BPPrz3 and check mining channel
jr. member
Activity: 226
Merit: 2
If you have 150 Mh/s on Android I would like to know which phone/device you're using: mine does around 150 h/s... Wink

I am here to learn and therefore throwing some bones, thanks for the input so far, but I want more...
If the project stays strong and GPU punishment is enough to let CPU and IoT rule the network, it's only a matter of waiting for the right amount of IoT's to
support the network. Then the moment arrives to start punishing CPU's to get the network run only by IoT devices. This will take years to accomplish but
in my opinion is doable for uPlexa as a first mover. Don't forget the processing power and the algorithms will evolve as well during this timeframe.
In my head it sounds simple, but it probably isn't... fire away...!

Yes, I think you're saying something reasonable. That's how I imagine it. The one issue I have is, in the years it takes to accomplish the IoT network, the GPU miners (myself included) will have built up some big bags of UPX. So what's the problem? Well, if the project punishes GPU miners a bit, then those GPU miners will have to move onto other coins. Most likely they will start dumping their UPX, and because of the large bags they have, it will keep UPX price down for years with all the selling pressure. Maybe investors come in to buy up the coin, but in terms of strengthening the network, it's going to be hard to go from GPU hashpower down to IoT/phone  hashpower. I only mention this because I've seen a number of CPU coins that get stomped once the GPU miners come in.

Now wouldn't it be cool if we could get 100Mh/s on android. Smiley

And yeah, fruityminer hasn't released the update yet. Maybe if they don't our discussion about GPU will be over. Smiley

newbie
Activity: 59
Merit: 0
Where is the new miner?

check here bro https://uplexa.com/9

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404 Not found
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Unfortunately, this page does not exist. Please go home
 Huh Huh Huh Huh

Go to https://uplexa.com/ and then click on "Miners".

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@FruityPool FruityPool released this on 18 Dec 2018
Old Miners!!!!
 Huh Huh Huh Huh
jr. member
Activity: 83
Merit: 1
If you have 150 Mh/s on Android I would like to know which phone/device you're using: mine does around 150 h/s... Wink

I am here to learn and therefore throwing some bones, thanks for the input so far, but I want more...
If the project stays strong and GPU punishment is enough to let CPU and IoT rule the network, it's only a matter of waiting for the right amount of IoT's to
support the network. Then the moment arrives to start punishing CPU's to get the network run only by IoT devices. This will take years to accomplish but
in my opinion is doable for uPlexa as a first mover. Don't forget the processing power and the algorithms will evolve as well during this timeframe.
In my head it sounds simple, but it probably isn't... fire away...!
newbie
Activity: 29
Merit: 0
Where is the new miner?

check here bro https://uplexa.com/9

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404 Not found
This page has moved, never existed, or does not yet exist. Maybe you're from the future?
Unfortunately, this page does not exist. Please go home
 Huh Huh Huh Huh

Go to https://uplexa.com/ and then click on "Miners".
newbie
Activity: 59
Merit: 0
Where is the new miner?

check here bro https://uplexa.com/9

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jr. member
Activity: 226
Merit: 2
Honesty I dont think there's a way to advantage Android miners compared to regular cpu /gpu miners...
Make it easier on android yup, but that should make it easier too for reg cpu. For gpu it's another matter, but anyway pushing gpu owners away is not necessarily the best option to keep a good network hashrate

Well if we let GPUs run wild, that might be fine for hashrate, but it seems those will always crowd out the IoT devices. Let's say I have 5 IoT devices in my home. These devices aren't meant to shove data in and out at full bandwidth constantly--they are limited in processing power. They won't keep up in any hash competition unless the algo prefers them over GPUs.

Lets' look at this. Right now, I have an android mining 150Mh/s. I assume any IoT device will have less hashpower than a phone. My crummy 2 GPU system is getting 4000Mh/s on uplexa. That's 3850 more hashes every second. How is a phone or IoT device going to compete with that?

It won't. My concern is that by allowing GPUs a strong presence in mining UPX, we're setting up the failure of the IoT mining, which is the core of the project, right?

Maybe I'm wrong on that. But if we want useful android mining and IoT mining, there needs to be some competitive edge for those devices over GPUs. I strongly feel that to ignore this will cost the project dearly down the road. Hopefully I am wrong.



newbie
Activity: 59
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New wallets & daemons will be available tomorrow April 23rd (suggest you update!).
 A message will be posted when all new wallets are available.
YOUR MINERS WILL REQUIRE AN UPDATE!
Supported miners:

 XMRig-UPX v0.0.4 will be available April 24th.
 UPX Android Miner v 0.1.2 - April 24th
 FruityMiner v2.0 - April 25th
 XMRigCC - Supported (date not confirmed)
 SRBMiner - Supported (date not confirmed)
 Required updates for POOLs:
node-upx-hashing (node-cryptonight-hashing fork) - April 24th
 UPXTWO IS LIVE ON TESTNET Testnet pool: upx-testnut.poolbux.com (No GUI).

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Where is the new miner?
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jr. member
Activity: 313
Merit: 8
Honesty I dont think there's a way to advantage Android miners compared to regular cpu /gpu miners...
Make it easier on android yup, but that should make it easier too for reg cpu. For gpu it's another matter, but anyway pushing gpu owners away is not necessarily the best option to keep a good network hashrate
sr. member
Activity: 569
Merit: 250
Recapping from what I saw here and in discord, the most hashing progress is in the Androidminer, then CPU, then GPU? The way I see it then only a series of those hardforks will get the Android/IoT devices on top of CPU and GPU so the devs are already doing it right:-) (Man I wish I know what I am talking about...) For now I stick with scooping up as much coins as possible and it seems this hardfork helps with just that.
Often this android mining is more a symbolic function on crypto projects to compare with GPU and ISIC mining. This is vital to uPlexa to differentiate it from other coins to develop real mobil and IoT mining.
jr. member
Activity: 83
Merit: 1
Recapping from what I saw here and in discord, the most hashing progress is in the Androidminer, then CPU, then GPU? The way I see it then only a series of those hardforks will get the Android/IoT devices on top of CPU and GPU so the devs are already doing it right:-) (Man I wish I know what I am talking about...) For now I stick with scooping up as much coins as possible and it seems this hardfork helps with just that.
jr. member
Activity: 226
Merit: 2
I ran a quick benchmark on my mix vega/rx570 rig and I am seeing about 25%higher hashrate than Pico. So the UPX2 algo will be great for CPUs

So it runs faster on GPU. What makes you say the new algo will be better for CPU? If anything, it will be worse for CPU if hashing rates for GPUs is increased as much as you say.
jr. member
Activity: 225
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I ran a quick benchmark on my mix vega/rx570 rig and I am seeing about 25%higher hashrate than Pico. So the UPX2 algo will be great for CPUs
jr. member
Activity: 313
Merit: 8
I too think that the IoT devices must have a big advantage in comparison to GPU and maybe even certain CPU's (if possible). But that should be a matter of time and maturity (in lifetime) of the coin/project. Right now a steady base of followers, fans and users is the most important thing at this stage. Later on the development wil no doubt be aimed at punishing or surpressing miners on GPU or something comparable (whatever we have  say 5 years from now). In this timespan the number of IoT devices will have grown big time as well which, apart from price, will need to have such system in place to be viable. Could a hashing limitation per device be an option, when you reach a certain amount of networksupport?   
That sounds like a nightmare to get working Smiley) how to identify accurately whether this or that device is in the 'IoT' category or not? IoT devices can be equipped with a large range of processing units, not only arm or such... So would the hashing power inversely calculated from the processing power, for instance? XD THAT would be quite disruptive, actually =)) the less powerful your device is, the more rewards it can get, lol

I'm only half joking here actually... Wouldn't it be THE way to go mainstream and the most 'satoshi flavored' way of crypto? Because for now, whatever is done to change the mining algos, the scheme is still pretty unchanged :the more powerful your mining system is, the more reward you get... The richer you start, the richest you get. Not sure this was the way cryptocurrency was intended in the first place Smiley

Do you think there's a way to make it more 'fairly distributed'? And do you think it would favor the global value, or tu the opposite force it to stay 'in the mud'?
newbie
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This project has a good lay out plan and roadmap, but I will like to find out the current progress and state of this project. are the set plans on the roadmap for the first year of the launch of the project achieved ?

Absolutely! I have been with the community pretty much from the beginning and i have yet to see the Devs miss a deadline by more then a couple of days or without proper notification.
This DEV team is pretty solid and dare i say better then most of the top ten crowd!

Better yet there is always someone in the community willing to help out if the Dev team is to busy to respond right away, but in most cases they are pretty much on top of things.
full member
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This project has a good lay out plan and roadmap, but I will like to find out the current progress and state of this project. are the set plans on the roadmap for the first year of the launch of the project achieved ?
jr. member
Activity: 226
Merit: 2
I too think that the IoT devices must have a big advantage in comparison to GPU and maybe even certain CPU's (if possible). But that should be a matter of time and maturity (in lifetime) of the coin/project. Right now a steady base of followers, fans and users is the most important thing at this stage. Later on the development wil no doubt be aimed at punishing or surpressing miners on GPU or something comparable (whatever we have  say 5 years from now). In this timespan the number of IoT devices will have grown big time as well which, apart from price, will need to have such system in place to be viable. Could a hashing limitation per device be an option, when you reach a certain amount of networksupport?  

The issue with what you're saying will be, with a huge head start by GPU miners, later UPX development to enable IoT devices will be too late. You can't make an IoT device hash more than it will, and it will never be more than a tiny bit compared to GPU. So where were headed is the GPU miners will have huge stashes built up. Later, when IoT devices start to mine, the hash rates will be poor enough they'll never catch the head start GPU had. It's like trying to mine with an android miner--you just can't get enough hashing to make it profitable compared to a decent CPU, and a decent CPU can't touch a decent GPU (unless there's effort to equalize the hashing).

The rational thing would be to punish GPU miners immediately, before their mining destroys the chance of IoT mining getting off the ground. But until then, I encourage all GPU miners that like the project to mine the heck out it and build up your stash while you can. I think GPU miners are the biggest threat to this coin, and yes I'm one of them. Smiley
jr. member
Activity: 83
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I too think that the IoT devices must have a big advantage in comparison to GPU and maybe even certain CPU's (if possible). But that should be a matter of time and maturity (in lifetime) of the coin/project. Right now a steady base of followers, fans and users is the most important thing at this stage. Later on the development wil no doubt be aimed at punishing or surpressing miners on GPU or something comparable (whatever we have  say 5 years from now). In this timespan the number of IoT devices will have grown big time as well which, apart from price, will need to have such system in place to be viable. Could a hashing limitation per device be an option, when you reach a certain amount of networksupport?   
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