I have open a new discussion here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2064724.0;topicseen
"Germany’s largest Bitcoin exchange Bitcoin.de gave police sensitive user data on request without being obliged to by law, a report has revealed."
In "legal" because i think is NOT legal this act.
And in EU privacy is a right! (for now...)
Topic: Danish police first in the world to hunt down criminals using bitcoin, afraid??? (Read 853 times)
August 04, 2017, 06:00:30 PM
August 04, 2017, 05:57:09 PM
It’s hard being a criminal.
Surveillance techniques and forensic science are constantly being improved and people are working full-time to destroy your livelihood. That’s why many criminals around the world probably celebrated when the cryptocurrency bitcoin was launched back in 2009.
With untraceable internet currency, crooks could finally enjoy the anonymity of cash without risking being caught red-handed out in the physical world. This beautifully idyllic criminal vision could have been the future, if it wasn’t for the damn meddling Danes.
It seems unlikely that bitcoin is the future of crime after Berlingske reported that the Danish police brought down drug traffickers by tracing bitcoin transactions.
In January this year, courts in the Danish city Herning, found the defendant in a narcotics case guilty and sentenced him to eight years of prison due to traced bitcoin transactions. This is the second case in Denmark where bitcoin-tracing evidence has played a major role in the trial.
Why should we be afraid of danish police hunting criminals who conduct illegal transactions with bitcoin? As long as we do not commit a crime we need not be afraid of it.Surveillance techniques and forensic science are constantly being improved and people are working full-time to destroy your livelihood. That’s why many criminals around the world probably celebrated when the cryptocurrency bitcoin was launched back in 2009.
With untraceable internet currency, crooks could finally enjoy the anonymity of cash without risking being caught red-handed out in the physical world. This beautifully idyllic criminal vision could have been the future, if it wasn’t for the damn meddling Danes.
It seems unlikely that bitcoin is the future of crime after Berlingske reported that the Danish police brought down drug traffickers by tracing bitcoin transactions.
In January this year, courts in the Danish city Herning, found the defendant in a narcotics case guilty and sentenced him to eight years of prison due to traced bitcoin transactions. This is the second case in Denmark where bitcoin-tracing evidence has played a major role in the trial.
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Denmark police first in the world hunt down criminals using bitcoin.
Kim Aarenstrup, the head of Denmark’s National Cybercrime Center (NC3), said in an interview with Berlingske that these two convictions prove that Denmark is currently leading the way in cyberpolicing and that this new technology is a major milestone for police work.
We are pretty much unique in the world at this moment, because nobody else has been able to use this type of trace as evidence before. Everybody is looking towards Denmark in this field, and we are in close dialog with several other countries at the moment, so that we can further develop the methods and teach them how we operate.
The new specialized IT-system, developed by Danish law enforcement agencies, is based on comparing the information of two different types of bitcoin transactions. First, transactions where bitcoins are used to purchase goods are analyzed by exploiting the possibilities of blockchain technology, which bitcoin is based on. This information is then compared with listings of bitcoin-buyers and bitcoin-sellers.
The comparison is then used to identify the people involved in particular dealings. Aarenstrup didn’t want to go into specifics of how far-reaching this new method is, but one can imagine that it must be substantial since the FBI and Europol are already using the system.
Changed world for criminals
Jesper Klyve was the prosecutor in both cases where a bitcoin-trace was one of the main evidences. In his opinion there is nothing wrong with bitcoin as a currency and that people who use it are not automatically entangled in illegal activities, but that one cannot deny the fact that it makes illegal dealings easier.
Klyve says that in the past, a person had to have the necessary contacts to buy drugs, but this has completely changed with the introduction of the dark web and bitcoin. Now almost anybody can go online and buy a kilo of amphetamine and pay for it with a cryptocurrency. However, this might all change due to police’s new bitcoin-tool and Klyve is optimistic that it will provide interesting possibilities.
It is common that drug deals made on the dark web are sent by regular mail — like in the first case bitcoin-tracing was employed in Denmark — which can make it considerably harder for the police to bust criminals. But Klyve is certain that this new technology will completely change that. Now, if a suspect receives drugs by post — which he denies he ordered — the police can go over his bitcoin transaction history and see whether he has sent bitcoins to anyone recently.
“All transfers that have ever been made are coded into the bitcoin-system. Therefore, you can at any given time log in and search in the system and try to identify individual users,” said Klyve in an interview with Berlingske.
It has been pointed out before that bitcoin is probably less beneficial to criminals than originally thought, but the two verdicts in Denmark are a clear indicator that cyberspace isn’t safe from the long arm of the law. Perhaps, it is finally time for criminals to find a new livelihood.
Source: https://thenextweb.com/eu/2017/02/21/danish-police-hunt-down-criminals-using-bitcoin/#.tnw_02bBrjob
Kim Aarenstrup, the head of Denmark’s National Cybercrime Center (NC3), said in an interview with Berlingske that these two convictions prove that Denmark is currently leading the way in cyberpolicing and that this new technology is a major milestone for police work.
We are pretty much unique in the world at this moment, because nobody else has been able to use this type of trace as evidence before. Everybody is looking towards Denmark in this field, and we are in close dialog with several other countries at the moment, so that we can further develop the methods and teach them how we operate.
The new specialized IT-system, developed by Danish law enforcement agencies, is based on comparing the information of two different types of bitcoin transactions. First, transactions where bitcoins are used to purchase goods are analyzed by exploiting the possibilities of blockchain technology, which bitcoin is based on. This information is then compared with listings of bitcoin-buyers and bitcoin-sellers.
The comparison is then used to identify the people involved in particular dealings. Aarenstrup didn’t want to go into specifics of how far-reaching this new method is, but one can imagine that it must be substantial since the FBI and Europol are already using the system.
Changed world for criminals
Jesper Klyve was the prosecutor in both cases where a bitcoin-trace was one of the main evidences. In his opinion there is nothing wrong with bitcoin as a currency and that people who use it are not automatically entangled in illegal activities, but that one cannot deny the fact that it makes illegal dealings easier.
Klyve says that in the past, a person had to have the necessary contacts to buy drugs, but this has completely changed with the introduction of the dark web and bitcoin. Now almost anybody can go online and buy a kilo of amphetamine and pay for it with a cryptocurrency. However, this might all change due to police’s new bitcoin-tool and Klyve is optimistic that it will provide interesting possibilities.
It is common that drug deals made on the dark web are sent by regular mail — like in the first case bitcoin-tracing was employed in Denmark — which can make it considerably harder for the police to bust criminals. But Klyve is certain that this new technology will completely change that. Now, if a suspect receives drugs by post — which he denies he ordered — the police can go over his bitcoin transaction history and see whether he has sent bitcoins to anyone recently.
“All transfers that have ever been made are coded into the bitcoin-system. Therefore, you can at any given time log in and search in the system and try to identify individual users,” said Klyve in an interview with Berlingske.
It has been pointed out before that bitcoin is probably less beneficial to criminals than originally thought, but the two verdicts in Denmark are a clear indicator that cyberspace isn’t safe from the long arm of the law. Perhaps, it is finally time for criminals to find a new livelihood.
Source: https://thenextweb.com/eu/2017/02/21/danish-police-hunt-down-criminals-using-bitcoin/#.tnw_02bBrjob
About the taxes for bitcoin we can see in the future, whether the rules also tax laws will regulate bitcoin as well.
I talk about privacy of the people, u know this?
https://cointelegraph.com/news/germanys-largest-bitcoin-exchange-gave-police-user-details-without-court-order-report
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Germany’s largest Bitcoin exchange Bitcoin.de gave police sensitive user data on request without being obliged to by law, a report has revealed.
An exclusive piece by Vice published Tuesday unveils “at least eight cases” in which Bitcoin.de, under pressure from police but not the law, handed over personal details of customers.
Those involved in January were allegedly under suspicion of having used Bitcoin to acquire drugs from the now-defunct Chemical Love online marketplace.
“I’m speechless”
“In total, Bitcoin.de [...] relaid personal details associated with eight addresses, which included real names and nicknames, place of residence, email addresses, phone numbers, order totals, bank details, account transactions, login histories and IP addresses,” Vice writes.
The Bitcoin addresses involved had no proven links to Chemical Love, but were merely of interest to police and “could have” ties required to make a conviction.
Bitcoin.de had at first refused to cooperate without a court order, documents seen by the publication explain.
After a telephone call from police, however, “on the same day [...] it was arranged and agreed that company would at least investigate the first Bitcoin address without a court order.”
“I’m speechless,” one Bitcoin.de and Chemical Love user said reacting to the revelations. “I thought this is a serious business and that my data was safely preserved.”
An exclusive piece by Vice published Tuesday unveils “at least eight cases” in which Bitcoin.de, under pressure from police but not the law, handed over personal details of customers.
Those involved in January were allegedly under suspicion of having used Bitcoin to acquire drugs from the now-defunct Chemical Love online marketplace.
“I’m speechless”
“In total, Bitcoin.de [...] relaid personal details associated with eight addresses, which included real names and nicknames, place of residence, email addresses, phone numbers, order totals, bank details, account transactions, login histories and IP addresses,” Vice writes.
The Bitcoin addresses involved had no proven links to Chemical Love, but were merely of interest to police and “could have” ties required to make a conviction.
Bitcoin.de had at first refused to cooperate without a court order, documents seen by the publication explain.
After a telephone call from police, however, “on the same day [...] it was arranged and agreed that company would at least investigate the first Bitcoin address without a court order.”
“I’m speechless,” one Bitcoin.de and Chemical Love user said reacting to the revelations. “I thought this is a serious business and that my data was safely preserved.”
Germany’s Largest Bitcoin Exchange Gave Police User Details Without Court Order.
My think:
The protection of our unscrupulous customers and their bitcoins is more important to us than the protection of the data of offenders.
and, Another interesseting thing:
We only issue data from customers to investigating authorities if they can inquire in writing in specific cases and can demonstrate a legitimate interest in specific criminal offenses. This has always been the case from our point of view.
The real question here: So they've done it several times?
"Add Fuel To The Fire"...
August 04, 2017, 10:47:07 AM
It’s hard being a criminal.
Surveillance techniques and forensic science are constantly being improved and people are working full-time to destroy your livelihood. That’s why many criminals around the world probably celebrated when the cryptocurrency bitcoin was launched back in 2009.
With untraceable internet currency, crooks could finally enjoy the anonymity of cash without risking being caught red-handed out in the physical world. This beautifully idyllic criminal vision could have been the future, if it wasn’t for the damn meddling Danes.
It seems unlikely that bitcoin is the future of crime after Berlingske reported that the Danish police brought down drug traffickers by tracing bitcoin transactions.
In January this year, courts in the Danish city Herning, found the defendant in a narcotics case guilty and sentenced him to eight years of prison due to traced bitcoin transactions. This is the second case in Denmark where bitcoin-tracing evidence has played a major role in the trial.
Why should we be afraid of danish police hunting criminals who conduct illegal transactions with bitcoin? As long as we do not commit a crime we need not be afraid of it.Surveillance techniques and forensic science are constantly being improved and people are working full-time to destroy your livelihood. That’s why many criminals around the world probably celebrated when the cryptocurrency bitcoin was launched back in 2009.
With untraceable internet currency, crooks could finally enjoy the anonymity of cash without risking being caught red-handed out in the physical world. This beautifully idyllic criminal vision could have been the future, if it wasn’t for the damn meddling Danes.
It seems unlikely that bitcoin is the future of crime after Berlingske reported that the Danish police brought down drug traffickers by tracing bitcoin transactions.
In January this year, courts in the Danish city Herning, found the defendant in a narcotics case guilty and sentenced him to eight years of prison due to traced bitcoin transactions. This is the second case in Denmark where bitcoin-tracing evidence has played a major role in the trial.
Quote
Denmark police first in the world hunt down criminals using bitcoin.
Kim Aarenstrup, the head of Denmark’s National Cybercrime Center (NC3), said in an interview with Berlingske that these two convictions prove that Denmark is currently leading the way in cyberpolicing and that this new technology is a major milestone for police work.
We are pretty much unique in the world at this moment, because nobody else has been able to use this type of trace as evidence before. Everybody is looking towards Denmark in this field, and we are in close dialog with several other countries at the moment, so that we can further develop the methods and teach them how we operate.
The new specialized IT-system, developed by Danish law enforcement agencies, is based on comparing the information of two different types of bitcoin transactions. First, transactions where bitcoins are used to purchase goods are analyzed by exploiting the possibilities of blockchain technology, which bitcoin is based on. This information is then compared with listings of bitcoin-buyers and bitcoin-sellers.
The comparison is then used to identify the people involved in particular dealings. Aarenstrup didn’t want to go into specifics of how far-reaching this new method is, but one can imagine that it must be substantial since the FBI and Europol are already using the system.
Changed world for criminals
Jesper Klyve was the prosecutor in both cases where a bitcoin-trace was one of the main evidences. In his opinion there is nothing wrong with bitcoin as a currency and that people who use it are not automatically entangled in illegal activities, but that one cannot deny the fact that it makes illegal dealings easier.
Klyve says that in the past, a person had to have the necessary contacts to buy drugs, but this has completely changed with the introduction of the dark web and bitcoin. Now almost anybody can go online and buy a kilo of amphetamine and pay for it with a cryptocurrency. However, this might all change due to police’s new bitcoin-tool and Klyve is optimistic that it will provide interesting possibilities.
It is common that drug deals made on the dark web are sent by regular mail — like in the first case bitcoin-tracing was employed in Denmark — which can make it considerably harder for the police to bust criminals. But Klyve is certain that this new technology will completely change that. Now, if a suspect receives drugs by post — which he denies he ordered — the police can go over his bitcoin transaction history and see whether he has sent bitcoins to anyone recently.
“All transfers that have ever been made are coded into the bitcoin-system. Therefore, you can at any given time log in and search in the system and try to identify individual users,” said Klyve in an interview with Berlingske.
It has been pointed out before that bitcoin is probably less beneficial to criminals than originally thought, but the two verdicts in Denmark are a clear indicator that cyberspace isn’t safe from the long arm of the law. Perhaps, it is finally time for criminals to find a new livelihood.
Source: https://thenextweb.com/eu/2017/02/21/danish-police-hunt-down-criminals-using-bitcoin/#.tnw_02bBrjob
Kim Aarenstrup, the head of Denmark’s National Cybercrime Center (NC3), said in an interview with Berlingske that these two convictions prove that Denmark is currently leading the way in cyberpolicing and that this new technology is a major milestone for police work.
We are pretty much unique in the world at this moment, because nobody else has been able to use this type of trace as evidence before. Everybody is looking towards Denmark in this field, and we are in close dialog with several other countries at the moment, so that we can further develop the methods and teach them how we operate.
The new specialized IT-system, developed by Danish law enforcement agencies, is based on comparing the information of two different types of bitcoin transactions. First, transactions where bitcoins are used to purchase goods are analyzed by exploiting the possibilities of blockchain technology, which bitcoin is based on. This information is then compared with listings of bitcoin-buyers and bitcoin-sellers.
The comparison is then used to identify the people involved in particular dealings. Aarenstrup didn’t want to go into specifics of how far-reaching this new method is, but one can imagine that it must be substantial since the FBI and Europol are already using the system.
Changed world for criminals
Jesper Klyve was the prosecutor in both cases where a bitcoin-trace was one of the main evidences. In his opinion there is nothing wrong with bitcoin as a currency and that people who use it are not automatically entangled in illegal activities, but that one cannot deny the fact that it makes illegal dealings easier.
Klyve says that in the past, a person had to have the necessary contacts to buy drugs, but this has completely changed with the introduction of the dark web and bitcoin. Now almost anybody can go online and buy a kilo of amphetamine and pay for it with a cryptocurrency. However, this might all change due to police’s new bitcoin-tool and Klyve is optimistic that it will provide interesting possibilities.
It is common that drug deals made on the dark web are sent by regular mail — like in the first case bitcoin-tracing was employed in Denmark — which can make it considerably harder for the police to bust criminals. But Klyve is certain that this new technology will completely change that. Now, if a suspect receives drugs by post — which he denies he ordered — the police can go over his bitcoin transaction history and see whether he has sent bitcoins to anyone recently.
“All transfers that have ever been made are coded into the bitcoin-system. Therefore, you can at any given time log in and search in the system and try to identify individual users,” said Klyve in an interview with Berlingske.
It has been pointed out before that bitcoin is probably less beneficial to criminals than originally thought, but the two verdicts in Denmark are a clear indicator that cyberspace isn’t safe from the long arm of the law. Perhaps, it is finally time for criminals to find a new livelihood.
Source: https://thenextweb.com/eu/2017/02/21/danish-police-hunt-down-criminals-using-bitcoin/#.tnw_02bBrjob
About the taxes for bitcoin we can see in the future, whether the rules also tax laws will regulate bitcoin as well.
August 04, 2017, 07:19:40 AM
Regular "yellow" title! New times - new ways to combat crime. nothing unusual.
The point is not that the police conducts search of criminals and the fact that many users believed in the anonymity of bitcoin, and this is not true. Just like the belief in the decentralization of bitcoin also proved to be a fake. In this we have seen on 1 August. August 04, 2017, 06:07:32 AM
You think it's possible to run a mixing service in the dark web? Like, it would be more word of mouth and so will not have advertisements.
Dark Web sites are not immune to government seizure, as seen from the cases of Silk Road, Silk Road 2.0, and Alphabay. They may be able to survive for sometime, but surviving for more than 12 months will be very difficult.
Full Agree,
Btw if u close a " dark web site ", is easy u found another one in a little. The Dark web is same to here, is not full anonymous.
TOR is not 100% anonymous by itself. There are ways you cans till be profiled and eventually identified depending on how high level of a target you are.
August 03, 2017, 08:33:44 PM
You think it's possible to run a mixing service in the dark web? Like, it would be more word of mouth and so will not have advertisements.
Dark Web sites are not immune to government seizure, as seen from the cases of Silk Road, Silk Road 2.0, and Alphabay. They may be able to survive for sometime, but surviving for more than 12 months will be very difficult.
August 03, 2017, 06:28:06 PM
OMGOMGOMG!
Germany’s largest Bitcoin exchange Bitcoin.de gave police sensitive user data on request without being obliged to by law, a report has revealed.
An exclusive piece by Vice published Tuesday unveils “at least eight cases” in which Bitcoin.de, under pressure from police but not the law, handed over personal details of customers.
Those involved in January were allegedly under suspicion of having used Bitcoin to acquire drugs from the now-defunct Chemical Love online marketplace.
“I’m speechless”
“In total, Bitcoin.de [...] relaid personal details associated with eight addresses, which included real names and nicknames, place of residence, email addresses, phone numbers, order totals, bank details, account transactions, login histories and IP addresses,” Vice writes.
The Bitcoin addresses involved had no proven links to Chemical Love, but were merely of interest to police and “could have” ties required to make a conviction.
Bitcoin.de had at first refused to cooperate without a court order, documents seen by the publication explain.
After a telephone call from police, however, “on the same day [...] it was arranged and agreed that company would at least investigate the first Bitcoin address without a court order.”
“I’m speechless,” one Bitcoin.de and Chemical Love user said reacting to the revelations. “I thought this is a serious business and that my data was safely preserved.”
https://cointelegraph.com/news/germanys-largest-bitcoin-exchange-gave-police-user-details-without-court-order-report
Germany’s largest Bitcoin exchange Bitcoin.de gave police sensitive user data on request without being obliged to by law, a report has revealed.
An exclusive piece by Vice published Tuesday unveils “at least eight cases” in which Bitcoin.de, under pressure from police but not the law, handed over personal details of customers.
Those involved in January were allegedly under suspicion of having used Bitcoin to acquire drugs from the now-defunct Chemical Love online marketplace.
“I’m speechless”
“In total, Bitcoin.de [...] relaid personal details associated with eight addresses, which included real names and nicknames, place of residence, email addresses, phone numbers, order totals, bank details, account transactions, login histories and IP addresses,” Vice writes.
The Bitcoin addresses involved had no proven links to Chemical Love, but were merely of interest to police and “could have” ties required to make a conviction.
Bitcoin.de had at first refused to cooperate without a court order, documents seen by the publication explain.
After a telephone call from police, however, “on the same day [...] it was arranged and agreed that company would at least investigate the first Bitcoin address without a court order.”
“I’m speechless,” one Bitcoin.de and Chemical Love user said reacting to the revelations. “I thought this is a serious business and that my data was safely preserved.”
https://cointelegraph.com/news/germanys-largest-bitcoin-exchange-gave-police-user-details-without-court-order-report
August 01, 2017, 09:58:04 AM
Regular "yellow" title! New times - new ways to combat crime. nothing unusual.
August 01, 2017, 08:31:15 AM
I heard it's untraceable. I wouldn't be surprised if they are busy cracking it though. Governments, as a rule, don't tolerate secrecy. Only they can keep secrets.
Right!
The real problem is the Governments. A wolf in sheep's clothing...
Much as I distrust most of the government, I still think it's necessary to have one. It should be two-way street though. If they don't want us keeping secrets from them, then they should also not keep any from us. Want to put us under surveillance? Then put CCTV in their offices and bug their phones too.
July 30, 2017, 07:27:52 AM
Could be. You think it's possible to run a mixing business underground? I mean, Bitmixer is way out in the open, they even had sig campaigns here. Wouldn't cracking down on mixing services just cause them to just go deeper down the web?
Stratis is supposed to be coming with a trustless bitcoin mixing service which means it will be impossible to completely remove them and other coins will probably offer similar features on their platforms in the near future.
Doesn't Stratis have its own alt coin? I wonder how it will fare though. It seems there's no way to make bitcoin mixing palatable to authorities.
Stratis will be probably closed down and its owners detained by the Americans even before they would be able to complete what they are doing. The authorities have made Bitcoin services as one of their prime targets.
That could be expected. Or they'd receive lawsuits just a few hours after service becomes operation. Yes, that happens often in corporate America. Wouldn't be surprised if they'd be slapped with a hefty fine AND then sent to jail.
You think it's possible to run a mixing service in the dark web? Like, it would be more word of mouth and so will not have advertisements.
July 30, 2017, 07:01:07 AM
This is a great news. I hope the police in our country will also have that kind of technology to trace scammers who stole a lot of bitcoins form hundreds of my friends and other victims. Due to the incapacity of the authority to trace down those culprits they continue to operate and create new programs that targets newbies on the field of cryptocurrency and later on running away with hundreds of thousands to millions worth of bitcoin. But the question is how efficient and effective that kind of technology. Criminals can just use the exchanges to whitewash their btc so they can be untraceable. But I hope Denmark will successfully find and catch culprits and be an example to the world so that cyber criminals using bitcoins will stop their crimes online.
July 29, 2017, 11:39:53 PM
So you're assuming all peeps around here are criminals? I'm not afraid, i don't buy strange things with BTC or use it for illegal stuff, so my life continues like i'd never know about this.
July 29, 2017, 09:29:20 PM
Stratis is supposed to be coming with a trustless bitcoin mixing service which means it will be impossible to completely remove them and other coins will probably offer similar features on their platforms in the near future.
Stratis will be probably closed down and its owners detained by the Americans even before they would be able to complete what they are doing. The authorities have made Bitcoin services as one of their prime targets.
July 29, 2017, 06:24:16 PM
Well, since I'm not a criminal, there's no reason for me to be afraid because of this news. I think it's nice that criminals are being caught despite resorting to non-traditional (aka fiat) way of handling their funds. It should would piss off a lot of people though, since they got into bitcoins to avoid gov't meddling with their finances.
And criminals aren't going to be afraid either, they will just use employ better tactics to conceal their identity like mixing services, splitting funds up into several new addresses, selling for cash.
The only criminals that are being caught are the stupid ones, its sad but its also true.
"If there's a will, there's a way," said the cliche. It's really an arms race between authorities and criminals. The more outlets become unavailable due to crackdowns, then the more they'll try to find a workaround.
Bitcoin transactions are not 100% anonymous. They can be traced back to the user, even if he is using multiple mixing services. Also, a lot of the Bitcoin mixing services are getting taken down. Perhaps that is the reason why Bitmixer closed down recently.
Could be. You think it's possible to run a mixing business underground? I mean, Bitmixer is way out in the open, they even had sig campaigns here. Wouldn't cracking down on mixing services just cause them to just go deeper down the web?
Stratis is supposed to be coming with a trustless bitcoin mixing service which means it will be impossible to completely remove them and other coins will probably offer similar features on their platforms in the near future.
July 29, 2017, 06:20:29 PM
I would say its actually a good one on their part to have gotten to that level and brag about it but they are not the first to do that because I have read convictions that have taken place in the past where the suspect relied on bitcoin to perpetuate its activities. Its even good for the crypto world for anyone that is planning or using bitcoin for illegal purpose and thinking he is safe and can go ahead without any repercussions, the end is near.
July 29, 2017, 05:57:26 PM
I heard it's untraceable. I wouldn't be surprised if they are busy cracking it though. Governments, as a rule, don't tolerate secrecy. Only they can keep secrets.
Right!
The real problem is the Governments. A wolf in sheep's clothing...
July 29, 2017, 01:16:38 PM
I don't know how to feel about this. On one hand, I'm glad that those criminals are caught. Who knows what other crimes they could have committed. On the other hand, this brings the fear of government surveillance again.
I heard it's untraceable. I wouldn't be surprised if they are busy cracking it though. Governments, as a rule, don't tolerate secrecy. Only they can keep secrets.
Show me, how they trace Monero, pleace.
I heard it's untraceable. I wouldn't be surprised if they are busy cracking it though. Governments, as a rule, don't tolerate secrecy. Only they can keep secrets.
July 29, 2017, 11:34:41 AM
Show me, how they trace Monero, pleace.
July 29, 2017, 10:50:10 AM
Well, since I'm not a criminal, there's no reason for me to be afraid because of this news. I think it's nice that criminals are being caught despite resorting to non-traditional (aka fiat) way of handling their funds. It should would piss off a lot of people though, since they got into bitcoins to avoid gov't meddling with their finances.
And criminals aren't going to be afraid either, they will just use employ better tactics to conceal their identity like mixing services, splitting funds up into several new addresses, selling for cash.
The only criminals that are being caught are the stupid ones, its sad but its also true.
"If there's a will, there's a way," said the cliche. It's really an arms race between authorities and criminals. The more outlets become unavailable due to crackdowns, then the more they'll try to find a workaround.
Bitcoin transactions are not 100% anonymous. They can be traced back to the user, even if he is using multiple mixing services. Also, a lot of the Bitcoin mixing services are getting taken down. Perhaps that is the reason why Bitmixer closed down recently.
Could be. You think it's possible to run a mixing business underground? I mean, Bitmixer is way out in the open, they even had sig campaigns here. Wouldn't cracking down on mixing services just cause them to just go deeper down the web?
July 29, 2017, 10:40:51 AM
I think that only criminals should be afraid.
It was just matter of time when someone will start such activity and try to find criminals using bitcoin.
Bitcoin is very specific, anonymous and decentralized.
Police can't simple contact owner or some bank because there is no central bank behind bitcoin, or owner.
Probably u dont know italy
i take 10 minute for focus us situation:
Italy is putting up €17 billion ($19 billion) to avert a fresh crisis in its beleaguered banking system.
The move over the weekend came after a warning from European authorities that two struggling Italian regional banks -- Banca Popolare di Vicenza and Veneto Banca -- were facing collapse.
It's just the latest move by Italy to plug a hole in its fragile financial sector. At the end of last year, it had to promise billions of euros to rescue Monte dei Paschi, the world's oldest operating bank.
Under the plan announced Sunday, the Italian government will pay €4.8 billion ($5.4 billion) in cash and provide as much as €12 billion ($13.4 billion) in guarantees so that Intesa Sanpaolo (IITSF), one of the country's biggest banks, can take over the healthier parts of the two regional banks. The remaining activities will be wound down.
Related: Santander buys 'failing' Spanish bank for €1
Hemorrhaging money and crippled by bad loans, Banca Popolare di Vicenza and Veneto Banca had already burned through €3.5 billion they received from a government-backed fund last year. The European Central Bank, which supervises the eurozone's lenders, said Friday that the two Italian lenders didn't have enough cash to survive.
Intesa said on Monday that it was paying a "token" price of €1 for the regional banks' businesses. Its shares gained around 3.5% in early trade, suggesting investors think it got a good deal.
Italy's banks have been struggling with high costs and low returns for years. Billions of euros in loans have soured due to economic stagnation. The country's economy has barely grown for a decade.
Italian lenders are saddled with roughly €360 billion ($400 billion) in bad loans, roughly a third of the eurozone total.
Related: Europe's central bank is done cutting rates
EU bank bailout rules require investors (shareholders and bondholders) -- rather than taxpayers -- to shoulder the burden of any rescue. But the European Commission, the executive arm of the European Union, gave the green light to Italy's intervention, despite its use of public money.
The Commission said in a statement that state funds can be used as long as shareholders and junior bondholders bear the brunt of the costs and the plan doesn't skew industry competition too much.
The Italian government said its approach aims to protect businesses, jobs and savers that rely on the two banks, which are based in the northeastern part of the country surrounding Venice.
A new law permid fisco ( tax ) take directly money from the bank.
LOL! NEXT IS BTC!
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