Dark Wallet: Let There Be Dark! - page 2.

rarebitproject

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Quote from: cbeast on May 08, 2014, 11:50:23 PM

Quote from: rarebitproject on May 08, 2014, 11:44:16 PM

Quote from: cbeast on May 08, 2014, 11:27:22 PM

Quote from: rarebitproject on May 08, 2014, 11:05:00 PM

Quote from: genjix on May 08, 2014, 01:27:33 AM

Dark Wallet coinjoin goes through a server, but the server cannot see any details of your transaction nor can they steal your coins. All details are encrypted for the counterparty, and all signing happens in the client.

The only weakness here is that a server gets taken down stopping the service in which case you switch to another service. Even if the NSA controlled the server, they wouldn't be able to steal your coins or observe your transaction at all.

Lastly the server is sharing messages with other servers (we are improving this too), so it isn't really centralised. It is federated kind of like how different email providers inter-operate with each other. The decentralised aspect will only improve over time as we develop standards and deploy technology.

Are you guys running a server?

I'm not a laywer, but:

If that is the case, that server could be shut down and Mr. Wilson and cohorts arrested for "running a service" that "facilitates" or supports illegal activity. Its clear that DarkWallet will be attractive to people who are doing things that are considered 'illegal'.

If I'm not mistaken, Liberty Reserve and eGold were shut down for the same reason. Liberty Reserve's founder is apparently facing a long prison sentence (the charges against him include his boastings about the service's illegal utility).

The developers of Bitcoin, and BitTorrent for that matter, don't face legal liability because they just write the software. They don't actually operate anything.

I like DarkWallet, but hopefully the 'decentralised aspect' will improve very soon. The us is obviously going to do some very intensive traffic analysis on whatever server(s) you're operating.

It's all encrypted. Try proving anything.

They target the users machines with specially designed malware (assuming the server is as secure as believed). Once they decide the server is facilitating illegal activity, they will move in.

Best to be paranoid.

If I understand how this works properly, the server only matches encrypted keys. It doesn't do anything outside the blockchain. So if the users were not using TOR, then they might be able to trace the IPs. I suspect that these servers will become virtual and anonymous eventually. I don't like it, but I am open-minded enough to want to see what happens with the experiment.

I like the concept of DarkWallet, but it needs to use true P2P to negotiate the mixing. I was just pointing out that by running a server, the developers may be exposing themselves to potential criminal liability. If all they do is release software, they're safe (at least this seems to be the current understanding of the law).

cbeast

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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

Quote from: rarebitproject on May 08, 2014, 11:44:16 PM

Quote from: cbeast on May 08, 2014, 11:27:22 PM

Quote from: rarebitproject on May 08, 2014, 11:05:00 PM

Quote from: genjix on May 08, 2014, 01:27:33 AM

Dark Wallet coinjoin goes through a server, but the server cannot see any details of your transaction nor can they steal your coins. All details are encrypted for the counterparty, and all signing happens in the client.

The only weakness here is that a server gets taken down stopping the service in which case you switch to another service. Even if the NSA controlled the server, they wouldn't be able to steal your coins or observe your transaction at all.

Lastly the server is sharing messages with other servers (we are improving this too), so it isn't really centralised. It is federated kind of like how different email providers inter-operate with each other. The decentralised aspect will only improve over time as we develop standards and deploy technology.

Are you guys running a server?

I'm not a laywer, but:

If that is the case, that server could be shut down and Mr. Wilson and cohorts arrested for "running a service" that "facilitates" or supports illegal activity. Its clear that DarkWallet will be attractive to people who are doing things that are considered 'illegal'.

If I'm not mistaken, Liberty Reserve and eGold were shut down for the same reason. Liberty Reserve's founder is apparently facing a long prison sentence (the charges against him include his boastings about the service's illegal utility).

The developers of Bitcoin, and BitTorrent for that matter, don't face legal liability because they just write the software. They don't actually operate anything.

I like DarkWallet, but hopefully the 'decentralised aspect' will improve very soon. The us is obviously going to do some very intensive traffic analysis on whatever server(s) you're operating.

It's all encrypted. Try proving anything.

They target the users machines with specially designed malware (assuming the server is as secure as believed). Once they decide the server is facilitating illegal activity, they will move in.

Best to be paranoid.

If I understand how this works properly, the server only matches encrypted keys. It doesn't do anything outside the blockchain. So if the users were not using TOR, then they might be able to trace the IPs. I suspect that these servers will become virtual and anonymous eventually. I don't like it, but I am open-minded enough to want to see what happens with the experiment.

rarebitproject

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Activity: 22

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Quote from: cbeast on May 08, 2014, 11:27:22 PM

Quote from: rarebitproject on May 08, 2014, 11:05:00 PM

Quote from: genjix on May 08, 2014, 01:27:33 AM

Dark Wallet coinjoin goes through a server, but the server cannot see any details of your transaction nor can they steal your coins. All details are encrypted for the counterparty, and all signing happens in the client.

The only weakness here is that a server gets taken down stopping the service in which case you switch to another service. Even if the NSA controlled the server, they wouldn't be able to steal your coins or observe your transaction at all.

Lastly the server is sharing messages with other servers (we are improving this too), so it isn't really centralised. It is federated kind of like how different email providers inter-operate with each other. The decentralised aspect will only improve over time as we develop standards and deploy technology.

Are you guys running a server?

I'm not a laywer, but:

If that is the case, that server could be shut down and Mr. Wilson and cohorts arrested for "running a service" that "facilitates" or supports illegal activity. Its clear that DarkWallet will be attractive to people who are doing things that are considered 'illegal'.

If I'm not mistaken, Liberty Reserve and eGold were shut down for the same reason. Liberty Reserve's founder is apparently facing a long prison sentence (the charges against him include his boastings about the service's illegal utility).

The developers of Bitcoin, and BitTorrent for that matter, don't face legal liability because they just write the software. They don't actually operate anything.

I like DarkWallet, but hopefully the 'decentralised aspect' will improve very soon. The us is obviously going to do some very intensive traffic analysis on whatever server(s) you're operating.

It's all encrypted. Try proving anything.

They target the users machines with specially designed malware (assuming the server is as secure as believed). Once they decide the server is facilitating illegal activity, they will move in.

Best to be paranoid.

cbeast

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Activity: 1736

Merit: 1010

Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

Quote from: rarebitproject on May 08, 2014, 11:05:00 PM

Quote from: genjix on May 08, 2014, 01:27:33 AM

Dark Wallet coinjoin goes through a server, but the server cannot see any details of your transaction nor can they steal your coins. All details are encrypted for the counterparty, and all signing happens in the client.

The only weakness here is that a server gets taken down stopping the service in which case you switch to another service. Even if the NSA controlled the server, they wouldn't be able to steal your coins or observe your transaction at all.

Lastly the server is sharing messages with other servers (we are improving this too), so it isn't really centralised. It is federated kind of like how different email providers inter-operate with each other. The decentralised aspect will only improve over time as we develop standards and deploy technology.

Are you guys running a server?

I'm not a laywer, but:

If that is the case, that server could be shut down and Mr. Wilson and cohorts arrested for "running a service" that "facilitates" or supports illegal activity. Its clear that DarkWallet will be attractive to people who are doing things that are considered 'illegal'.

If I'm not mistaken, Liberty Reserve and eGold were shut down for the same reason. Liberty Reserve's founder is apparently facing a long prison sentence (the charges against him include his boastings about the service's illegal utility).

The developers of Bitcoin, and BitTorrent for that matter, don't face legal liability because they just write the software. They don't actually operate anything.

I like DarkWallet, but hopefully the 'decentralised aspect' will improve very soon. The us is obviously going to do some very intensive traffic analysis on whatever server(s) you're operating.

It's all encrypted. Try proving anything.

rarebitproject

newbie

Activity: 22

Merit: 4

Quote from: genjix on May 08, 2014, 01:27:33 AM

Dark Wallet coinjoin goes through a server, but the server cannot see any details of your transaction nor can they steal your coins. All details are encrypted for the counterparty, and all signing happens in the client.

The only weakness here is that a server gets taken down stopping the service in which case you switch to another service. Even if the NSA controlled the server, they wouldn't be able to steal your coins or observe your transaction at all.

Lastly the server is sharing messages with other servers (we are improving this too), so it isn't really centralised. It is federated kind of like how different email providers inter-operate with each other. The decentralised aspect will only improve over time as we develop standards and deploy technology.

Are you guys running a server?

I'm not a laywer, but:

If that is the case, that server could be shut down and Mr. Wilson and cohorts arrested for "running a service" that "facilitates" or supports illegal activity. Its clear that DarkWallet will be attractive to people who are doing things that are considered 'illegal'.

If I'm not mistaken, Liberty Reserve and eGold were shut down for the same reason. Liberty Reserve's founder is apparently facing a long prison sentence (the charges against him include his boastings about the service's illegal utility).

The developers of Bitcoin, and BitTorrent for that matter, don't face legal liability because they just write the software. They don't actually operate anything.

I like DarkWallet, but hopefully the 'decentralised aspect' will improve very soon. The us is obviously going to do some very intensive traffic analysis on whatever server(s) you're operating.

cbeast

donator

Activity: 1736

Merit: 1010

Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

Thank you genjix, for explaining how it works. It does look to be promising and a good use of technology. It's refreshing to see something developed that shows some inspiration and isn't a scam. If it wasn't for all the raging-against-the-machine-rhetoric folks would take the practical aspects of this more seriously.

jantenner81

full member

Activity: 228

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CIYAM - UI/UX design

i really like idea and also alpha version of darkwallet.
Great design btw maybe a few adjustments on this side.

Great progess thx unsystem for the efforts

EFFV

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Seems interesting Ill keep an eye on this project.

BitOnyx

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Cryptocurrencies Exchange

There is all kind of approach to this problem.

Right now it is alpha so it is rather hard to put any kind of mark on it. Until more people are going to use it and there is going to be full version everyone should use it with caution.

QuestionAuthority

legendary

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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Congrats, darkwallet brings Bitcoin back to the reason I started using it in the first place. Power to the people.

genjix

legendary

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I want to clear up some facts which I'm seeing propagated a lot.

Dark Wallet coinjoin goes through a server, but the server cannot see any details of your transaction nor can they steal your coins. All details are encrypted for the counterparty, and all signing happens in the client.

The only weakness here is that a server gets taken down stopping the service in which case you switch to another service. Even if the NSA controlled the server, they wouldn't be able to steal your coins or observe your transaction at all.

Lastly the server is sharing messages with other servers (we are improving this too), so it isn't really centralised. It is federated kind of like how different email providers inter-operate with each other. The decentralised aspect will only improve over time as we develop standards and deploy technology.

Diana Clark

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Rest assured the Govt will not be happy.

SunSeeder

member

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Are they suggesting that centralized development is good?

About the dust example: if the dark wallet team decides to ignore it, the majority will force it one way or the other. If the majority rejects dust, miners who accept them will lose out. That is kind of the strong point of decentralization.

If Bitcoin breaks because there are multiple implementations, then it should do so, the faster the better.

snarlpill

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$5 24k Gold FREE 4 sign-up! Mene.com/invite/h5ZRRP

Like the video. Saw Dark Wallet on the DN the other day, I'm all for it. I support everything that enables/helps anonymity. Will be following this thread to see when all the kinks get worked out.

Bit_Happy

legendary

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A Great Time to Start Something!

Quote from: genjix on May 07, 2014, 09:49:08 PM

Hey, I thought you figured out how to embed videos into this forum.

Congrats on Dark Wallet, it looks to be a popular project.

genjix

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ihaveaducky

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one word, centralized.

genjix

legendary

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thank you. our fund is here: https://wiki.unsystem.net/index.php/DarkWallet/Project_multisig_fund

btw interview with cody,
http://onpoint.wbur.org/2014/05/06/bitcoin-dark-money-dark-wallet

golden bits are at 27:30 and 37:00
lots of comments from liberals with fascist tendencies.

M++

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Awesome work, thanks dude. My 1st post is for you.

Your program give me faith in bitcoin. It's a big step no doubt, hope you can release it without problem, will be proud to use it instead of blockchain.info .

After i saw your program, i took a look at unsystem, and some of your video. I'am all with you. Deal with it, there is no turning back.

Keep going, there is not a lot of guy pure as you are, i hope you can release Darkwallet and working on Darkmarket... I'm feeling sorry to not be a programmer, and make a project like you do Cheesy

So for now i will just donate what i can afford to.

crazy_rabbit

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RUM AND CARROTS: A PIRATE LIFE FOR ME

Quote from: gtraah on May 05, 2014, 08:07:57 PM

I think there should be an easy way to get people to trust wallets that get created, because lets just say 100s wallets start getting uploaded and 20% of these are scam wallets this 20% will scare people fro trying ANY other wallet than Multibit, Electrum or Bitcoin QT... maybe the bitcoin dev guys should have a stamp of approval thingo , so basically if someone wants to develop something for BTC it will have to go through them for checking and security and once we see the B TICK TICK symbol or whatever people now know this is safe to use. I think thats a good idea

I don't think anyone would really do that, as it's only giving the opportunity for some new wallet to use the trust of other wallets to potentially set up a long-con scam of their own.

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