Data Shows Why Bitcoin SV’s 163% Rally in a Week Won’t Last

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Quote from: Zicadis on January 16, 2020, 04:54:37 PM

Looks like an excellent opportunity to short.

BSV has just been knocked back out of fourth position by BCH, and will probably get taken over by Tether again soon.

I've just opened a short with 10x leverage on Delta Exchange, I'm pretty sure that BSV will fall back under $250 within 2 weeks.

While I have no doubts that the coin is being manipulated at the same time I think that what you did was risky, first of all you are using a lot of leverage and that can be a very dangerous proposition and second as we know that coin is being manipulated, even if you are right and the price of that coin should eventually go down to levels below 250 dollars at the same time there is the possibility there will be a spike in the price and it reaches a new ATH before crashing once and for all, and that will make you lose a lot of money even if you were right on your prediction.

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Everyone knew this, nobody was assuming BSV will continue to rise and beat all other coins and become top coin, that is not going to happen and only the propaganda puppets were talking about it (or morons). BSV has so little volume that if you decide to sell over a million dollars worth of BSV right now, you would literally drop the price to less than 50 dollars, is that the type of coin you would like to really support? Nobody would support a coin like that.

However, with the same logic if you bought one million dollars worth of BSV this is exactly what happens and that is why many people believed the increase was a real one whereas it was a really fake and badly done one at that. I give it about one month before it goes back to being a low level coin once again.

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Quote from: Jating on January 17, 2020, 08:54:31 PM

Good for them to continue their pump. But then again it is clearly wash trading and all evidence are pointing to manipulation. I haven't check the price today, not interested, but as what others have been saying, this can't go on for a long term.

How can you point a price rally as wash trading and it is not the only coin that moved the rest of the market was also rallying and Dash was also moving higher, if we pin point those it will affect our market too as the bankers can shout foul play at the bitcoin market when there is a rally. So it is better to support the crypto market together without accusing each other rather than shouting at them.

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It is time people need to learn about the project of the coin they are investing. They should not just invest in a coin just because there is Bitcoin in it. They should consider what the coin or the project really contribute. If they do this to Bitcoin SV, they will easily realize that the coin is nothing but a mere fake Bitcoin just like their founder is a fake Satoshi.

That rally was in fact questionable and dubious from the very beginning.

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This was very predictable! The recent growth of BSV is insane and totally unstable! Whoever joined in the hype and bought BSV to get a good profit in a short time, they should take the profit and get out! Otherwise, the fall down will be huge and that can get rekt for the investors! This is why expert says don't jump in a hype pond, the result won't be good maximum time!

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Quote from: sureshnsnet on January 16, 2020, 06:53:55 PM

There is still good trading volumes for BSV and after fall down 26% yesterday, the BSV trading volume is around 460,000 bitcoins for 24 house and it will give more pumps to BSV coin, maybe we have to understand the situations and get the benefits if BSV got 99.4% of trading volume from unknown sources also no problem, the short time investment can give good return but it depends on entire and existing levels.

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Good for them to continue their pump. But then again it is clearly wash trading and all evidence are pointing to manipulation. I haven't check the price today, not interested, but as what others have been saying, this can't go on for a long term.

It will go down when players decided to take home their profits and finished the whole drama of pump and dump on BSV.

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Actually I don't to spend time checking the price movement because I already believe that it's due to the manipulation only.

just like what happen last year, BSV pump but afterwards it dump again, that makes this market so exciting and at the same time so dangerous, so everyone needs to fully understand on how manipulation is happening in the market especially on coin that is back by a person with bad reputation.

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Even if there is no data, it is not usual for a coin like BSV to increase %450 in a few days without any innovation.

Quote from: sureshnsnet on January 16, 2020, 06:53:55 PM

the short time investment can give good return but it depends on entire and existing levels.

I guess you misunderstood the content and BSV. The lifetime of the pumped price will not be long.

This article is really worth to read and what all happened with BSV is totally wash trading

https://beincrypto.com/bitcoin-sv-short-soon-most-profitable-opportunity-2020/

that's possible to make it even increase more than 1000% if this wash trading will always be continue.

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That makes sense, this article makes sense. because of course the price increase also begins with the volume rising as well and the volume increase is also influenced by the liquidity of the coins which means that many coins are bought. and in this BSV is different, because of its low volume, but shows an increase of more than 100%. this indeed makes everyone surprised and surprised. is this manipulation? it could be, as has been written in the article that there might be an attempt to determine their own prices so that the price of coins can be pumped up.

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How did happened that 99.4% of trading Volumes comes from unidentified exchange and how can it possible? maybe there is a issue to getting data from crypto exchange? anyway the bitcoin sv as consider most risky coin for invest from some crypto experts and bitcoin sv is getting ready to downfall now so better to exist who are already in profits now.

It's not even about trading volume, it's about liquidity. When the volume is faked, it can be ignored because it doesn't really have anything to do with the price movement anymore. But if few people control most of the coins and have enough money, they can control the liquidity and pump&dump the price.

That is why wash trading is a common method to increase the volume of a certain coin.
Even if they don't have the big amount of btc, doing the trading over and over again will give them the image that there is a lot of btc involved.
However, this activity is tiring unless they have bots on every exchange that can do the continuous trading.
And this is really not a sustainable approach for the project. They are just fooling themselves if this is their strategy to show to the community that their price is increasing.

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There is still good trading volumes for BSV and after fall down 26% yesterday, the BSV trading volume is around 460,000 bitcoins for 24 house and it will give more pumps to BSV coin, maybe we have to understand the situations and get the benefits if BSV got 99.4% of trading volume from unknown sources also no problem, the short time investment can give good return but it depends on entire and existing levels.

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Quote from: chennappa121 on January 15, 2020, 11:29:35 PM

How did happened that 99.4% of trading Volumes comes from unidentified exchange and how can it possible? maybe there is a issue to getting data from crypto exchange? anyway the bitcoin sv as consider most risky coin for invest from some crypto experts and bitcoin sv is getting ready to downfall now so better to exist who are already in profits now.

It's not even about trading volume, it's about liquidity. When the volume is faked, it can be ignored because it doesn't really have anything to do with the price movement anymore. But if few people control most of the coins and have enough money, they can control the liquidity and pump&dump the price.

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I'd short it. In the long run, this coin has absolutely no value since its intrinsic value is derived from the very fact that Craig Wright is satoshi, which is simply not true.

But be careful if you do decide to short. Don't lever yourself too high because you don't know when the manipulation is going to end and when BSV supporters will jump ship. Right now, there is a lot of speculators in the market that aren't even believers in BSV, which makes the market all the more unpredictable.

In the long run though, BSV should regress to its true value which is substantially lower than what it is right now.

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Quote from: DaMut on January 16, 2020, 09:27:48 AM

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Whole Market is manipulated including bitcoin.

we know about this, but bsv is entirely on a different level of manipulation. the other markets get manipulated because it is part of the cycle, it happens when traders are making a strategy to pressure or relieve the market to make a profit, while in bsv the manipulation happens whenever craig do something. to put it bluntly, bsv can be considered as his personal asset, do you think something like this can sustain? people will get sick of it because there is no natural growth that will happen with it.

Exactly, the manipulation is ridiculous and honestly it's just a trap for people and those wiho might buy it right now will definitely lose money. it doesn't take a genius to figure it out that this coin is just a pump and dump game and for people out there dont take this coin too seriously. Just choose a better option than BSV.

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Dump it!!!

Looks like an excellent opportunity to short.

BSV has just been knocked back out of fourth position by BCH, and will probably get taken over by Tether again soon.

I've just opened a short with 10x leverage on Delta Exchange, I'm pretty sure that BSV will fall back under $250 within 2 weeks.

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Quote from: Wh00re on January 16, 2020, 02:46:23 PM

Of course it wont last. BitcoinSV has NO use case, in fact it's delisted on a lot of exchanges. I wouldn't touch it..

^ There are exchanges that delisted BSV because they called it its a "Fraud". The world's largest crypto exchange Binance was delisted BSV because of the reason it is a fraud. Not only Binance but also Kraken and Shapeshift was supported Binance about delisting on this coin. It is totally fake volume and that is obviously manipulated price.

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Of course it wont last. BitcoinSV has NO use case, in fact it's delisted on a lot of exchanges. I wouldn't touch it..

Funny how so many people invests in hype projects, only to be burned hard later on. Why not invest in something with an actual future?
Decentralization should be anyone's main focus, since it's SO important if we want crypto to survive all the regulation it's undergoing right now.

Blocknet made the first DEX, and is working on decentralized oracles as well, yet nobody hardly even talks about it. Blows my mind, lol

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Quote from: Jating on January 15, 2020, 10:49:04 PM

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These parabolic gains appear to have been driven by strikingly low trading volume from reputable exchanges, signaling that this recent rally could be pure market manipulation driven by market making algorithms that engaged in wash trading to propel the crypto’s price.

Nicholas Merten, a popular cryptocurrency analyst and the founder of the popular YouTube channel DataDash, spoke about this in a recent tweet, noting that the vast majority of Bitcoin SV’s recent volume has originated from no-name exchanges.

“Ignore the price moves of BSV. Only $35.6M of volume is from exchanges open to US traders. The other 99.4% of daily volume is made up of mainly no-name exchanges and known wash trading exchanges that still deceive this space. They can basically dictate a false price,” he noted.

https://www.newsbtc.com/2020/01/15/data-shows-why-bitcoin-svs-163-rally-in-a-week-wont-last/

Well it does make sense, we don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that some manipulation from behind is happening on BSV. And just look at today current slump, almost 25% now and counting. I do hope that those who investors who did join the hype should get out by now in order to realised their gains from this manipulations.

What surprises me is that people are still falling for this kind of manipulation, anyone that knows a thing or two about investing knew this movement was manipulated and yet there are many people bragging about their paper profits instead of getting out of the market and selling their coins for such a high price, anyone that keeps holding BSV during the next weeks is going to lament it especially those that bought their coins during the last days.

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Whole Market is manipulated including bitcoin.

It's hard to manipulate bitcoin per se at its market is really huge as compare to BSV or any another altcoin for that matter. That's why there are bitcoin maximalist telling us that "pump" is not in their vocabulary, Grin

. Is the data relevant? definitely, it just really shows that this sudden and massive pump of Bitcoin SV is not natural and sure, someone is going to get benefit from this. Right now the price is above $300 and is chasing BCH. But nothing will change though, BSV is just another creation by faketoshi and it will consider as another altcoin that can be manipulated anytime.

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It's not the first time we've seen such pump on BitcoinSV. They are the coin with largest marketcap that has multiple of pumps and dumps in the last year. And it's price has been mostly related to the founder Craig Wright and his case and his claimed identity as satoshi. But even Craig is satoshi and he supports BitcoinSV, it won't change my preference of Bitcoin while BSV would always remain just another alt.

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