Topic: Data suggesting more than 95% traders are losing - page 3. (Read 1178 times)
If 95% traders are losing then this clearly means that 95% are amature trader while only 5% are genuine traders. if you are long term investor and ready to HODL then you can never be at loss. Those who bought BTC at 19k in 2017, were also able to sell in profit just after 4 years.
95%? I dont really believe that much about fail percentage because if people or traders are losing then we wont really see much that of liquidity.
I don't know, if the 95% apply for crypto trading. I know this rough number from Forex trading and there I believe it's true.
But liquidity has nothing to do if 50%, 60% or 95% lose on trading in long term. Liquidity is a matter of ask and bid and the amount of people and capital accessing the market.
I strongly believe it's more than 80%.
95%? I dont really believe that much about fail percentage because if people or traders are losing then we wont really see much that of liquidity.
We know that there are a lot of new traders now and might they lose. But I'm not sure if this will include the percentage that OP is saying because these traders aren't yet quitting(unless they do).
95% is not realistic for me, maybe 60% is quite acceptable, IMO.
Not really a thing to believe because I was thinking that the majority of the traders are in good and profiting.
It is basically impossible that the majority is profiting long term. If I put on a trade with the 1:2 Risk-Reward-Ratio and win the trade, somebody must have lost 2 to me. And if my strategy gives me an edge and I'm making 4 × my risk per month, somebody must lose this amount.
expect that the other side is losing thats why people do really make their best to be included on the profiting side and this cycle would continue as long there are people who do
play the tug of war.
95%? I dont really believe that much about fail percentage because if people or traders are losing then we wont really see much that of liquidity.
Not really a thing to believe because I was thinking that the majority of the traders are in good and profiting.
It is basically impossible that the majority is profiting long term. If I put on a trade with the 1:2 Risk-Reward-Ratio and win the trade, somebody must have lost 2 to me. And if my strategy gives me an edge and I'm making 4 × my risk per month, somebody must lose this amount.
Yes, someone has to give for others to take. That happens because there's always a difference in opinions in the market. There's usually a turk of war between buyers and sellers and whoever (traders I mean) place a trade on the losing team losses money to the winning team. It's not rocket science. The prime focus isn't to win all the time but for our wins to outweigh our losses.
Indeed, I have lost while I'm trading. Future market is poison me to lose my money. And the first factor that I lose money is I don't have a lot of knowledge against techincal analyst. Yeah, I suggest you or anyone here before you have an intention to trade in the future market then you have to overcome first the technical analyst strategy.
And I just guessing most of future market trader just choosing short term strategy like day trader that use 15 minutes until 1 hour time frame. Previously, I always use high time frame to trade like one day time frame to trade but I'm not ready when I see I got a huge lose and I got panic until I close my entry. Whilst in the high time frame the market will go as my prediction, this is why I lose my money than I get profit from my trading.
And I just guessing most of future market trader just choosing short term strategy like day trader that use 15 minutes until 1 hour time frame. Previously, I always use high time frame to trade like one day time frame to trade but I'm not ready when I see I got a huge lose and I got panic until I close my entry. Whilst in the high time frame the market will go as my prediction, this is why I lose my money than I get profit from my trading.
Sorry for your losses. Futures trading comes with increased add-on risk that makes it super easy to win or lose. That's why it isn't recommended for people who aren't acquainted with trading tools and concepts or at the very least, using low leverages for trades are recommended.
I believe that maybe 95% of traders are losing when trading. But, many traders are also getting profits.
I mean here, I believe that parts of those 95% people also ever took profits when trading. So, there is losing and also taking profits from a similar person. I am also a trader (although not a professional trader), I am trading on spot and also futures. Losing (cutting losses) always happens, but I can recover my funds by doing another trading and taking profits.
And this often happens, but in fact, I can recover more profits than what I am losing.
This may also happen to most traders outthere.
I mean here, I believe that parts of those 95% people also ever took profits when trading. So, there is losing and also taking profits from a similar person. I am also a trader (although not a professional trader), I am trading on spot and also futures. Losing (cutting losses) always happens, but I can recover my funds by doing another trading and taking profits.
And this often happens, but in fact, I can recover more profits than what I am losing.
This may also happen to most traders outthere.
Not really a thing to believe because I was thinking that the majority of the traders are in good and profiting.
It is basically impossible that the majority is profiting long term. If I put on a trade with the 1:2 Risk-Reward-Ratio and win the trade, somebody must have lost 2 to me. And if my strategy gives me an edge and I'm making 4 × my risk per month, somebody must lose this amount.
It is surprising what I saw about trading, that 95% of traders are losing, this was not what I even thought before, I was considering 75% of traders, but no research paper exists that proves this number right while some suggesting that the actual figure is much, much higher.
This poll are strictly for traders, it is clear that holding bitcoin and some other strong altcoins in the past did not later result to loss, unless the people that sold out of panic, because the price of these crypto assets increased back. So, this poll are only for traders, for us to know how trading is risky.
This is not about what you feel about trading, it is about what has happened to you, maybe you have lost to trading, or you are gaining from trading.
The question is how many people were able to hold Bitcoin for a long time as you have said? It’s just like saying that there are people who bought Bitcoin in 2010 and are still holding it till now in 2021, there might be, but it might just be 1% or 2% of the entire traders in the market.This poll are strictly for traders, it is clear that holding bitcoin and some other strong altcoins in the past did not later result to loss, unless the people that sold out of panic, because the price of these crypto assets increased back. So, this poll are only for traders, for us to know how trading is risky.
This is not about what you feel about trading, it is about what has happened to you, maybe you have lost to trading, or you are gaining from trading.
First of all, anyone that bought Bitcoin as early would be scared around that time, that’s why a lot of them even abandoned it in their wallet and lost it, the ones that discovered their hardware or wallet where they stored it can’t even remember their passwords, because they never believed it will grow to this extent. With the way things were going then they will be selling at the slightest opportunities that they get. And sure, a lot of traders do lose money.
On the other hand I would really like to know if there is some statistic available somewhere on how much are exchanges earning by the huge volume of money traded everyday : anyone knows if there is some site with such information?
Not sure if that data is present but I guess it's easy to calculate as we can multiple the fees they charge per trade by the total volume. For an exchange that charges 0.01% trading fees on each trade a user completes, and has a total volume of around 1000 BTC in a day, which almost all decent exchanges have at the minimum then they are earning 1000 multiplied by 0.01% which comes out to be 0.1 BTC if my calculation is still working right...Your calculations are incorrect, as you have indicated too low a level of the commission charged by the exchange. So on the Binance, the size of the trading commission is 10 times higher than you indicated in your calculations. According to the data https://coinmarketcap.com/rankings/exchanges/ the volume of trading on the Binance over the past day is $22,180,899,224, which means that the exchange's piblizitelny income for the commission alone is about $ 22 million. In reality, this figure will be lower, as many have a discount on the commission there if they hold BNB.
I can't argue with this data because it's certain that 95% of traders end up losing because of a lack of training...
the exercises that I mean are patience exercises and analytical exercises. I personally still continuing to practice strengthen my analysis and also my patience. Trading is not easy, difficult to master but can be learned.
I think about most 95% of losers in trading are newbies. They are lack of proper orientation and not to establish the right way to trade. Some of them not follow the risk management that they need to follow and they already gamble their money rather than trade it properly but I'm sure that 95% of the data said, some traders already learned about their mistakes and realized the right way to trade. I'm one of those people that follow the trading plans and set the right entry and exits. the exercises that I mean are patience exercises and analytical exercises. I personally still continuing to practice strengthen my analysis and also my patience. Trading is not easy, difficult to master but can be learned.
I don't think that 95% of people are newbies because even those who have experienced enough or we called "professional traders" are still committing a mistake resulting in their loss. You should know that in trading you cannot 100% guarantee to earn a profit because there will be a time that it will not work on your side. Yes, you can mitigate the risk of losing by making out a plan but this will not enough for you to give a certain result. That is why I strongly agree on what OP has shared because no matter how skillful you are there will be times that your call will not work out especially in this kind of market where everything is almost unpredictable.
And I'm sure if they did a study on why they lost money, the reason for 90% of those cases would be because they risked too much and put the money they need into trading, which if happens to result in short-term loss they would easily panic and sell in loss, well because they need the money, while if they could wait they had the chance to get out of the trade with a good profit or at the worst case on break even.
That is exactly why I think trading is not something most people should do, and investing in my opinion is way better for someone that is not a whale or someone that can move the market with its trades, my suggestion is to just set aside some of your capital every money aside for investment and do not buy anything till the next bear market which eventually comes and when everyone is panicking and selling cheap, you should start slowly accumulating and laddering buys all the way down on something you believe in whether it's Bitcoin, Ethereum or anything else.
That is exactly why I think trading is not something most people should do, and investing in my opinion is way better for someone that is not a whale or someone that can move the market with its trades, my suggestion is to just set aside some of your capital every money aside for investment and do not buy anything till the next bear market which eventually comes and when everyone is panicking and selling cheap, you should start slowly accumulating and laddering buys all the way down on something you believe in whether it's Bitcoin, Ethereum or anything else.
On the other hand I would really like to know if there is some statistic available somewhere on how much are exchanges earning by the huge volume of money traded everyday : anyone knows if there is some site with such information?
Not sure if that data is present but I guess it's easy to calculate as we can multiple the fees they charge per trade by the total volume. For an exchange that charges 0.01% trading fees on each trade a user completes, and has a total volume of around 1000 BTC in a day, which almost all decent exchanges have at the minimum then they are earning 1000 multiplied by 0.01% which comes out to be 0.1 BTC if my calculation is still working right.The real winner in all trading are the exchanges actually but all the money doesn't go to their pocket as they have to pay the operational charges and security costs are there along with the high taxes they must be operating with. By the way, 95% of traders in loss is a scary stat because I was under the impression that because BTC has continued to see a bull run, most traders should be in profit.
I can't argue with this data because it's certain that 95% of traders end up losing because of a lack of training...
the exercises that I mean are patience exercises and analytical exercises. I personally still continuing to practice strengthen my analysis and also my patience. Trading is not easy, difficult to master but can be learned.
I think about most 95% of losers in trading are newbies. They are lack of proper orientation and not to establish the right way to trade. Some of them not follow the risk management that they need to follow and they already gamble their money rather than trade it properly but I'm sure that 95% of the data said, some traders already learned about their mistakes and realized the right way to trade. I'm one of those people that follow the trading plans and set the right entry and exits. the exercises that I mean are patience exercises and analytical exercises. I personally still continuing to practice strengthen my analysis and also my patience. Trading is not easy, difficult to master but can be learned.
You cant call yourself to be on the profiting group if you wont able to sustain yourself on ending up on gains when you do deal with the market.Lossing is inevitable but
it isnt enough for people to be driven down to quit totally with trading but instead they are pursuing to acheive their targets or goals even though it would really be giving
out such no guarantees. Data's show or given isnt something surprising and due to unpredictability then you can expect these percentage.
I can't argue with this data because it's certain that 95% of traders end up losing because of a lack of training...
the exercises that I mean are patience exercises and analytical exercises. I personally still continuing to practice strengthen my analysis and also my patience. Trading is not easy, difficult to master but can be learned.
I think about most 95% of losers in trading are newbies. They are lack of proper orientation and not to establish the right way to trade. Some of them not follow the risk management that they need to follow and they already gamble their money rather than trade it properly but I'm sure that 95% of the data said, some traders already learned about their mistakes and realized the right way to trade. I'm one of those people that follow the trading plans and set the right entry and exits. the exercises that I mean are patience exercises and analytical exercises. I personally still continuing to practice strengthen my analysis and also my patience. Trading is not easy, difficult to master but can be learned.
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when the BTC price spike continues to reach new ATH, there will be many people who benefit from every BTC transaction made including you and me. Although not 100% entered into BTC, I got a profit of more than 2x my capital and of course this year will be the best year for me.People who experience losses during a bull market run like this are usually newbies who are just entering the market, are too greedy or buy shitcoin which is also the cause of quite a lot of losses.
Profits and losses are common, this is free trade. All risks are at our own responsibility.
That I would advise not to.
What's worse is that these newbies don't even think of going back to the market now after the long losses that they incur in the market.
They either get too emotional or just think that trading doesn't really just work for them.
Being a old trader and still it's hard to be positive in trades. Can't believe that someone new can figure it out fast. So the numbers seem right. But still not everyone trades. There are people who just hold and at the end I think they have biggest gains at the end.
That is the thing, it may seem incredibly easy to figure out the markets but once people really begin to try to trade them they realize they were mistaken in their assessment, now on most activities making such mistake is not a big deal but here means losing so much capital that you do not have enough capital to keep trying, this means that those people never get another shot which increases the number of loser traders to levels that most people never suspect unless they look for that information by themselves.trading is smething that you needed to prepare yourself before taking your steps, there are lots of newbies who been eaten alive
after the first try, thinking that things is just easy and they can earn and go.
It's a venue where people are all aiming to earn, every results that you've got have an impact to other traders around, your earn
is the loses of someone and the opposite results is the profits of another traders.
It is surprising what I saw about trading, that 95% of traders are losing, this was not what I even thought before, I was considering 75% of traders, but no research paper exists that proves this number right while some suggesting that the actual figure is much, much higher.
I am confused how only 5% of users are profiting when the bull run is going on because when the market experiences a bull run usually everyone, even the worst traders manage to earn some easy profits.legendary
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I think the article isn't specifically talking about crypto trading. That's why I see the result of the poll is different from the statistic in the article. In crypto trading, most people now already mature enough and aware of the proper way (strategy) to use. So, most of us can gain profits during the bullish season in crypto nowadays. It is a bit different from the common trading in the article.
I think crypto trading also suffers the same fate but on smaller scale since the low capital traders are being given more opportunity than in stock market where it's manipulated by the big players and their cronies. What I like about crypto is that if you don't succeed in making profits from trading you can try out some different things like running your node and stake etc, the opportunity is there.
I think the article isn't specifically talking about crypto trading. That's why I see the result of the poll is different from the statistic in the article. In crypto trading, most people now already mature enough and aware of the proper way (strategy) to use. So, most of us can gain profits during the bullish season in crypto nowadays. It is a bit different from the common trading in the article.
But will these be enough to defeat the statistics considering that the people entering crypto trading is steadily increasing and we all know that majority of this are total newbies that is definitely going to lose a lot of money trading, I think that in a way, stock trading and crypto trading have some similarities that isn't easy to pinpoint but really are uncanny when spotted. Hopefully we can defeat the statistics that there are more losers than winners in crypto trading. 
I think the article isn't specifically talking about crypto trading. That's why I see the result of the poll is different from the statistic in the article. In crypto trading, most people now already mature enough and aware of the proper way (strategy) to use. So, most of us can gain profits during the bullish season in crypto nowadays. It is a bit different from the common trading in the article.
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