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Topic: David Cameron: Taxes will rise unless we can raid bank accounts - page 3. (Read 2650 times)

legendary
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Leave no FUD unchallenged
We need to vote this shower of shit out at the next election.
We do yes - but who is worth voting for ?

Vote Labour.

Yes, they're not perfect, but no-one is and furthermore no-one can be. Pick any one of the ten-a-penny idealistic small parties in the country - if they ever wanted to gain enough supporters to run the country (and they don't), they would have to compromise and U-turn every bit as much as the big parties at the top. If you still think your 'pure' ballot would be spoiled by ever voting for a party that represents anything but 100% of your opinions and no-one else's, consider this: politicians LOVE low turnouts. Low turnouts mean that they can spend more and more of their resources courting a handful of swing voters in the centre who decide the election.

The Blairite/Thatcherite wing of the Labour party are in decline for the first time in 20 years. Ed Milliband may be a piss-poor presenter, but his policies are solid, with a consistent theme of forcing markets to work for ordinary people. The Labour party's core values have always been about standing up for ordinary working people - of course they've made mistakes, but that has to be preferable to the Tories, whose explicit goal is to help the wealthy maintain their wealth and enrich themselves further.

The Tory party started out as a broad coalition opposing voting rights for non-landowners and fighting for more tax money to go to the nobility, but now they can disguise their goals as offering people "freedom from government" and "lower taxes", not mentioning the fact that despite their best efforts, the government still broadly protects workers from the whims of the rich, who also still pay the most tax. Labour was founded by working people and even today its (admittedly posh, policy-wonk) leaders are elected by working people. Labour fought for and won the majority of workers' rights, the NHS, free education, social housing, the minimum wage, racial, sexual and religious equality, all of which were opposed tooth and nail by the Tories.

Even if it's just a least-worst calculation, please vote. If your second or third-worst party is going to get in anyway, they won't get any more power from your vote. On the other hand, if your vote makes the difference then you've prevented the worst party from getting in and bought a small piece of negotiating power to try to change the party that now wants to keep your vote.

Absolutely - I'll tell you what gets my goat, is when the likes of Gary Barlow can scam millions out of the Inland Revenue (at a time, it has to be said, when the country sorely needs the tax revenue) and he gets nothing more than a gentle slap on the wrist and a polite request to pay up by the taxman.
Whereas if I refuse to pay my TV tax (and ensuing fine) to pay the wages of twats like Jeremy Clarkson his £1m salary I'm gonna end up serving time in prison.

This problem, like it or not, can only be solved internationally. If the UK unilaterally forces the thieving bastards to pay all the tax they owe, on time, no exceptions, then the majority will move and we lose the tax that they do pay, while the US or Switzerland gets it instead. The only real solution is an international treaty between the EU, US, Aus etc. promising to all crack down at the same time, meaning that the rich can either pay up or move to Dubai where it's illegal to drink alcohol and fornicate, or Beijing where they can be arrested for criticising the government. No single UK government can make this happen on their own, but you can bet that Ed Milliband would if he could. Would the Tories?

I can see you've put quite a bit of thought into this, but the fact remains that even if Labour are now moving away from Blairite/Thatcherite policies (and I'm yet to be wholly convinced they are) they're still in the same neo-liberal neighbourhood as the other parties in terms of economic policy.  They might not be as extreme in their views as the tories (or that joke of a party, ukip), but they're still heading in the same direction, albeit more slowly.  Under Labour, there will still be privatisation of the NHS, there will still be a push for forcing people into zero hour contract "jobs" to manipulate unemployment figures while boosting corporate profits and undermining the minimum wage.  There will still be an intentional and deliberate transfer of wealth from poorest to richest.  I refuse to vote for that.



This shows where the parties stand.  You'll notice all but one are in the same ballpark.  I don't care if everyone else wants to vote for a party that's going to get in or not.  I'm sticking with my principles and voting for the party pulling in the opposite direction to the cliff this country is heading towards.

legendary
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Taxes will go up regardless of of how many bank accounts David Cameron raids, capital flight will begin once the government decides it can take everything people own and Bitcoin, Gold, Silver will all go through the roof as well as other commodities.

You are forgetting that if the government can steal our cash stored in the savings accounts, then nothing prevents them from stealing our gold and bullion also, which is stored in the bank lockers. The only thing which they can't steal is... off course Bitcoins.

And that is the main reason why we shouldn't let governments legiferate bitcoin.

Is that legitimate+obliterate?
newbie
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Taxes will go up regardless of of how many bank accounts David Cameron raids, capital flight will begin once the government decides it can take everything people own and Bitcoin, Gold, Silver will all go through the roof as well as other commodities.

You are forgetting that if the government can steal our cash stored in the savings accounts, then nothing prevents them from stealing our gold and bullion also, which is stored in the bank lockers. The only thing which they can't steal is... off course Bitcoins.

And that is the main reason why we shouldn't let governments legiferate bitcoin.
hero member
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Dodgy Dave can go fuck himself, guaranteed none of his tax-evading toff mates will have their accounts raided.

Absolutely - I'll tell you what gets my goat, is when the likes of Gary Barlow can scam millions out of the Inland Revenue (at a time, it has to be said, when the country sorely needs the tax revenue) and he gets nothing more than a gentle slap on the wrist and a polite request to pay up by the taxman.
  Whereas if I refuse to pay my TV tax (and ensuing fine) to pay the wages of twats like Jeremy Clarkson his £1m salary I'm gonna end up serving time in prison.



 
We need to vote this shower of shit out at the next election

We do yes - but who is worth voting for ?

By voting we are only being complicit in the fraud (that is today "first past the post" parliamentary democracy in the UK) that is being perpetrated upon us.

legendary
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Your country may be your worst enemy
My advice to the British: Convert all your hard cash to Bitcoins and move to some sane country (i.e not to France). At the moment, the most viable options in the Europe are Russia, Belarus, Switzerland and Andorra. If you own any real estate, don't think that you are untouchable. They will take away our bullion and real estate also.

Russia? I think the richest Russians have moved to the U.K. or Switzerland. Germany, Austria look safer to me. The Netherlands are good, too.
legendary
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If you're going to vote somebody out vote for a minor candidate or party that doesn't go along with mainstream politics, don't just do this thing of switching sides to either Lib Dem or Labour, but then again, if you're on this forum chances are you're intelligent enough to at least realise these main parties are all the same.

Oh and all these problems people cry about in the UK with tax issues could easily be solved if they just made a simple flat tax rate, but good luck getting politicians to listen to that because it would make too much sense!
legendary
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Dodgy Dave can go fuck himself, guaranteed none of his tax-evading toff mates will have their accounts raided. We need to vote this shower of shit out at the next election
legendary
Activity: 3724
Merit: 3063
Leave no FUD unchallenged
This government are truly sickening.  They haven't got a single policy that isn't designed to force debt onto everyone, extract money from the people who have the least, sell off public assets (that don't belong to them) to their wealthy friends, or line their own pockets.  Disgusting, venomous, self-serving parasites.  

legendary
Activity: 3752
Merit: 1217
Taxes will go up regardless of of how many bank accounts David Cameron raids, capital flight will begin once the government decides it can take everything people own and Bitcoin, Gold, Silver will all go through the roof as well as other commodities.

You are forgetting that if the government can steal our cash stored in the savings accounts, then nothing prevents them from stealing our gold and bullion also, which is stored in the bank lockers. The only thing which they can't steal is... off course Bitcoins.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000
Taxes will go up regardless of of how many bank accounts David Cameron raids, capital flight will begin once the government decides it can take everything people own and Bitcoin, Gold, Silver will all go through the roof as well as other commodities.
legendary
Activity: 3752
Merit: 1217
My advice to the British: Convert all your hard cash to Bitcoins and move to some sane country (i.e not to France). At the moment, the most viable options in the Europe are Russia, Belarus, Switzerland and Andorra. If you own any real estate, don't think that you are untouchable. They will take away our bullion and real estate also.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
Professional anarchist
Matter of time till we see wealth seizures in Western Europe
The leverage is just unsustainable

Yup. The databases are being populated, they know where the wealth is. If it's a choice between seizing wealth and losing power, you can bet your Bitcoin-owning ass they will be seizing wealth.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
Matter of time till we see wealth seizures in Western Europe
The leverage is just unsustainable
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
Professional anarchist
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