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Bitmeat

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Quote from: flix on April 18, 2013, 09:32:12 AM

Quote from: Bitmeat on April 18, 2013, 09:20:34 AM

I still haven't seen any details from any exchange to show that they actually suffered a proper DDOS.

Looking at MtGox, their server could only support <40 trades per second, so whenever it went above that, it lagged to hell and they called it a DDOS. You guys just ate it up.

Maybe. That's the first thing I'd like to know for sure.

Exactly, all I'm saying is we have no idea right now if there actually was a DDOS. We do know that when attempting to trade more than 37 or so trades per second on Mt Gox, the symptoms would be the same as what they called a DDOS.

I've done a lot of IT security work, while you cant trace "who" is doing a DDOS, its very easy and common practice for companies to publish details on the type/vector of DDOS attack. None of the exchanges have done this.

flix

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Quote from: Bitmeat on April 18, 2013, 09:20:34 AM

I still haven't seen any details from any exchange to show that they actually suffered a proper DDOS.

Looking at MtGox, their server could only support <40 trades per second, so whenever it went above that, it lagged to hell and they called it a DDOS. You guys just ate it up.

Maybe. That's the first thing I'd like to know for sure.

Hughra

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This needs to stop... These "DDOS" attacks are just killing BTC. When the price routinely drives down, people will start to cut their losses and move on.

deadweasel

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Quote from: paraipan on April 18, 2013, 09:16:50 AM

Fight fire with fire? I don't think it will work the way is intended. Internet provides anonymity and the attackers could take advantage of the same bounties we make to protect against their DDoS attacks.

Yeah, won't work. These guys go through IPs like toilet paper. You'd just crowd the pipes for legit users of the interwebz.

Bitmeat

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I still haven't seen any details from any exchange to show that they actually suffered a proper DDOS.

Looking at MtGox, their server could only support <40 trades per second, so whenever it went above that, it lagged to hell and they called it a DDOS. You guys just ate it up.

MicroGuy

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This morning I needed some bitcoins for a transaction but my unconfirmed Mt.Gox account was not allowed to withdraw BTC for some reason, my other coins were in Blockchain which is still down, and now I can't make a deposit at Bitfloor because they're shuttered for good. At least I have my health. Lol

paraipan

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Fight fire with fire? I don't think it will work the way is intended. Internet provides anonymity and the attackers could take advantage of the same bounties we make to protect against their DDoS attacks.

Dabs

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Yeah, what system does Slashdot use? Or CNN.com? (any major news website, most are immune to DDOS).

mr-sk

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Lots of botnet operators offer rental service - so who are we really targeting?
In addition, the C&C structure of botnets gets more and more difficult to infiltrate.

Capital markets have a distributed mechanism that allows them to shrug off nearly all forms of DDoS.
As suggested, BTC needs something similar.

Fuck mtgox.

Hei_

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Quote from: misterbigg on April 18, 2013, 08:46:43 AM

Quote from: yocko06 on April 18, 2013, 04:00:34 AM

There's a good chance the authorities are behind the DDOS attacks. Or ripple/litecoin supporters

Ripple enthusiasts are too smart for that, and Litecoin users are too stupid.

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Quote from: yocko06 on April 18, 2013, 04:00:34 AM

There's a good chance the authorities are behind the DDOS attacks. Or ripple/litecoin supporters

Ripple enthusiasts are too smart for that, and Litecoin users are too stupid.

mobile4ever

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I suggest setting up decentralized systems that are not subject to attack. Make the change and the DDOS becomes a thing of the past.

btcforall777

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start a rumor that the guy doing the ddos did/said something extremely offensive to islam. then let al queda behead him.

meowmeowbrowncow

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Re: DDoS prevention. Does Cloudflare essentially offer the same services as that DDoS prevention service that accepts BTC?

From what I understand the one that accepts BTC has all traffic routed through them (BGP AS would be them) the destination endpoint(s) can be absorbed in to the services' IP block through tunneling or a leased line.

If such a company has the PoP bandwidth to handle the DDoSers while route black holing the attackers once they reach their perimeter, then that seems good enough??

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Quote from: yocko06 on April 18, 2013, 04:00:34 AM

Or ripple/litecoin supporters

I highly, highly doubt that.

Paul89273

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Quote from: yocko06 on April 18, 2013, 04:00:34 AM

There's a good chance the authorities are behind the DDOS attacks. Or ripple/litecoin supporters
But yeah I would chip in a few bitcoins to protect bitcoin.

It's probably the bankers behind it, they'd have the money and resources to do it and who has more history at manipulating markets in their favour than them.

I wouldn't be surprised if they hire groups of hackers to perform these attacks when they want.

I could be wrong though!

blueberry

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Here's what I think:

The DDOS was done by a person/group to cause panic and crash the price so they could buy up coins on the cheap. Now that they have bought their coins the DDOS's have stopped.

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Quote from: Luckybit on April 18, 2013, 03:29:30 AM

Quote from: Chet on April 18, 2013, 02:31:26 AM

Attack wars, further jamming stuff up, seem counter productive.

DDOS wars are counter productive but counter attacks are productive if you know who and what to attack. Who says you gotta attack with DDOS? You could attack with the authorities kicking their doors in.

There's a good chance the authorities are behind the DDOS attacks. Or ripple/litecoin supporters
But yeah I would chip in a few bitcoins to protect bitcoin.

Shermo

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If the reward got big enough though the DDOSer might just fake details, predict the next DDOS, claim the bounty and then lay low for a while happy and smug...

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Quote from: flix on April 18, 2013, 02:58:19 AM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on April 18, 2013, 02:51:05 AM

Quote from: mufa23 on April 18, 2013, 02:30:55 AM

Would be nice if some of the admins of the websites would come forth with info on where they are getting DDOS'd from. I understand that in certain circumstances that it's hard to trace the origin, but if they learn anything, I would gladly counter DDOS those servers, or help in other ways. As I am sure many other Bitcoin users would.

One does not simply get the source of Distributed DoS attack.

Botnets have owners who control them. Sure, it won't be easy. I couldn't do it. But somebody among the almost 100.000 bitcointalk members must be a security forensics expert, right?

If the reward is high enough... we might even get an insider tip from someone who knows the attackers... Even technically unassailable systems are socially vulnerable.

Now this is a good idea. Using Bitcoins to get community intel and tips. But how do you verify the information to make sure they aren't lying? The tip has to be prior to an attack not after. So it should be something like "if you can predict the place and time of the next attack you win the reward" or even more specific like "if you help us prevent the next DDOS attack you can win the reward bounty".

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