Topic: Death Toll Climbs As Israel Bombards Gaza - page 2. (Read 2897 times)

And you guys are just avoiding the issues; the main problem here isn't where Hamas has it's forces (not saying I like it), as I've just gave examples of, Israel doesn't care either way and is more than capable of attacking civilians on its own, not to mention the conditions it forces on the occupied territories.

If you're serious about this, address my previous comment:

They are good at asymmetric war, more Israel kill civilian cause of them more world will have sympathy for them, and sadly it work, this thread prove it.

Regardless of how you define hamas they are still mixing their "fighters" and weapons in with the civilian population.

If you mean the 100.000 that were apparently told to leave their homes in Gaza, perhaps a prelude to another ground invasion, you're missing a couple of things there. The vast majority of those living there are already refugees; they are already displaced. Also, there are no shelters in Gaza, and Egypt will almost certainly not let them leave; there is nowhere else for them to go. It makes for nice propaganda to say that, but it serves no practical purpose.

Also, again contrary to this idea that Israel does its best to avoid civilian casualties, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs has put out a statement saying that "the targeting and destruction of residential properties in Gaza is the main cause of civilian casualties". And notice, Israel is targeting the homes of people suspected of being involved in attacks. Again I stress, these are suspects that they are killing; maybe they're guilty, maybe they're innocent, but they die either way, sometimes along with their whole family in the process. And then there are other attacks like the one on Tuesday in which an Israeli missile hit a busy intersection near the main market, or the attack on a cafe by the beach in which people were watching the world cup, which killed I don't know how many civilians needlessly. And this to say nothing of the day to day lives of Palestinians, when the cameras aren't there.

These are war crimes. And so is intentionally keeping the economy of the occupied territories on the brink of collapse, or if you will, according to Israeli officials themselves, just slightly above a humanitarian crisis.

Do us both a favor before you answer; see this video (it's 8 minutes long): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DX6XWwnago. My sentiments mirror his: I'm not saying these things because I don't like Israel or some such; I'm saying it because I see that this can't possibly end well for either side, and would really like to not see that happen.

for the UN Gaza still an Egyptian territory, so hamas is not an army but a terrorist militia...

The palistines are keeping their army mixed in with civilians forcing collateral damage when Israel tries to defend itself.

hamas do whatever they can to help it happen...

Ahh I really disagree in the way Jews handle this.
They have one of the most advanced anti air systems, while Hamas has some poor rockets.
Therefore, the Palestinians can't harm the Jews.
For every launched rocket, the Jews will launch their aircraft and bombard the Palestinians.
That is unfair. The Jews need to stop that shit. They are killing little kids. PERIOD

Don't forget Israel phone call Palestinian before fire. Hamas said Israel call random people and they will not fire...
Hamas fire rocket from civil building with family so Israel fire back one them, it's a war crime...
Sometimes Hamas even lock building door to be sure civilian will be killed...

Israel-Palestine is really just a non-ending shithole of hate and retaliation killings for decades. Both sides are guilty, and both need to let it go and work out their territorial disputes through compromise.

"When you have to carry you own daughter to a hospital in a pool of blood, you are in Gaza."

That statement is now scarily applicable to Novorossia as well.

Why is it that nobody gives a damn about palestinian lives lost?
Life is life surely
Hope things cool off soon, what's going on is scary

Death to liars and deceivers.

Death to these 'palestinians' and their criminal ways that wrap the truth while clearly ignoring their own faults that dwarfs the mistake of israel.

Hard to receive what you try to dish out eh?

You made your bed when you stole. Crawl back to jordan or syria or lebanon and leave the jews to their place on earth. Let me squat in your house for a change. I might use your women while I'm at it

Oh, didn't you hear? Those were Palestinian suicide homes ramming themselves into peaceful Israeli bulldozers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3by9FoEFB8).

Now, seriously, when I hear people defending Israel's every move in all this, I can't help but wonder what they would do if they were in the Palestinian's place. I mean, driven out of your homes; having your people's land and water supplies constantly stolen from you; the economy purposefully kept on the brink of collapse, just slightly above a humanitarian crisis, by the occupying power; and being beaten or killed if you look at the nearest Israeli soldier the wrong way. Doesn't sound like a fun place to me.

Not that any of this justifies attacking civilians in retaliation, but I think many people here completely fail at putting themselves in others' shoes.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/11/israel-air-strikes-gaza-foreign-criticism-netanyahu


The UN's top human rights official has called for an investigation into Israeli air strikes on Gaza, on the grounds that the targeting of Palestinian homes – resulting in a high death toll among civilians, particularly children – could violate international law. The warning from Navi Pillay, the UN high commissioner for human rights, came on the fourth day of Israel's bombing of the Gaza Strip and a rocket barrage of Israel by Islamic militants.

However, the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, said his government would not be deflected by criticism from abroad, refusing to rule out a ground offensive and vowing there would be more air strikes. So far more than 100 Palestinians have been killed, mostly civilians, including at least 23 children. More than 670 have been injured. There have as yet been no Israeli fatalities.

Pillay said her office had received "deeply disturbing reports that many of the civilian casualties, including children, occurred as a result of strikes on homes" in Gaza. "Such reports raise serious doubt about whether the Israeli strikes have been in accordance with international humanitarian law and international human rights law."

Pillay added that the "indiscriminate firing of rockets from Gaza" could also constitute a breach.

"Every alleged breach of international law must be promptly, independently, thoroughly and effectively investigated, with a view to ensuring justice and reparations for the victims," she said.

Netanyahu shrugged off foreign criticism and said the Israeli bombing would continue unabated. "No international pressure will prevent us from acting with all power," he said, claiming to have had "good conversations" with several world leaders in recent days, including Barack Obama and European heads of government. He claimed Israeli planes and drones had attacked more than 1,000 targets in Gaza so far this week, adding, "there are still more to go". The Israeli prime minister said Israel had already struck Gaza with twice the force used during the last offensive of its kind in 2012, and he would not rule out following the air campaign with an incursion by ground troops. "We are weighing all possibilities and preparing for all possibilities," he said.

Israeli forces have been warning of imminent air strikes with the use of mobile phone texts and warning shots on the roofs of targeted buildings, but children are believed to constitute such a high proportion of the dead partly because they are often the most afraid to leave their homes while their neighbourhoods are being bombed. When Pillay visited Gaza and Israel in 2011 in the wake of a similar exchange of fire, she said that both Hamas and the Israeli government should be held liable for war crimes and that Israeli forces had committed crimes against humanity.

"Israel, Hamas, and Palestinian armed groups in Gaza have been down this road before, and it has led only to death, destruction, distrust and a painful prolongation of the conflict," Pillay said on Friday. UN officials said the current air strikes would have to be investigated further before a judgment on potential war crimes could be made.

Israel was reported to have been hit by 809 rockets and 61 mortars from Gaza this week. While nobody has been killed, according to local media reports, nine Israeli civilians have so far been hurt in the scramble to take cover after air-raid sirens. Jens Laerke, spokesman of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), told journalists: "More than 340 housing units in Gaza have been severely damaged or completely destroyed. As a result, more than 2,000 people have been displaced.

"Our aid workers on the ground report that people in Gaza are gripped by fear, the streets are empty and the shops are closed."

Western media have trouble with geography - again.

ABC airs Gaza bombing devastation images - says it's in Israel
http://rt.com/news/172080-gaza-israel-bombing-abc/

... And the fact that those 72 virgins may not all be females... Or even humans... Just sayin'...

How long has the killing been going on?

Isn't it surprising they never run out of people to kill?

Well the people in South-East Ukraine / Novorossia had to learn to imagine it really fast...

Seems that Jews in Israel and Jews in the office in Kiev use the same tactics.

9 killed while watching World Cup as Israeli missile hits Gaza beach café (VIDEO, PHOTOS)
http://rt.com/news/171908-gaza-killed-world-cup/