I reckon you're the author of that video?
You're just using false dichotomy to make an impression of creating some novel thought.
Not to mention other things, you failed to explain why can't "trade" (of any sort) be considered a "use".
You might as well "debunk" the use case of bicycles in your next video, creating a division between "use" and "ride".
Topic: Debunking the Myth of Bitcoin's Use Case - page 3. (Read 524 times)
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I think there are many facets and interpretations of the term ‘use case’.
For instance, from a software design and engineering perspective (ISO/IEC/IEEE 42010:2011, Systems and Software Engineering — Architecture Description), the use case could be the problem bitcoin solved, which is ‘double-spending without a central authority.’ As far as my understanding goes, Satoshi was a great maestro in putting all the software stack together to achieve that goal, as we can learn in the research by Narayanan, A. and Clark, J. (2017) ‘Bitcoin’s Academic Pedigree: The concept of cryptocurrencies is built from forgotten ideas in research literature,’ ACM Queue, pp. 20–49. Available at: https://doi.org/10.1145/3134434.3136559.
If I am not mistaken, the OP video reference has a more socio-economic application of Bitcoin.
The core argument of the video is that the only thing you can do with Bitcoin is to trade it on the market, there is no actual use for Bitcoin.
This argument ignores the great invention that Bitcoin represents solving the double-spending problem without a central authority. This is a breakthrough in computer science and cryptography that enables a new form of decentralised trust and digital scarcity. Bitcoin is not just a trading asset; it is a paradigm shift in how we can exchange value and coordinate with each other online.
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I think there are many facets and interpretations of the term ‘use case’.
For instance, from a software design and engineering perspective (ISO/IEC/IEEE 42010:2011, Systems and Software Engineering — Architecture Description), the use case could be the problem bitcoin solved, which is ‘double-spending without a central authority.’ As far as my understanding goes, Satoshi was a great maestro in putting all the software stack together to achieve that goal, as we can learn in the research by Narayanan, A. and Clark, J. (2017) ‘Bitcoin’s Academic Pedigree: The concept of cryptocurrencies is built from forgotten ideas in research literature,’ ACM Queue, pp. 20–49. Available at: https://doi.org/10.1145/3134434.3136559.
If I am not mistaken, the OP video reference has a more socio-economic application of Bitcoin.
The core argument of the video is that the only thing you can do with Bitcoin is to trade it on the market, there is no actual use for Bitcoin.
This argument ignores the great invention that Bitcoin represents solving the double-spending problem without a central authority. This is a breakthrough in computer science and cryptography that enables a new form of decentralised trust and digital scarcity. Bitcoin is not just a trading asset; it is a paradigm shift in how we can exchange value and coordinate with each other online.
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I see you're stilling creating new thread which recycle your points from many previous threads. I've also watched the videos since it's only 3:58 long.
Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-stories-on-bitcoins-value-5476352
Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-and-the-urban-myth-of-the-money-of-the-future-5474861
Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-simple-reason-why-bitcoin-is-not-money-5472154
Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-simple-reason-why-bitcoin-and-crypto-prices-must-fall-to-zero-5467415
Anyway, when i purchase something with Bitcoin, personally i consider it as usage.
Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-stories-on-bitcoins-value-5476352
You've all probably heard the stories on Bitcoin's value. Stories that portray Bitcoin not only as valuable, but precious. Stories by which buying bitcoins is one of the smartest things you can do. Well, all of that is just cheap propaganda. A bait to lure you to buy something worthless.
Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-and-the-urban-myth-of-the-money-of-the-future-5474861
Finally, crypto units cannot be drunk, eaten, built into products, worn as jewelry, viewed as a picture or movie, or listened to as music. In short, they do not have an intrinsic value that creates a certain amount of benefit through the fulfillment of human needs, for this benefit to serve as a reference for the value of these units.
Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-simple-reason-why-bitcoin-is-not-money-5472154
Let's therefore assume that those 100 units are 100 apples. Apples can fulfill the purpose of nutrion. By knowing that purpose, you can evaluate whether it is worth giving your bike for those 100 units. The same is true for other products that have historically been money - livestock, grain, wine, fur, metals, etc. All these products were able to fulfill purposes beyond serving as a medium of exchange. That was then used for estimating how many other products to give for them.
Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-simple-reason-why-bitcoin-and-crypto-prices-must-fall-to-zero-5467415
For example. By wheat having a nutritional purpose, speculators approximately know how valuable it is to consumers and whether prices are cheap or expensive. Similarly, by fiat currencies having the purpose of paying debt to the banks and by debtors facing foreclosures in case of default, speculators know these currencies are worth to debtors somewhere in the range of pledged collaterals. Meaning, they will not trade houses for a specific number of currency units if they see that banks take cars as collateral when issuing that number of units.
Anyway, when i purchase something with Bitcoin, personally i consider it as usage.
A short educational video explains the difference between 'trading an item' and 'using an item' to show that there's no such thing as a 'Bitcoin use case': https://youtu.be/uNzs9JAKjMY
Lol bitcoin wouldn’t have its price today if it did not have any real world use case, do you think investors are just passing off bitcoin to one another for no reason at all?
The reason why people are so eager to buy bitcoin no matter how expensive it might get is because there is functionality if you own a coin. People are purchasing different kinds of goods that are only being sold in exchange of bitcoin so I wouldn’t call that exactly useless.
Exactly. That what you call 'use' is actually 'trade'. You just transfered the coin to another buyer or you were the buyer to whome the coin was transferred. None of you were 'using' the coin but just trade it. Whoever buys the coin is forced to sell it - to dump it on someone else, exactly because the coin cannot be used for anything. It's completely useless. That's the whole point demonstrated by the video.
So by that definition, money is useless, right? So, do you want to Venmo me, or go via PayPal...?
Exactly. That what you call 'use' is actually 'trade'. You just transfered the coin to another buyer or you were the buyer to whome the coin was transferred. None of you were 'using' the coin but just trade it. Whoever buys the coin is forced to sell it - to dump it on someone else, exactly because the coin cannot be used for anything. It's completely useless. That's the whole point demonstrated by the video.
So by that definition, money is useless, right? So, do you want to Venmo me, or go via PayPal...?
OK, so you're telling me all the times I ever got paid in Bitcoin for services/products, that wasn't a use?
All the times I ever used Bitcoin to purchase any sort of physical or digital item, that also wasn't a use?
Seems like the person who wrote the script for this video has extremely limited hands-on experience with Bitcoin. I don't even have an account on a single exchange anymore.
Exactly. That what you call 'use' is actually 'trade'. You just transfered the coin to another buyer or you were the buyer to whome the coin was transferred. None of you were 'using' the coin but just trade it. Whoever buys the coin is forced to sell it - to dump it on someone else, exactly because the coin cannot be used for anything. It's completely useless. That's the whole point demonstrated by the video.All the times I ever used Bitcoin to purchase any sort of physical or digital item, that also wasn't a use?
Seems like the person who wrote the script for this video has extremely limited hands-on experience with Bitcoin. I don't even have an account on a single exchange anymore.
In the video you said that you can not return bitcoin to its issuer but that is because no entity owns the entire bitcoin network. We, the society, get to decide whether we would want to own it or not.
Calling bitcoin useless is a bit reaching. I do get the logic behind your ‘trade use’ but bitcoin being used to purchase something else is still useful. It might not exactly have the same meaning you keep saying of a use case but it’s also not fair to just straight up call it useless.
I don't need to further watching the video because the While I've gone was already fictional forgery of inaccuracy and misrepresentations.
If bitcoin is not a Coin in used aside trading and holding for assets then I'd recommend you on a clear conscience to checkout on El Salvador Adopted Bitcoin as an Official Currency.
You can also check out on most top trading firms which accepts bitcoin for means of payments such as the Microsoft, Newegg, Jamashop, Pacsun and many others evening my locality there are individual running small business firms who accepts bitcoin.
What do you think is the used of multiple bitcoin installed there in Walmart for it it's not for payments and exchange purposes.
I find this video clip irritating not because it's against bitcoin but it's illiciting of false rumours towards a bitcoin technology with series of potentials. I should just let you know that the primarily purpose of bitcoin is alternative means of payments before considering the other potentials of holding for assets.
Don't be fooled for the dollar in question is also traded for assets uses in the local countries as the USD is a universal currency so also the bitcoin is not segregated to be limited in used to other countries unless the individual countries choose to have it on hold but yet it never changes the global attributes of bitcoin being a global digital currency.
Paying, buying, selling, transferring, exchanging... All that means trading Bitcoin. It means that Bitcoin can be exchanged among market participants, that it has a 'trade case'. But no one who buys it can use it for something. That means that Bitcoin lacks a use case. If bitcoin is not a Coin in used aside trading and holding for assets then I'd recommend you on a clear conscience to checkout on El Salvador Adopted Bitcoin as an Official Currency.
You can also check out on most top trading firms which accepts bitcoin for means of payments such as the Microsoft, Newegg, Jamashop, Pacsun and many others evening my locality there are individual running small business firms who accepts bitcoin.
What do you think is the used of multiple bitcoin installed there in Walmart for it it's not for payments and exchange purposes.
I find this video clip irritating not because it's against bitcoin but it's illiciting of false rumours towards a bitcoin technology with series of potentials. I should just let you know that the primarily purpose of bitcoin is alternative means of payments before considering the other potentials of holding for assets.
Don't be fooled for the dollar in question is also traded for assets uses in the local countries as the USD is a universal currency so also the bitcoin is not segregated to be limited in used to other countries unless the individual countries choose to have it on hold but yet it never changes the global attributes of bitcoin being a global digital currency.
exactly because the coin cannot be used for anything. It's completely useless. That's the whole point demonstrated by the video.
I trade my useless paper i.e. fiat for Bitcoin.I use Bitcoin to stay away from useless paper, increase my privacy and have full control over my coins.
If you think it's not the use case of Bitcoin, you need to tell me which asset that can be owned as much as possible and no one can see that, no one can access the asset except someone who know the password, can be carry in anywhere, and the value keep increase overtime.
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Bitcoin is a P2P Electronic Cash System[1], its major use case is to allow people transact easily without the need for a third party.A use case broadly refers to a situation where a product offers a solution to its users. If I anted to trade with you, I would without Bitcoin, I will need to know which country you are in, register on a payment platform supported by both countries, pay good fees and sometimes wait for a while for the payment to be transferred, with Bitcoin I do not need any of that, does not matter if you are my next door neighbor or if you are all the way around the world. And no third party can stop or regulate our transaction.
We are both also assured that our transactions are immutable.
There is no other way to use a digital currency.
[1] https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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I don't need to further watching the video because the While I've gone was already fictional forgery of inaccuracy and misrepresentations.
If bitcoin is not a Coin in used aside trading and holding for assets then I'd recommend you on a clear conscience to checkout on El Salvador Adopted Bitcoin as an Official Currency.
You can also check out on most top trading firms which accepts bitcoin for means of payments such as the Microsoft, Newegg, Jamashop, Pacsun and many others evening my locality there are individual running small business firms who accepts bitcoin.
What do you think is the used of multiple bitcoin installed there in Walmart for it it's not for payments and exchange purposes.
I find this video clip irritating not because it's against bitcoin but it's illiciting of false rumours towards a bitcoin technology with series of potentials. I should just let you know that the primarily purpose of bitcoin is alternative means of payments before considering the other potentials of holding for assets.
Don't be fooled for the dollar in question is also traded for assets uses in the local countries as the USD is a universal currency so also the bitcoin is not segregated to be limited in used to other countries unless the individual countries choose to have it on hold but yet it never changes the global attributes of bitcoin being a global digital currency.
If bitcoin is not a Coin in used aside trading and holding for assets then I'd recommend you on a clear conscience to checkout on El Salvador Adopted Bitcoin as an Official Currency.
You can also check out on most top trading firms which accepts bitcoin for means of payments such as the Microsoft, Newegg, Jamashop, Pacsun and many others evening my locality there are individual running small business firms who accepts bitcoin.
What do you think is the used of multiple bitcoin installed there in Walmart for it it's not for payments and exchange purposes.
I find this video clip irritating not because it's against bitcoin but it's illiciting of false rumours towards a bitcoin technology with series of potentials. I should just let you know that the primarily purpose of bitcoin is alternative means of payments before considering the other potentials of holding for assets.
Don't be fooled for the dollar in question is also traded for assets uses in the local countries as the USD is a universal currency so also the bitcoin is not segregated to be limited in used to other countries unless the individual countries choose to have it on hold but yet it never changes the global attributes of bitcoin being a global digital currency.
Exactly. That what you call 'use' is actually 'trade'. You just transfered the coin to another buyer or you were the buyer to whome the coin was transferred. None of you were 'using' the coin but just trade it. Whoever buys the coin is forced to sell it - to dump it on someone else, exactly because the coin cannot be used for anything. It's completely useless. That's the whole point demonstrated by the video.
You definitely need to get your facts checked because a lot of people around the globe are successfully using Bitcoin for a lot of things and not just buying or selling it. Some months ago, there was news that people in Argentina were using Bitcoins to buy properties. What do you call that then? Isn't that a use case? And if not, then even fiat currencies don't have any use case because if you are using fiat to buy a property, you are trading it for another item and not using it, hence no currency in the world has any use case or anything in general.
Bitcoin can be used just as any other currency in the world as long as there are people willing to accept it for goods and services, and there are some who are accepting Bitcoin which means that it does have use cases and isn't just a coin that is traded in the markets. You probably need to do more research before you reach conclusions or start making assumptions on things.
OK, so you're telling me all the times I ever got paid in Bitcoin for services/products, that wasn't a use?
All the times I ever used Bitcoin to purchase any sort of physical or digital item, that also wasn't a use?
Seems like the person who wrote the script for this video has extremely limited hands-on experience with Bitcoin. I don't even have an account on a single exchange anymore.
Exactly. That what you call 'use' is actually 'trade'. You just transfered the coin to another buyer or you were the buyer to whome the coin was transferred. None of you were 'using' the coin but just trade it. Whoever buys the coin is forced to sell it - to dump it on someone else, exactly because the coin cannot be used for anything. It's completely useless. That's the whole point demonstrated by the video.All the times I ever used Bitcoin to purchase any sort of physical or digital item, that also wasn't a use?
Seems like the person who wrote the script for this video has extremely limited hands-on experience with Bitcoin. I don't even have an account on a single exchange anymore.
In the video you said that you can not return bitcoin to its issuer but that is because no entity owns the entire bitcoin network. We, the society, get to decide whether we would want to own it or not.
Calling bitcoin useless is a bit reaching. I do get the logic behind your ‘trade use’ but bitcoin being used to purchase something else is still useful. It might not exactly have the same meaning you keep saying of a use case but it’s also not fair to just straight up call it useless.
OK, so you're telling me all the times I ever got paid in Bitcoin for services/products, that wasn't a use?
All the times I ever used Bitcoin to purchase any sort of physical or digital item, that also wasn't a use?
Seems like the person who wrote the script for this video has extremely limited hands-on experience with Bitcoin. I don't even have an account on a single exchange anymore.
Exactly. That what you call 'use' is actually 'trade'. You just transfered the coin to another buyer or you were the buyer to whome the coin was transferred. None of you were 'using' the coin but just trade it. Whoever buys the coin is forced to sell it - to dump it on someone else, exactly because the coin cannot be used for anything. It's completely useless. That's the whole point demonstrated by the video. All the times I ever used Bitcoin to purchase any sort of physical or digital item, that also wasn't a use?
Seems like the person who wrote the script for this video has extremely limited hands-on experience with Bitcoin. I don't even have an account on a single exchange anymore.
OK, so you're telling me all the times I ever got paid in Bitcoin for services/products, that wasn't a use?
All the times I ever used Bitcoin to purchase any sort of physical or digital item, that also wasn't a use?
Seems like the person who wrote the script for this video has extremely limited hands-on experience with Bitcoin. I don't even have an account on a single exchange anymore.
All the times I ever used Bitcoin to purchase any sort of physical or digital item, that also wasn't a use?
Seems like the person who wrote the script for this video has extremely limited hands-on experience with Bitcoin. I don't even have an account on a single exchange anymore.
A short educational video explains the difference between 'trading an item' and 'using an item' to show that there's no such thing as a 'Bitcoin use case': https://youtu.be/uNzs9JAKjMY
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