December 2015 "Fastest Crypto" Bake-Off (topic locked) - page 2.

r0ach

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Quote from: Peachy on October 10, 2015, 07:40:43 PM

I'm a "shill" now? Gee, what did I ever do to turn your crank?

Peachy, you may be the most classic textbook definition of a shill ever created. You don't post very often, and the only time you do post over an entire year is specifically talking about one thing, Emunie. You don't post about Bitcoin, you don't post about economics, you don't post about politics, you don't post about other coins, you only post about Emunie. Your posts also seem to be coordinated to within minutes of every Dan post like you're his sister or girlfriend or something living in the same house...

Please do not try and insult people's intelligence here and pretend that you aren't pushing a flat out propaganda campaign.

Quote from: Peachy on October 10, 2015, 07:40:43 PM

You don't hear me squawking about how you are an obvious Bitshares shill do you?

I clearly stated in the following post that due to every coin having probabilistic security models open to black swan events, there would likely be 3-5 top coins with no coin having a monopoly and Bitshares + Emunie were the two current most likely candidates besides BTC:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-state-of-crypto-the-only-serious-thread-on-the-subforum-1171109

There is more uncertainty surrounding Emunie than Bitshares though, so of course Bitshares is the current safest/best choice. Due to the way the Emunie monetary system works, early adopters are probably likely to make more money in Bitshares as well.

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Quote from: r0ach on October 10, 2015, 12:15:29 AM

Quote from: kennyP on October 09, 2015, 11:23:48 PM

Great idea!!

Most crypto agnostics here who aren't priests in any particular crypto religion just want to see good coins, platforms & developers well supported, so a Crypto Olympics to help the cream float to the top would be really cool ... and FUN!!

The problem, as I already stated, is that speed is irrelevant until you can show the system functions in the wild without imploding from one of it's own flaws, being exploited to death, or showing it doesn't have deficiencies that a regular blockchain doesn't. The original poster made the thread under the guise of being a non-biased 3rd party, yet it's blatantly obvious it's an Emunie sock puppet account trying to do something like increase IPO payout. Dan isn't stupid and has a good chance of possibly creating something viable, but trying to insult people's intelligence by having obvious shills like "peachy" and this guy posting and pretending to be non-biased observers doesn't help.

I'm a "shill" now? Gee, what did I ever do to turn your crank? You don't hear me squawking about how you are an obvious Bitshares shill do you?

I was trying to keep the topic fun and entertaining (as crypto should be), but alas some have lost site of the original intent and focus for why they joined this fight years ago. I have "sampled" the crypto appetizer menu for years, but I keep coming back to the one that is most fair, easiest to understand (for a relatively non-technical person) and (most importantly) has an elastic monetary supply model (which is the ONLY one that will succeed as a true currency per the Quantity Theory of Money).

Here's hoping we can move past the petty name calling and get to something more meaningful.

r0ach

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Quote from: Fuserleer on October 10, 2015, 06:51:50 AM

I'm beginning to get the feeling this is more of a witch-hunt rather than a real desire to understand and dissect.

Of course it's a witch hunt. Anything with an IPO is going to be under 10x more suspicion than a coin you can mine. I mean come on, do you know who you're talking to here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/should-ipos-be-banned-from-the-site-poll-443196

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Quote from: kennyP on October 10, 2015, 01:57:40 AM

Quote from: r0ach on October 10, 2015, 12:15:29 AM

Quote from: kennyP on October 09, 2015, 11:23:48 PM

Great idea!!

Most crypto agnostics here who aren't priests in any particular crypto religion just want to see good coins, platforms & developers well supported, so a Crypto Olympics to help the cream float to the top would be really cool ... and FUN!!

The problem, as I already stated, is that speed is irrelevant until you can show the system functions in the wild without imploding from one of it's own flaws, being exploited to death, or showing it doesn't have deficiencies that a regular blockchain doesn't. The original poster made the thread under the guise of being a non-biased 3rd party, yet it's blatantly obvious it's an Emunie sock puppet account trying to do something like increase IPO payout. Dan isn't stupid and has a good chance of possibly creating something viable, but trying to insult people's intelligence by having obvious shills like "peachy" and this guy posting and pretending to be non-biased observers doesn't help.

So part Olympics, part beauty pageant/bodybuilding pose off, part chat show .... an alt coin conference including all the main contenders of late 2015 would do the whole cryptosphere a ton of good, including bitcoin. I think that's what EvilDave was suggesting.

I support ALL the 'real' crypto projects, and I know I'll be an early adopter in any of the successful ones that go global ... all of us here on this forum will be if we stick around, so friendly competition and rivalry is good if it helps separate the wheat from the chaff. It might not provide conclusive proof but it's better than nothing, and it's better that marketing type 'claims'

Much +1 to KennyP......

I am tired of the name calling and childish zealotry, but even that's OK if it's done with humor. What I don't like are scams, and opponents and rivals using the prevalence of them to FUD legitimate alt coin projects. For some people on this forum that's all they do, and at a conference those people would be exposed as fools, assuming they were up to attending ... I'd go to a conference to watch that!

Fuserleer

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Quote from: r0ach on October 10, 2015, 06:39:43 AM

I was probably the first person to read Dan's high level overview blog of Emunie and the entire theme of it was balance sheets vs input/output blockchains. Now he's saying that is not the case and it's not a balance sheet or ledger, but something different. It's too hard to even discuss this thing if the goal posts are always up in the air or vaguely described.

He said I'm incorrectly describing the system. What do you expect? One second we got blocks, next second we got some type of DAG tree, then we got hatchers, then we don't got hatchers, what the hell is a hatcher anyway? How long until Evan Duffield randomly forks Darkcoin and renames them to Darkhatchers?

I don't believe I ever said balance sheets, usually I refer to is as balance tracking....if I did post balance sheets in a response to one of the 100s of questions anywhere, then thats my bad.

You are incorrectly describing the system, and stating it as "fact" in some of your negative posting. I've repeatedly stated that I'm working on the documentation that will describe it accurately and that forum posts hastily constructed to answer a question may have errors or wrong terminology.

On one hand you are stating its too difficult to understand without documentation, the next you are posting in threads that eMunie is going to blow up, that its not comparable to block chains or anything of the sort. How can you make these claims when you have stated you don't fully understand the system yet because I haven't presented all the documentation? I'm beginning to get the feeling this is more of a witch-hunt rather than a real desire to understand and dissect.

Further more, these changes you are talking of have been progress over 2 years or more, hardly sudden changes.

Fuserleer

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Quote from: r0ach on October 10, 2015, 12:15:29 AM

Quote from: kennyP on October 09, 2015, 11:23:48 PM

Great idea!!

Most crypto agnostics here who aren't priests in any particular crypto religion just want to see good coins, platforms & developers well supported, so a Crypto Olympics to help the cream float to the top would be really cool ... and FUN!!

The problem, as I already stated, is that speed is irrelevant until you can show the system functions in the wild without imploding from one of it's own flaws, being exploited to death, or showing it doesn't have deficiencies that a regular blockchain doesn't. The original poster made the thread under the guise of being a non-biased 3rd party, yet it's blatantly obvious it's an Emunie sock puppet account trying to do something like increase IPO payout. Dan isn't stupid and has a good chance of possibly creating something viable, but trying to insult people's intelligence by having obvious shills like "peachy" and this guy posting and pretending to be non-biased observers doesn't help.

The OP clearly stated in the initial post that he was biased towards eMunie, everyone around here has some sort of bias or allegiance to some project. Whether it be Bitcoin, Nxt, BitShares, Vanilla or whatever else the current flavor of the month is, just because there is bias, that doesn't mean that individual can't perform a valid test....believe it or not, some of us on here are mature enough to leave bias at the door in certain situations.

I really thought you had more intelligence and integrity than resorting to accusations of sock puppet/shill accounts to "win" your argument. Disappointing.

r0ach

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Quote from: Anima on October 10, 2015, 04:05:14 AM

As one of the emunie founders, i can tell you straight up that you are wrong.

Wingspan DOES have an emunie forum account.

I never said Dan and Wingspan are the same person. I said Wingspan made this thread with the intent to just hardcore shill for Emunie with no regard to doing an actual non-biased test. As for the other issue, I was probably the first person to read Dan's high level overview blog of Emunie and the entire theme of it was balance sheets vs input/output blockchains. Now he's saying that is not the case and it's not a balance sheet or ledger, but something different. It's too hard to even discuss this thing if the goal posts are always up in the air or vaguely described.

He said I'm incorrectly describing the system. What do you expect? One second we got blocks, next second we got some type of DAG tree, then we got hatchers, then we don't have hatchers, what the hell is a hatcher anyway? How long until Evan Duffield randomly forks Darkcoin and renames them to Darkhatchers?

Anima

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Quote from: r0ach on October 10, 2015, 12:15:29 AM

Quote from: kennyP on October 09, 2015, 11:23:48 PM

Great idea!!

Most crypto agnostics here who aren't priests in any particular crypto religion just want to see good coins, platforms & developers well supported, so a Crypto Olympics to help the cream float to the top would be really cool ... and FUN!!

The problem, as I already stated, is that speed is irrelevant until you can show the system functions in the wild without imploding from one of it's own flaws, being exploited to death, or showing it doesn't have deficiencies that a regular blockchain doesn't. The original poster made the thread under the guise of being a non-biased 3rd party, yet it's blatantly obvious it's an Emunie sock puppet account trying to do something like increase IPO payout. Dan isn't stupid and has a good chance of possibly creating something viable, but trying to insult people's intelligence by having obvious shills like "peachy" and this guy posting and pretending to be non-biased observers doesn't help.

As one of the emunie founders, i can tell you straight up that you are wrong.

Wingspan DOES have an emunie forum account. He's a beta tester along with alot more people on our own forum. You can even find info and pictures of Wingspan. A little googling around and you will find its an account that has ZERO to do with Dan. Please bury the hatchet gentlemen.

However, emunie IS interested in doing some 1 to 1 testing with other crypto to prove how far its come. In the past week, we've seen performance claims being way overinflated on a "real" testnet. All it does is it hurts the cryptocommunity - it implodes from the inside. What emunie offers is nothing more than a proof that the claims of 2500 tps peak - evidenced by both screenshots and direct video capture - are all attainable on hardware that can easily be sourced for a test like this. We use regular PC hardware - no asics or server grade hardware needed.

As it seems, the resistance towards this - hopefully fair - test is that it will show just how overinflated some claim are. Investors should demand these tests before they invest their money - else its just the old hype before launch, underdeliver and subsequent dump on exchanges. Everybody looses out - money and trust.

kennyP

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Quote from: r0ach on October 10, 2015, 12:15:29 AM

Quote from: kennyP on October 09, 2015, 11:23:48 PM

Great idea!!

Most crypto agnostics here who aren't priests in any particular crypto religion just want to see good coins, platforms & developers well supported, so a Crypto Olympics to help the cream float to the top would be really cool ... and FUN!!

The problem, as I already stated, is that speed is irrelevant until you can show the system functions in the wild without imploding from one of it's own flaws, being exploited to death, or showing it doesn't have deficiencies that a regular blockchain doesn't. The original poster made the thread under the guise of being a non-biased 3rd party, yet it's blatantly obvious it's an Emunie sock puppet account trying to do something like increase IPO payout. Dan isn't stupid and has a good chance of possibly creating something viable, but trying to insult people's intelligence by having obvious shills like "peachy" and this guy posting and pretending to be non-biased observers doesn't help.

So part Olympics, part beauty pageant/bodybuilding pose off, part chat show .... an alt coin conference including all the main contenders of late 2015 would do the whole cryptosphere a ton of good, including bitcoin. I think that's what EvilDave was suggesting.

I support ALL the 'real' crypto projects, and I know I'll be an early adopter in any of the successful ones that go global ... all of us here on this forum will be if we stick around, so friendly competition and rivalry is good if it helps separate the wheat from the chaff. It might not provide conclusive proof but it's better than nothing, and it's better that marketing type 'claims'

I am tired of the name calling and childish zealotry, but even that's OK if it's done with humor. What I don't like are scams, and opponents and rivals using the prevalence of them to FUD legitimate alt coin projects. For some people on this forum that's all they do, and at a conference those people would be exposed as fools, assuming they were up to attending ... I'd go to a conference to watch that!

r0ach

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Quote from: kennyP on October 09, 2015, 11:23:48 PM

Great idea!!

Most crypto agnostics here who aren't priests in any particular crypto religion just want to see good coins, platforms & developers well supported, so a Crypto Olympics to help the cream float to the top would be really cool ... and FUN!!

The problem, as I already stated, is that speed is irrelevant until you can show the system functions in the wild without imploding from one of it's own flaws, being exploited to death, or showing it doesn't have deficiencies that a regular blockchain doesn't. The original poster made the thread under the guise of being a non-biased 3rd party, yet it's blatantly obvious it's an Emunie sock puppet account trying to do something like increase IPO payout. Dan isn't stupid and has a good chance of possibly creating something viable, but trying to insult people's intelligence by having obvious shills like "peachy" and this guy posting and pretending to be non-biased observers doesn't help.

kennyP

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Quote from: EvilDave on October 09, 2015, 12:40:40 PM

I've got an idea, kids.

Why don't we do this on a larger scale, and more in the real world ?
Someone (preferably not me) set up a conference, invite all the leading cryptos to send a team to fight it out, both on their own rigs, and on an in-house LAN.
Add a speaker programme and some panels, invite lots of mainstream press, call it the Crypto Olympics, make a proper 2 or 3 day event of it.

Great idea!!

Most crypto agnostics here who aren't priests in any particular crypto religion just want to see good coins, platforms & developers well supported, so a Crypto Olympics to help the cream float to the top would be really cool ... and FUN!!

EvilDave

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I'll ask the boys.....think we can just about afford 0.2 BTC from our budget.
So put NXT down as a 'maybe'

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a few points for clarification I'll add to the OP:

The tests are meant to be using test currency on a test P2P network. I don't plan to connect to anything production. If the test can work by tapping into an existing testnet long enough to get synced, that would be fine.

I want to charge 0.2 BTC to only get serious entrants. I am happy to donate any excess (beyond my costs to the hosting company and the winner's fee) to the winner.

I do plan to take many screenshots as I go through the testing, and plan to document exactly what I do so others can verify I was not biased, hopefully.

-cheers.

p.s. I have not rec'd any confirmations yet of folks willing to enter the bake-off (other than Fuserleer's).

EvilDave

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Conferences are fun, mostly. But, yeah, I'm dragging this a bit off-topic.
Having said that.....I've been thinking about putting together a crypto-conference under the Nxt Foundation banner.
Open to all crypto's and projects.... (though all non-Nxt attendees will have to wear orange jumpsuits, obviously. Grin

)

Still, getting a conference together requires a certain amount of lead time......

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Quote from: EvilDave on October 09, 2015, 12:40:40 PM

I've got an idea, kids.

Why don't we do this on a larger scale, and more in the real world ?
Someone (preferably not me) set up a conference, invite all the leading cryptos to send a team to fight it out, both on their own rigs, and on an in-house LAN.
Add a speaker programme and some panels, invite lots of mainstream press, call it the Crypto Olympics, make a proper 2 or 3 day event of it.

I don't care how its done tbh, I just wanna have some fun amongst all the seriousness

EvilDave

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I've got an idea, kids.

Why don't we do this on a larger scale, and more in the real world ?
Someone (preferably not me) set up a conference, invite all the leading cryptos to send a team to fight it out, both on their own rigs, and on an in-house LAN.
Add a speaker programme and some panels, invite lots of mainstream press, call it the Crypto Olympics, make a proper 2 or 3 day event of it.

Fuserleer

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Quote from: Hangman01 on October 09, 2015, 11:06:21 AM

Well then you better get back to coding emunie then.

Lets hope your project is as fast as you reply. Unless of course you convince the op to move the tests back many months again cause how long now have you been talking shit about your "speedy" "working" project?

Ahh here cometh the trash talk

Better go to specsavers and get some new glasses!

Quote from: Fuserleer on October 09, 2015, 10:14:59 AM

I'm happy for OP to do some testing of eMunie next week with the next beta.

Hangman01

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Well then you better get back to coding emunie then.

Lets hope your project is as fast as you reply. Unless of course you convince the op to move the tests back many months again cause how long now have you been talking shit about your "speedy" "working" project?

Fuserleer

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Quote from: Hangman01 on October 09, 2015, 10:56:02 AM

And how do we know if op is qualified to do testing or will even do it correct?

A panel is needed. So the op doesnt just pick favorites from all the grandstanding in this thread already.

Tests need to be run by mult people, and youtubed for fairness.

Providing he presents the test results including the data from the tests, then anyone can verify the results....that is the beauty of crypto, block chains etc... So its impossible for him to "pick" his favorite and say that one won.

As for him doing the tests wrong, feel free to reproduce the tests yourself to adjudicate

I don't imaging anyone is going to take these results as defacto, or chose a technology for a project without doing further testing themselves.

Ultimately I see this test as a means to have a bit of fun, spur some rivalry, competitiveness and allocate bragging rights at best. I welcome it, especially as this community has frankly grown quite stale, boring and has become far too serious for its own good.

Everyone complains about bankers, yet all that happens around here is the same thing, endless threads on what coin is going to make the most fiat, whos scamming who, and generally a complete focus entirely on profit. Where did the passion go?

Hangman01

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And how do we know if op is qualified to do testing or will even do it correct?

A panel is needed. So the op doesnt just pick favorites from all the grandstanding in this thread already.

Tests need to be run by mult people, and youtubed for fairness.

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