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Topic: Decentralization is not the answer - page 2. (Read 1608 times)

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May 12, 2014, 09:40:56 PM
#8
Before Central Banks, banking was decentralized and it was a mess.

Well, back then the communication network was not sufficient to support a decentralized monetary/banking system. I think Bitcoin has proven that that is no longer the case.

Of course, not everything can be decentralized, but it will be fun to see what happens.

It was a mess because each bank issued their own notes. 

BTC isn't decentralized banking if you are using the term correctly.  Its more of a P2P public ledger system.  People say its decentralized because there's no Central Bank that regulates the supply of money

But its worse than Central Banks because the supply is artificially limited w known timeframe.  That's the reason why it attracts speculators.

Money is only useful if it helps stimulate economic activity.  Otherwise its just an abstract concept.

The incentive of Central Banks are not to make money (profit).  This is just some misunderstood myth in the bitcoin world.  Bitcoin speculators spread this fear to get lemmings into bitcoin and drive up price.  The Central Banks incentive is to keep the economy going.  They increase money supply in times where liquidity is needed and the decrease supply when discipline is needed.  Elasticity vs Discipline is the money view of Central Bankers.

If economies had no Central controls they would be subject to boom & bust business cycles.  And that can lead to catastrophe like what we saw in Great Depression leading to Weinmar hyperinflation leading to WW2
legendary
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May 12, 2014, 09:17:18 PM
#7
Before Central Banks, banking was decentralized and it was a mess.

Well, back then the communication network was not sufficient to support a decentralized monetary/banking system. I think Bitcoin has proven that that is no longer the case.

Of course, not everything can be decentralized, but it will be fun to see what happens.
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May 12, 2014, 09:03:49 PM
#6
Seriously,  I'm so sick of people throwing around this term "decentralized".  Before Central Banks, banking was decentralized and it was a mess.  

You want a Central Bank to create money otherwise itll be like land where aristocratic dynasties own all the land simply cause their ancestors got there first and staked it out

I remember 25 years ago when postmodernism was trendy in academia and this term " decentralization" was all the rage. Didn't mean squat then and it doesn't mean anything now
legendary
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May 12, 2014, 05:01:36 PM
#5
fully 100% decentralized is a very disorganized cauldron of bubbling goop.

buy a 95% decentralized. where there is at-least organizers and peace keepers (moderators) can work, as long as there are not 'controllers' that select limited options and only display voting options based on their biased opinions.


so imagine this
a 'jobs website
where people/businesses can list their goals/tasks they want to achieve. and have a bounty (their costs). then anyone and everyone can put money into that listing, and when filled that person/business carries out their task

imagine this
"bitpay: hold an actual meeting with amazon and show them how to integrate bitcoin: costs=plane ticket+hotel(1BTC)"
"Userxy: get 3 merchants in my town to accept bitcoin: costs=3hours labour(0.1btc)"
"AndreasA: to speak at a government hearing about bitcoin: cost=plane ticket+hotel(1BTC)"

this way people are not paid wages for sitting on their asses, and each task can be individually funded, instead of there being losers or winners.
also it stops vote rigging as the only time these people get paid is by pople that want them to do something. thus if they put their own money in they are simply paying themselves. which is not going to work well compared to 'buying votes'

so instead of putting in large fee's to be a member, people save this money and use it to pay for actual tasks and goals to be filled. this stops the corruption of board members getting paid simply for owning a website and appearing to be an authority
legendary
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May 12, 2014, 04:56:48 PM
#4
"Decentralization" is a bad concept, not because the people advocating for it have bad intentions, but because as a goal it's not sufficiently precise.

http://bitcoinism.blogspot.com/2014/03/decentralized-applications-its-time-for.html

The "decentralize all the things!" approach to every problem under the sun is like using a shotgun where a scalpel would be more appropriate.
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eidoo wallet
May 12, 2014, 04:50:14 PM
#3
The bitcoin foundation is not decentralized, but is still needed. What decentralized social networks are you talking about?

I've seen someone posted about having one in the Projects section. The network won't be run by moderators, and also won't store ip addresses, which makes absolutely no sense, because if someone commits a crime(scamming, blackmailing, threats, etc etc), it will be even harder to catch them(assuming they don't use a proxy/TOR), and without moderators, the whole site would be in Chaos.
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May 12, 2014, 04:45:02 PM
#2
The bitcoin foundation is not decentralized, but is still needed. What decentralized social networks are you talking about?
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eidoo wallet
May 12, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
#1
So, I'm realising that many people are hooked on this "decentralization" word.

While bitcoin may be decentralized, as it's not controlled by a group of people, rather by everyone in a sense(or the majority), people are also wanting decentralized bitcoin foundations for example..

You Cannot compare the bitcoin protocol to human beings, bitcoin is math and code, humans are emotions and thoughts.

And because you cannot compare them, there is no use in trying to create decentralized things like a bitcoin foundation, or a decentralized social network.. Those things will never work because of

They have no guidance(A decentralized foundation/social network would have no moderators since it's "decentralized", resulting in it being overtaken by trolls, spammers, scammers, etc with No consequences..

And many more, but I'm off to work..
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