Topic: Decentralize Bitcointalk - page 3. (Read 703 times)

I've never ever seen someone on this forum pick out the first 10 words of a post and respond to nothing else.

I am completely fine with being on your ignore list simply because you are uneducated - you clearly have no idea what decentralizing the forum means on a technical level, and yet you are so confident in judging others, like calling the OP a joker and then making such a large post just because I said, "shame on you" for calling the OP a joker.

Good luck to you and your forum journey. Keep up that attitude and you're bound to make a lot of friends

It's also worth to mention creating spam post become far easier since there's no risk account ban and IP blacklist.

I don't think it's possible but the only way a forum can be decentralized is if it is a darknet on the dark web. And Theymos' has said that Bitcointalk is not a darknet so how can it be on the dark web?

Every web hosting company is owned by somebody or a company, and every decision of that web company is made by that person or company instead of a peer-to-peer system, so it's no longer decentralized

I think Theymos did that as a precaution to be safe from all those centralized organizations. The mixers could be hit by the governmental organizations anytime and someone like Theymos who always thinks about the betterment of this forum would never want the users to face any problems that may arise because of the mixers or advertising of the mixers.

I believe no governmental organization directly contacted Theymos to remove mixer's campaigns from this forum, it was just a precautionary decision to protect the forum and its users from all those things that can happen in future. Two of the mixers that were advertising on this forum got seized by the governmental authorities and who knows which mixer is next in the list.

I'm not saying that the rest of the mixers are doing anything shady but I believe the decision was taken as precautionary action to stop from the damages that can happen in future. The other forum and its admin is aware of this thing but still those mixers aren't the ones who did wrong and that's why he's willing allowing those mixers to advertise on that forum.

Banning bitcointalk is not affecting the Bitcoin network in any way. Sure, it's the digital museum of Bitcoin, but enthusiasts can already migrate elsewhere.

Decentralizing a forum is not proved sustainable. Scaling is a nightmare, works more complexly, moderation is minimum if not zero (which is pretty much the same as here), and will probably incentivize users to use a third party. I have used nostr, which is a decentralized social network like Twitter, and it's even worse than Twitter.

And BTW, bitcointalk is not scheduled to be banned.

Sometimes you only get told what they want you to hear - I'm not saying theymos is lying, but when you have no way of checking facts, you believe whatever they tell you at your own risk.

Some information is labelled "classified," and you don't dare to reveal the source.

Decentralization still lack adoption

Theymos did not ask it, government did not ask theymos to do it.

Theymos only asked forum staffs to stop advertising mixers through signature campaigns after the CM break down.

Given that this forum is located on a server in the US, do you believe that one day when China becomes a "dominant superpower" (whatever that means) that same China will conquer the US and ban this forum?

China has already had internet censorship for a long time, as has Russia, where this forum is banned - but that in itself speaks volumes about them as countries that are actually regressing in terms of human rights, regardless of the theory about some kind of superpowers. At the moment, decentralization would only be possible if the forum were moved to a server located in a country like North Korea, but let's ask what would happen only then, not only in the sense that the forum would come under general surveillance, but that the privacy and security of all forum members would be threatened, unless you think you can be completely anonymous online?

When did this happen?



Yeah, they are so afraid of it they are pissing their pants...of joy!
They are going to ban a forum in which payments are going to be made soon in USDT because of the fees and campaign are already paying in in $ denominated value not Bitcoin. This forum is the complete opposite of what you're envision, if it does one thing is spreading the dollar as everything discuss here is in $ value!

There is no need to decentralize the forum, everything is fine the way it is, after all, we need someone to manage all of this, or what do you think it would be like? It would be a total mess, right?

You just never know! When you're under the government's thumb, each decision has an impact on you. You, of all people, should be aware of this. Whoever feeds you has authority over you.

It's nearly 2024, brother- How do you feel about becoming a troll bot? Isn't it past time for a change?

This is an odd and bold statement from a traitor, after all you above all should know this is not true, no government agency asked this forum to stop facilitating the advertisement of mixers, as a moderator of altcoinhack forum you should know this.
Unless your garbage forum and it's KYC verified admin is not hosted in US and the admin is not actually KYC verified as stated on his profile, which makes him a liar. And one has to wonder as to why they hired you as a moderator without doing any background checks on you. I guess they were too desperate and as soon as they saw you are a DT here, they thought it's the best move to make. While they have no idea that you have zero influence here, at least they didn't count on me to be active around these woods. Only if I manage to figure out who the admin is over there. None of you traitors will be safe here then.

I don't think its a terrible idea necessarily but it would likely result in a slower, more cumbersome experience, with the potential for bad actors to ruin its historical legacy. I prefer the idea of leaving the forum exactly as the way it was during the time of satoshi. When visitors come here to read satoshi's old posts, I can't help but think they'd want to read them in an environment/layout that was exactly the same way as it was when he wrote them.

We are living inside a historical museum; we should treat it and regard it as such.

You started off on the wrong foot with no awareness of Decentralization, and someone pointed it out to you, only for you to drop the bomb and add him to your ignored list?

Decentralized forums allow individuals authority over their own data. The forum is presently hosted on a centralized server, which gives theymos less control over the data. The government decides what they want to see. (already asked the forum not to advertise mixers).

Decentralized hosting entails hosting our webfile on multiple nodes, which is too costly, this is another reason why web owners prefer to keep it on a centralised server.

I agree that a decentralized forum may work for the ones who prefer privacy and want to do whatever they want to do but I'm more than sure it's not going to be possible. Even many websites that tried to do that were known to be as fail experiments and that's why the web system may not go decentralized if you want to maintain a good balance of things.

Bitcoin is decentralized because it's not control by a single person or a group of people but a forum or a website in general is controlled by a person or a group of people and we can't change that thing. Ah, maybe we can change that when we have someone like Satoshi who create Robots and implement decentralization theory in them and then make them work as humans but that would be a more controversial and out of topic, and Science fiction thing than a part of reality.

Censorship like banning mixers would not happen under decentralize bitcointalk.org. Bitcointalk.org is not truly free until it is decentralize.  We are at the mercy of big nations. We are like a naked girl bending waiting to be ######.

Bitcoin has been accepted in the world. There is no sign that bitcoin would be banned. I can only see more adoption. See United States SEC now that wants to approve bitcoin spot ETF. Nobody will also ban this forum, but what I do not like about this forum recently is the censorship that will start in January 1, 2024, but it is still for the good and progress of the forum.

@OP, the reason as to why Bitcoin will never be banned worldwide is because us Bitcoiners are more dangerous without Bitcoin, while as long as we are happy and friendly with having Bitcoin, which means by having it, we'd have a seat around the table of big guns in the world, and as soon as they take away our seat, we will destroy the table. So either they play along, or there will be no game for them to play either.

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So there is no need to decentralize this forum, now that they know who they are dealing with.

I have promised to maintain my cool on the forum henceforth, so I will let this annoying attitude of yours pass. Alts are not difficult to know.

For your information, I don't have any reason to read your lamentation anymore since your first statement has condemned you and shown who you are. I know your silly type, it is never worth my time.

Calling out shame in a strong term because someone expresses his opinion shows how trolling and immature you are. But I am not the type that you express your ignoble attitude towards you this immature brat. Nonetheless, I return your shame back to you and your generation in multiple folds.

Welcome to my ignore list...The very first since I joined this forum!

Shame on you for calling the OP for having a perfectly valid argument....If BitcoinTalk could be decentralized, it should be. It'd be good for theymos to take forum responsibility off his back, and it'd be in line with what Bitcoin is all about, no central control. In fact, this forum being centralized is contradictory, and ironic.

The forum is nearly at a state where it works perfectly. Merits, Default Trust, all of these functions are serving their purposes and are improving. While not perfect, governance by the community in a decentralized way is more than possible at this point and these functions can work if they were coded into a decentralized infrastructure. It might not be able to be decentralized today, but I would say that if this became a goal, it would potentially be a viable one that could be built rather quickly given all the groundwork that is making this forum work today.


Who is saying to make this forum more exclusive, or like a secret society? If anything, it being decentralized will make it more accessible, and more censorship resistant.

If the forum was decentralized, it'd be up to users to be lawful and rules could still be enforced via decentralized governance and built-in moderation powers. Moderators would be voted on by the community, and power levels would be too. Just because it would be decentralized, it doesn't mean there would be no governance.