Decentralized Exchange Service - page 2.

Icy-

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Quote from: NO_SLAVE on June 21, 2011, 04:22:47 PM

Quote from: Maria on June 21, 2011, 01:53:10 PM

We, the people in this community, are one of the smartest groups of people on the planet

Comments Please.

Maria.

well, that was your first fatal mistake to believe this bullshit.

Pride comes before the fall.

its kind of ironic how he makes a statement like this, but then starts an ignorant thread.

NO_SLAVE

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Quote from: Maria on June 21, 2011, 01:53:10 PM

We, the people in this community, are one of the smartest groups of people on the planet

Comments Please.

Maria.

well, that was your first fatal mistake to believe this bullshit.

Pride comes before the fall.

Maria

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Quote from: dukejer on June 21, 2011, 04:06:25 PM

I do not see why this would be impossible. I see the biggest problem is that the time it takes to transact an exchange and also guarantee payment between both parties. I think that maybe a rating system would help with the guaranteed payment. Start small with exchanges and earn a reputation for honest exchanges. As for the time it take for a transaction to take place I would think that a block chain would have to solve blocks quicker then 6 an hour. Maybe something similar to namecoin. With a high enough transaction fee I could see transactions taking priority and moving from peer to peer rather quickly. If you are not in a rush you could use a lower transaction fee. Money could be exchanged in person(long/lat), western union, paypal, dwolla, coinshop/merchant etc. Part of the transaction and exchange would be listing your payment choices and bids or asks to find a suitable person or business to exchange with.

- Dukejer

Thank You, please people, take example of this post and lets try to focus the positive ideas. We can make this happen if we combine our thoughts and ideas!

dukejer

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I do not see why this would be impossible. I see the biggest problem is that the time it takes to transact an exchange and also guarantee payment between both parties. I think that maybe a rating system would help with the guaranteed payment. Start small with exchanges and earn a reputation for honest exchanges. As for the time it take for a transaction to take place I would think that a block chain would have to solve blocks quicker then 6 an hour. Maybe something similar to namecoin. With a high enough transaction fee I could see transactions taking priority and moving from peer to peer rather quickly. If you are not in a rush you could use a lower transaction fee. Money could be exchanged in person(long/lat), western union, paypal, dwolla, coinshop/merchant etc. Part of the transaction and exchange would be listing your payment choices and bids or asks to find a suitable person or business to exchange with.

- Dukejer

Icy-

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Quote from: Vince Torres on June 21, 2011, 03:56:01 PM

Quote from: Icy- on June 21, 2011, 01:54:30 PM

i think you don't understand fully how bitcoin works, you can't have a decentralized exchange

Almost nobody fully understands how bitcoins work

apparently. i wish people would do more reading before they start topics like this.

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Quote from: Icy- on June 21, 2011, 01:54:30 PM

i think you don't understand fully how bitcoin works, you can't have a decentralized exchange

Almost nobody fully understands how bitcoins work

vrotaru

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Quote from: gst on June 21, 2011, 02:43:27 PM

While I have a Mt. Gox account I did all my recent trades over Bitmarket

Can be a good option for freelancers. Not so much for merchants. Am I wrong?

Icy-

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Quote from: Maria on June 21, 2011, 01:58:04 PM

Quote from: Icy- on June 21, 2011, 01:54:30 PM

many topics already opened like this

impossible

endthread

Bitcoin was born from an idea that was also thought impossible.

I forgot to add, if you have nothing positive to contribute on this post, please, do not post anything.

Thank You!

um, no bitcoin works like a torrent site nothing was thought impossible about that. just no one thought to use it like this.

i forgot to add, if you have nothing new to contribute to this post, then do not post anything, use the search function as many others had this "great idea" as well

i think you don't understand fully how bitcoin works, you can't have a decentralized exchange

Maria

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In my opinion, the system needs to be a software exactly like bitcoin, you run it whenever you want to make an exchange and the same block systems confirms with all the nodes the transaction. The other currency needed to make the trade happen is Liberty Reserve because it is also instant, anonymous, and No Chargebacks are possible.

Maria.

gst

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Quote from: Maria on June 21, 2011, 01:53:10 PM

Ok. The MT Gox situation is a lesson for the whole BTCommunity to learn. We did. Now it is time to think about the future. It is clear that the current exchange model has flaws and it needs to evolve. We, the people in this community, are one of the smartest groups of people on the planet, yet this issue made us look like fools for a while, but that is the past. If when Mt. Gox returns to business we should all support it as usual, but, we need to start coding the new system ASAP.

This Topic is where the new Decentralized Exchange Service is Born.

Why create one central decentralized exchange, when you can just create many decentralized independent exchanges?

As an individual just don't use the monopoly (where the Lemmings go), but one of the other exchanges.

While I have a Mt. Gox account I did all my recent trades over Bitmarket and so I did not have to care about the Mt. Gox problems at all.

Unfortunately it seems that all the Lemmings are moving now to TradeHill. Instead of learning something from the Mt. Gox fail everyone switches to the same exchange waiting for the next crash.

vrotaru

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I'll take the simplest case. Exchange of USD to BTC and back. Payments: BTC - the blockchain, USD - PayPal.

I'll take for granted, that someone will write P2P matching software which everyone runs on his computers.

+ Damn convenient
- Security, security, security

Next the risk of counter-party chargeback. How it can be reduced?

Reputation.
Proof of work. In order to place an ask/bid some rather expensive computation has to be performed. So that, say, only half of existing bitcoins can be exchanged every 24 hours. The same is true for holders of PayPal accounts, which will also have to provide proof of work in order to ask/bid. Or maybe only for them, since BTC transactions are irreversible.
Insurers. Can work, but introduces some elements of centralization. Like exchanges.
Automatic mixing of payments. Not receiving payments from one individual account, but from many. Ideally so, that ratio of fresh/untested PayPal account will be less than 10% initially and 1% when the system will be established.
Different exchange ratios for tested/tested PayPal accounts

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So this is my proposal. Feel free to rip it apart. I'm not (yet) emotionally attached to it Wink

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Quote from: BlueWall on June 21, 2011, 02:13:32 PM

Have a look at: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20425.0

+1
A federation of servers you don't have to trust is good enough.

kjj

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The exchange part is easy.

Call me when you figure out how to do a decentralized clearing house.

BlueWall

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Have a look at: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20425.0

cypherdoc

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Ubitex.org

Maria

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Quote from: piuk on June 21, 2011, 01:55:49 PM

>> https://github.com/macourtney/Dark-Exchange

That looks like a starting point. Can you explain the details behind Dark Exchange?

Interesting indeed.

Maria.

Maria

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Quote from: Icy- on June 21, 2011, 01:54:30 PM

many topics already opened like this

impossible

endthread

Bitcoin was born from an idea that was also thought impossible.

I forgot to add, if you have nothing positive to contribute on this post, please, do not post anything.

Thank You!

piuk

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>> https://github.com/macourtney/Dark-Exchange

Icy-

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many topics already opened like this

impossible

endthread

Maria

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Ok. The MT Gox situation is a lesson for the whole BTCommunity to learn. We did. Now it is time to think about the future. It is clear that the current exchange model has flaws and it needs to evolve. We, the people in this community, are one of the smartest groups of people on the planet, yet this issue made us look like fools for a while, but that is the past. If when Mt. Gox returns to business we should all support it as usual, but, we need to start coding the new system ASAP.

This Topic is where the new Decentralized Exchange Service is Born.

Comments Please.

Maria.

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