Topic: DefaultTrust changes - page 77. (Read 85467 times)

Its almost like we could use an objective standard of evidence of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws. I tried to make this argument years ago but I am just a troll and should be ignored and marginalized forever for saying so.

I think the trust system does way more harm to the community than good, it should be removed IMO. The amount of people I get direct messaging me on Twitter complaining how they stopped using this forum because of issues around trust is noticeable, or ranting about Lauda. I don't think these people are necessarily scammers either.

Better to just remove it. I'm sure the overall happiness of the community would go way up. Let people figure out for themselves if someone or a business is trustworthy, as they do on the rest of the internet. It's a noble idea but it just builds resentment among members which might actually lead to more shady and dubious behavior. Mobs going around bullying members with trust scores is shady activity. Feels like more people complain about getting their trust fucked with and characters like Lauda than they do about scams here.

Trust scores are mostly meaningless, it's closer to a popularity contest than a true measure of someone's trustworthiness. Just by using this site, all of you are implicitly trusting me, but that isn't reflected at all in my trust score, in fact I probably seem less trustworthy on first observation than some actual shady people on here. There's so much angst with the whole system, maybe there's a way to make it work better, and tweaking it could eventually lead to that, but for now it just looks like something that's dividing the community.

I think that it is fair for me to distinguish what I am saying here from what you seem to be saying. 

First, I am not against self-moderated threads, but it seems problematic when a large number of posts that are topical are deleted which causes difficulties following meaningful back and forth.  In the end, those judgements are with the creator of the thread, but there could be situations in which self-moderation crosses into a kind of abusive and seemingly purposely misleading territory.  I am NOT going to bother myself with specific attempts to figure out whether the "remove Lauda from DT" thread crosses into such territory because once my 6 posts therein were deleted, I decided to stop participating or looking at such thread because my time to construct the posts had been wasted when OP decided to delete my 6 posts, which was a step too far from me, so  thereafter, I don't give any shits about what I perceive to be phony boloney discussion points that they want to engage in what I believe to be a circle jerk (based on what I perceived to have been the deletion of my reasonable attempts at contribution to what I had thought to be the thread topic).

Second, on an objective level there are many reasons that self-moderation is likely more efficient then allowing a free range of ideas.  There are posts that purposefully attempt to derail to topic or promote some non-topic issues (aka trolling and shilling) and other conduct that might go over the line in either breaking forum rules or societal rules or norms (such as threats, safety, morally distasteful, and doxing and things like that).  Accordingly, some of those posts just need to be deleted because allowing them is less efficient than deleting them.

Third, I understand that there can be some debate about whether the services of the forum are a public utility or whether there is complete owner discretion.  I think that current state of the world gives a decently large amount of discretion to owners to do pretty much whatever they like.  I understand that theymos does attempt to allow deviance from his personal preferences (in regards to posts, threads, banning/suspensions, assignment of merit sources and moderators/staff), yet I think that he continues to hold a decent amount of discretion to change matters however he wants for almost any reason that he wants or no reason at all.  So in that regard, sometimes, there might be some allowance of topics, posts, member status and contradictions that are not easily explained, and really there is not a duty for theymos to necessarily explain, even though he might chose to provide some explanations from time to time.

I'm glad you recognise this. I would personally see the end of all self moderated threads and local rules bullshit. People can post relevant on topic facts or opinions they substantiate with corroborating events etc or just refrain from posting. This is how the entire board should function for max efficiency.

There is no doubt that the goal is righteous. The method is for others to debate but i see it as no different as the DT's methods and they seem to shy away from anything unmoderated and now insist they can introduce echo chambers in meta via their "local rules".  So why can others not do as they like without that having negative implications.

For me personally I see it more as a "if you can do it....so can we" decision. I don't feel any information could come to light that would refute successfully what has been demonstrated with observable events/facts.

If you look i see a few posts there by those that are not pro "the movement".

Lauda does some good, I have praised it in the past however using red trust to bully or silence truth needs to be fixed or they need to be removed. There is no other sensible solution. This is not blackmail this is simply undo your wrong deeds or people will get upset at unfair treatment and expecting them to take it lying down is ........ unrealistic and unfair.

I doubt that I need to get into the weeds with you about all of your various points, because I consider some of those points to be matters way out of my control... and maybe directed at The Pharmacist rather than me.   

Part of my suggestion in my recent post(s) with the blacklisting suggestion issue comes from consideration that behavior of some members might cross such threshold based on a series of conduct, and certainly, I am not investigating into the matter and I would not have enough information to make a specific recommendation on any particular case.  Also, use of IP addresses to trace the use of sock puppet accounts could be something that admin would have too that could make a difference in some cases... 

You, cryptohunter, seem to suggest that the crusade against Lauda is righteous and just and carried out by innocent truth seekers (and corruption busters), but I just have so much difficulties with your whole premise when the thread in which they are propagandizing is so wild with the deletion of posts, that no sane person attempting to seek knowledge on the topic is able to follow it or even participate in it.  

Personally, I find such threads, and even such assertions of fair and just to be unwarranted, when participation is being deleted, so the thread just becomes a BIG ASS circle jerk propaganda piece no longer worthy of categorization of fair and just (presuming that it ever was).

The hypocrisy is strong with this proven sock puppet racist trolling sig spammer the pharmacist aka Huge Black Woman.

Trolls? sock puppetting? you say these are negative things....... not that either of those can be proven of these persons you accuse and yet its proven of you mr DT and merit source. FACT

Also to JJG

Your argument seems completely foolish. Lauda is a proven liar, and trust abuser. The fact that you are attempting to cast those that want this recognised and the appropriate action taken in a negative light and suggest blacklisting them is ludicrous and actually makes you look untrustworthy. Best to remove proven liars once you are in full knowledge of their prior actions else of course it will reflect poorly upon your judgement and can only speculate that as persons spot this kind of behaviour you will get more exclusions. According to suchmoon those supporting "possible" scams can be given red trust so I would expect fans of his may reason those knowingly supporting proven liars and trust abusers on DT .... well you can see where that is going.

I don't feel that pointing out wrong doing and insisting those in positions of trust here recognise this and meet there responsibility to remove such wrong doers else they will therefore be viewed as non useful in such a position can be classed as blackmail. That is the unsound and messed up logic I have heard voiced here before by trust abusers.

Don't support proven liars into positions of trust then expect to be viewed as trustworthy.

Oppps I see to a proven sock puppet trolling sig spammer some may consider that to be untrustworthy to support such a person on DT too . I can't really say. 

show me proofs where is my shitposting and spam?

yes i distrusting someone IMO they are scammers

i not use translator for speak but en is not my native lang.

Is this your reason for giving him red trust?

I saw that loads of you have ~ me & I’ve only ever followed the rules & been a good part of the community here.
You are part of a dangerous group of shitposting spammers who are attempting to manipulate the DT list.

I therefore do not trust you & consider you as an untrustworthy member of the community, the same as all of your buddies over in that shitposting thread full of broken English, poor grammar & broken promises.

Your little plan (which won’t work) is detrimental to the community & forum as a whole. You’re literally distrusting some of the most successful scam busters on here. It’s ridiculous to be honest.

i see you asshole and faggot tagged me without reason and with fake reference

Buying ad space on BCT would be way more effectiv.
Cost would be arround 0.1 BTC and would get over 3 million views on this forum.Everyone everywhere will see it.

Theymos said he would approve this ad if it would be no direct attack to a single member

but they will delete your post too and my post quoting both of you



they delete most of my posts in general but greatly my posts in this thread

You have made my day..I already quoted  the joke so if it is reported i have backed up you. 
This campaign needs to end,by putting those abusive people to their derserved positions,guess where? clue : trash.

preach brother
the response to my thread has been outstanding
it has been the center of attention on meta and reputation boards and elicited a response from theymos


"""20 or so""" was a week ago
surely are more now and grow every day
thread will be added to lists of historic threads and live on for eternity
if we win us early adopters will be heroes


will you wear a signature pointing to the thread if i make one for you ?



thinking about starting a donation based BTC signature campaign

Unforgivable. Considering that I am Cavs, oops sorry,  Lebron through and through.

It can be even more difficult to figure out the back and forth (and even contributions of others to the back and forth communications) when the OP was deleting so much context from several posts.  I had marked posts of HCP and Bones, and maybe one of yours, Loyce, but when I went back to those posts, the posts had been deleted.  Of course, I have a copy of my own deleted posts from that thread which would help me a little bit, but not very much because I have some trouble figuring out the context.

Oh, how I love Meta… Reading through the last few pages warms my heart.

All I see is fukem! They’re good for nothing trolls. They don’t matter, none of them will ever make it to DT, and even if they did, bla bla and so forth. But I smell your fear. The fact that you’re all here, discussing a bunch of inconsequential no gooders in depth, shows we’re unto something.

It is worth noting that when this “movement” started it was one man’s idea. It has so far ballooned to 20 or so accounts in 9 days. And this is a thread buried deep in the reputation sub, where only a small number of users on this forum visit.

The initial reactions were hilarious; threads popped everywhere demanding bans and blacklists. Lol! When that failed, the tune changed to oh don’t worry; they will never achieve the required merit threshold to get into DT.

The best lesson I’ve learnt in my very short life is to never say never.

A few weeks ago Lauda’s ratings were worthless and last week Ognasty wasn’t on DT. Some of the newbie DT’s running around making definitive statements about how it will never happen, had no idea theymos would move things around.

Who is to say that theymos, after smoking some crack sometime in the near future, wouldn’t change things again? The simple truth is that bitcointak is subject to on man’s whims, but then I digress….

As long as certain people on DT keep abusing their powers, change is nigh. Resist it all you want, wish it away, but it will happen.

It may not happen now and maybe not through us. I honestly don’t expect this “movement” to succeed. Nonetheless, I signed up to make my voice heard because there is strength in numbers. As individuals, none of us could have made enough noise to be heard as we are now.

They said Trump would never win the presidency
They said brexit would never happen
Leicester was 5000/1 to win the premier league
Serena Williams crashed out from the 2019 Aussie open after going 5-1 up in the third set. But we were told none of these would happen. Impossible!

These are all recent modern examples, and as you can tell, I am a betting man. And I will gladly wager that, the current state of affairs regarding DT on this forum won’t remain the same for long if things don’t improve soon.

I’ll leave you all to your pillow talk. Thanks for having me.

I really don't think you should be acting as spokesperson for this movement.  I would give cryptohunter a billion times more credence than you.  (And that isn't saying a whole lot.)
In fact "billions and billions."

I tried reasoning with them:
~more posts~
This is what I got in return:
After this, I gave up on him, and he's the OP from that thread.

There's also this reply which makes more sense ("Switzerland" is me, a name Lauda gave me):
Update: Bazinga442 has excluded me anyway, so he just copy/pasts a list he doesn't even agree with.

Note that I didn't tag any of them. I don't tag users for being annoying, "against me", trolling or just being idiots. I ignored and excluded cryptohunter after reading hundreds of the same posts with totally flawed judgement even before the new DT-system was created.

Distrusted people calling now themself victims haha

Victim of what ?

You put Lauda in your trust list ?
Where were you when Lauda abused the feedback system?
Even now theymos said clearly its not allowed to give negative feedback for this distrust list.
No DT member has removed their negative feedback.
Where is your voice here ?

Ah it doesnt effect you so you give a piss.
So why should we care about your problem if you put Lauda in your trust list ?


And if you still haven't realised it ,theymos is supporting this movement in hope DT system gets more decentralised and not being hold in a few hands who stick together.