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Topic: DEFCAD taken offline at request of US Department of Defense Trade Controls - page 3. (Read 3212 times)

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Too bad it doesn't matter, the files are all over everywhere already. Pirate Bay has still not fallen to government scrutiny after spending millions, so...

Open Source is our weapon against oppression, and now that we have moved P2P from simple file sharing into directly messing with money and weapons on the same principals: welcome to the new paradigm. Pretty cool to see this all evolve from the ground floor.

But as serious weapon 3D printing is not practical. Firearm must be reliable to fire tens of thousands of rounds. It must not break when dropped or grabbed by enemy in close quarter combat.

Sharing blueprints of real guns is the way to go. Maybe initially optimized designs like Sten SMG or Makarov PM. Then someone with right tools and materials can make copies.

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, "real" guns are certainly much better long term.

But perhaps the question should be more something like this:

Could John Wilkes Booth have used this effectively?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZRUpmMIQy8

DefDist already has a working full auto. The first had problems with the receiver cracking after a few rounds. Realizing they are not made of metal they beefed it up considerably, and can now make it through several clips. This is just the first one
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He can still provide the data to US citizens.
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Sounds like a job for Tor.
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But as serious weapon 3D printing is not practical. Firearm must be reliable to fire tens of thousands of rounds. It must not break when dropped or grabbed by enemy in close quarter combat.

Sharing blueprints of real guns is the way to go. Maybe initially optimized designs like Sten SMG or Makarov PM. Then someone with right tools and materials can make copies.

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, "real" guns are certainly much better long term.

But perhaps the question should be more something like this:

Could John Wilkes Booth have used this effectively?

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But as serious weapon 3D printing is not practical. Firearm must be reliable to fire tens of thousands of rounds. It must not break when dropped or grabbed by enemy in close quarter combat.

A disarmed populace doesn't need a gun capable of firing tens of thousands of rounds. They don't need a gun sturdy enough to use in close quarters combat. They don't need a gun accurate enough to kill a man at a thousand yards.

They just need a gun good enough to get a gun like that.

Edit to add:
Just to illustrate how ridiculous this whole thing is, this was specifically mentioned in the take-down letter:

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But as serious weapon 3D printing is not practical.

At the moment. 3D printing is a rapidly advancing technology.

These files are already out there and hundreds of thousands of computers. Not to even mention how many torrents or 3rd party server downloads have been created for them as well. I think this is more for show than anything else (kind of like the megaupload fiasco), they just want to kick somebody in the balls and scare everybody else involved.
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But as serious weapon 3D printing is not practical. Firearm must be reliable to fire tens of thousands of rounds. It must not break when dropped or grabbed by enemy in close quarter combat.

Sharing blueprints of real guns is the way to go. Maybe initially optimized designs like Sten SMG or Makarov PM. Then someone with right tools and materials can make copies.
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Now all they have to do is send take-down notices to the 100k+ people who downloaded these guns.  What a waste of trees, anyway.
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The horse is gone!  Shut the gate!
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Yeah, it's WAY too late:
Magnet link for the Liberator pistol:
Code:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0ad7b4f1833e01a3f2fa5613d8fc46de622339ac&dn=DefDist+Defcad+Liberator+Printable+Gun&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.istole.it%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ccc.de%3A80
Magnet link for Mega Pack 4.2 (Saito) (everything else):
Code:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:C862F0D031E575384ACC6BACC2BE7D705666D5BF&dn=DefDist_DEFCAD_MEGA_PACK_v4.2_%28Saito%29&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.publicbt.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.ccc.de%3a80%2fannounce
edit: It was brought to my attention that SMF treats all links like http:// If you want them, you'll have to copy and paste into your torrent grabber of choice, sorry.
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Can't take down their BTC address...

Defense Distributed/DefCad.org:
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Cody R. Wilson ‏@Radomysisky 2h
#DEFCAD is going dark at the request of the SOS Department of Defense Trade Controls. Some shapes are more dangerous than others.

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DEFCAD files are being removed from public access at the request of the US Department of Defense Trade Controls.
Until further notice, the United States government claims control of the information.

Forbes Article:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/09/state-department-demands-takedown-of-3d-printable-gun-for-possible-export-control-violation/

On Thursday, Defense Distributed founder Cody Wilson received a letter from the State Department Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance demanding that he take down the online blueprints for the 3D-printable “Liberator” handgun that his group released Monday, along with nine other 3D-printable firearms components hosted on the group’s website Defcad.org. The government says it wants to review the files for compliance with arms export control laws known as the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, or ITAR. By uploading the weapons files to the Internet and allowing them to be downloaded abroad, the letter implies Wilson’s high-tech gun group may have violated those export controls.
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