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searching for thread to post should not be counted as a spam, i was posting like 50 post a days and more(without any payment) when the alt-section was very active, because i loved that section so much, now it's just full of virus...

i don't agree with the "feel forced issue", now one is forced here, we are just joining more discussion, because we are payed, the problem occur when there are newbie that make the same thread over and over again(those newbie are probably sockpuppet of members that carry sig), and in that case we can choose to not post or reiterate(we are forced to do it, because that thread treats the same argument, not our fault...)

so...as long as there are no reiteration of any kind, this is how i see it

reiteration, non-constructive and off-topic reply are spam, everything else isn't

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Spamming means replies within a minute.
As long as it keeps on topic, we can spam everywhere and everytime. But if we spam because we were being forced to then we must avoid this spam for good. Being campaign manager is the hardest one to handle this problem especially when this sig pay a quite big of amount per post

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Quote from: redsn0w on April 18, 2015, 11:17:32 AM

Quote from: ndnh on April 18, 2015, 10:57:15 AM

IMO, certain posts are considered spam because they are wearing a signature. And people who are in a signature campaign force themselves to make longer posts (in an effort to make it constructive), which is actually not a requirement at all.

But if a mod or admin will see a lot of short line/posts he will be sure take action against you, maybe you are right when you are saying it is not a requirement for the various signature campaigns but it is a problem for the forum.

Sorry. forgot to add unless he makes a lot of that kind of posts.. I added that only to the first paragraph.

I meant to say, posting once in a while like 1 in 20 or so, is normal.
If he makes a lot of short useless posts, he won't get paid and he will also be very likely be banned.

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Quote from: ndnh on April 18, 2015, 10:57:15 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on April 18, 2015, 08:18:21 AM

If I can say my opinion, it is impossible to write all constructive posts. It's normal that each of us will write at least 2-3 'insubstantial posts', this is a forum not a place of genius and writers (as shakespeare). Take an example of my personal situation here : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-simple-question-is-it-against-the-forum-rules-make-double-posting-1022225 In that case the problem was only the signature ad, but I am sure that if someone who was not wearing a sig ad (did the same thing) it would not have happened.

Yeah, that is right.

Actually, as a campaign manager, I expect to see a small number of posts that are insubstantial.

But, what to do with someone who does not post something like a thank you or congratz or a simple question that normally one would post (it may not be counted, but it is not really spam, unless he makes a lot of that kind of posts), just because he is part of a campaign and thinks that it will be called spam and will result in removing the participant or something from the campaign?

In that case the problem is only the signature ad ad not the post itself. Because if someone make the same thing but he is not wearing a sig ad, then in that case I am sure will not be "valued" as someone who is wearing a sig ad.

Quote from: ndnh on April 18, 2015, 10:57:15 AM

IMO, certain posts are considered spam because they are wearing a signature. And people who are in a signature campaign force themselves to make longer posts (in an effort to make it constructive), which is actually not a requirement at all.

But if a mod or admin will see a lot of short line/posts he will be sure take action against you, maybe you are right when you are saying it is not a requirement for the various signature campaigns but it is a problem for the forum.

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Quote from: redsn0w on April 18, 2015, 08:18:21 AM

If I can say my opinion, it is impossible to write all constructive posts. It's normal that each of us will write at least 2-3 'insubstantial posts', this is a forum not a place of genius and writers (as shakespeare). Take an example of my personal situation here : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-simple-question-is-it-against-the-forum-rules-make-double-posting-1022225 In that case the problem was only the signature ad, but I am sure that if someone who was not wearing a sig ad (did the same thing) it would not have happened.

Yeah, that is right.

Actually, as a campaign manager, I expect to see a small number of posts that are insubstantial.

But, what to do with someone who does not post something like a thank you or congratz or a simple question that normally one would post (it may not be counted, but it is not really spam, unless he makes a lot of that kind of posts), just because he is part of a campaign and thinks that it will be called spam and will result in removing the participant or something from the campaign?

IMO, certain posts are considered spam because they are wearing a signature. And people who are in a signature campaign force themselves to make longer posts (in an effort to make it constructive), which is actually not a requirement at all.

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#Free market

If I can say my opinion, it is impossible to write all constructive posts. It's normal that each of us will write at least 2-3 'insubstantial posts', this is a forum not a place of genius and writers (as shakespeare). Take an example of my personal situation here : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-simple-question-is-it-against-the-forum-rules-make-double-posting-1022225 In that case the problem was only the signature ad, but I am sure that if someone who was not wearing a sig ad (did the same thing) it would not have happened.

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Quote from: marcotheminer on April 18, 2015, 07:53:44 AM

My thoughts conveyed perfectly.

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What normal person would go through all the sections trying to do over 50 posts a day? I'm talking about posts that look okay but serve no purpose and are the result of careful spamming? None.

I don't agree as I am normal and make 100+ posts mostly on another forum. I interact with the users and this might be considered spamming but still I do it and it's done in a Chit Chat thread. Would you consider tweets, FB replies, Chatting as spam? That's what normal beings do.

Here some do it because they get paid but some do it because they love it. The latter isn't considered spam though.

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Quote from: marcotheminer on April 18, 2015, 07:53:44 AM

My thoughts conveyed perfectly.

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What normal person would go through all the sections trying to do over 50 posts a day? I'm talking about posts that look okay but serve no purpose and are the result of careful spamming? None.

Not sure I entirely agree on that point. I do know some users on other smaller forums who don't get paid (there isn't anything like a signature campaign there) but post because they love the interaction and are genuinely interested or provide unique perspectives, and post in much larger volumes than 50 per day. I don't think you can necessarily set an arbitrary absolute value as the maximum posts people can do before creating spam - instead maybe assess them on the quality of each individual post?

TBH though, the way I see it, it is incredibly hard to continuously moderate people who don't have constructive posts per se, but do post in length. Even then length isn't always a determining factor - sometimes short witty responses have themselves been thought provoking and useful.

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My thoughts conveyed perfectly.

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What normal person would go through all the sections trying to do over 50 posts a day? I'm talking about posts that look okay but serve no purpose and are the result of careful spamming? None.

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Quote from: Sarthak on April 18, 2015, 07:44:54 AM

Quote from: ndnh on April 18, 2015, 07:38:54 AM

The (modified Grin

) question is, if the participant is really taking the effort in making the post, and the post is constructive, but he is making it look so, and he is posting actually for the campaign alone, will that be spam?

I don't clearly get you! You are saying the post is "constructive" and you are asking if it is a spam! How can a constructive post be a spam Huh

What the forum sees as spam is basically an unwanted/not needed post that is still posted.

Many posts are masked to be seen as constructive when they're clearly not (and are full of fluff, random words to up the post count, etc).

Fitting example:

Quote from: Hazir on April 16, 2015, 06:52:48 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on April 16, 2015, 06:32:38 AM

Quote from: Hazir on April 16, 2015, 06:10:38 AM

I never imagined that Avatar ads will be serious business here on bitcointalk. I guess I was wrong as it seems you can monetize everything... It is fine that you let your participants keep some part of their avatar as core element and I feel that small bit-x is sufficient and not so boring like generic standard bit-x avatar would be.

That was a whole heap of waffle for your campaign.

Don't get me wrong. I think that for advertising purposes standardized avatars are the best option. But it is the nice to keep variety of users avatars plus little ad addition in them. Anyway, good luck with your campaign. I'm off.

All of that didn't make sense and/or wasn't at all needed to be posted.

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Quote from: ndnh on April 18, 2015, 07:38:54 AM

The (modified Grin

) question is, if the participant is really taking the effort in making the post, and the post is constructive, but he is making it look so, and he is posting actually for the campaign alone, will that be spam?

I don't clearly get you! You are saying the post is "constructive" and you are asking if it is a spam! How can a constructive post be a spam Huh

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For me spam is:

1. Posting on a job topic when they aren't interested in the job. It sometimes gets irritating as people fill the pages of such threads with just their opinion and people who re genuinely interested in doing the task ignore it or think that the OP isn't paying. I find several users doing this just to make fun and increase their post count.

2. Posting in a news article topic and then replying to off topic posts. Sometimes it's likely that a user can go off topic when it comes to sensitive issues but that is not always the case.

3. Posting long replies but when you look at the reply, there is not even a single sentence that truly makes sense.

4. Posting too many emoticons.

5. Posting by just reading the title and not the content. (sometimes the title and the content does not match and that happens when the OP itself is a troll)

I wouldn't consider user asking questions in thread (if they don't understand the content of a topic) as spam as they genuinely may be interested in gaining knowledge. Sigs shouldn't restrict them from asking questions. Also, the above points are for both users (with/without a sig). Am not saying that I have never done the above as I am also human and I do make mistakes.

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Quote from: Sarthak on April 18, 2015, 07:31:21 AM

I suppose Spam post (supposing you are referring to "signature spam") is anything you post just for the purpose of getting paid and contains nothing constructive. In simple:
Posts that you wouldn't post if you weren't getting paid but you are posting just because you are getting paid Grin

PS: This post is short but not spam because it contains my personal opinion Cheesy

The (modified Grin

) question is, if the participant is really taking the effort in making the post, and the post is constructive, but he is making it look so, and he is posting actually for the campaign alone, will that be spam?

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I suppose Spam post (supposing you are referring to "signature spam") is anything you post just for the purpose of getting paid and contains nothing constructive. In simple:
Posts that you wouldn't post if you weren't getting paid but you are posting just because you are getting paid Grin

PS: This post is short but not spam because it contains my personal opinion Cheesy

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Quote from: ndnh on April 18, 2015, 07:25:12 AM

Quote from: michaeladair on April 18, 2015, 07:18:22 AM

A thing to add to your list, which is my personal opinion... someone who does not care about adding punctuation, correct spelling, texting lingo, and especially those who don't capitalize. I mean, spam is usually made really fast by the user because they do not care about wasting their time on a constructive post. A few errors here and there are fine but if it is all errors then it bugs me. When people delve into using texting lingo like, "U R a gr8 m4n", it shows that they do not want to waste their time making a non spammy post.

EDIT: Improper Grammar also bugs me.

I had removed that part from the campaign definition of constructiveness, simply because it won't be fair to ban all those who may not have a good knowledge of English. That would be unfair, IMO.

I just can't wait until Earth gets one Universal language so then my Empire of Grammar Nazis will Rise.

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Quote from: michaeladair on April 18, 2015, 07:18:22 AM

A thing to add to your list, which is my personal opinion... someone who does not care about adding punctuation, correct spelling, texting lingo, and especially those who don't capitalize. I mean, spam is usually made really fast by the user because they do not care about wasting their time on a constructive post. A few errors here and there are fine but if it is all errors then it bugs me. When people delve into using texting lingo like, "U R a gr8 m4n", it shows that they do not want to waste their time making a non spammy post.

EDIT: Improper Grammar also bugs me.

I had removed that part from the campaign definition of constructiveness, simply because it won't be fair to ban all those who may not have a good knowledge of English. That would be unfair, IMO.

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hee-ho.

Quote from: ndnh on April 18, 2015, 07:08:42 AM

lol.

Can this be considered spamming? Undecided

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hazir-252562

this guy have it worse by faaaaar.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/waterpile-301123

last hundred posts are written in one line. didn't bother to check the rest

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Quote from: ndnh on April 18, 2015, 06:58:17 AM

This is getting weird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eacxC3D4uo

Quote from: ndnh on April 18, 2015, 06:58:17 AM

Need some definitions of spam or insubstantial posts.

I hope opinions are fine as well.

lol. That is what I meant. Wink

OP updated.

Quote from: ndnh on April 18, 2015, 06:58:17 AM

Should a campaign kick out members who do:
1. Forced posting? (i.e. making constructive posts for the campaign alone)

I wonder how you would detect that. This would imply that you could somehow reveal the intentions someone has when posting. I dont think this is possible and wild assumption would only get people pissed of.

Dunno. That is why I asked. Glad to see someone who thinks like me.

Quote from: ndnh on April 18, 2015, 06:58:17 AM

2. Make posts that he usually do but are not exactly constructive.

I would not force someone to change their posting habits. Maybe talk to them about those cases and discuss a different pay rate. This would certainly require more work unless you could settle for a general terms, e.g. -10% off on all posts, but the unconstructive ones still count.

I don't really like that idea though. It would be mean giving people I like higher rates than those I don't. Plus, everything will be too much in my hand. Don't want dictatorship. Wink

Quote from: ndnh on April 18, 2015, 06:58:17 AM

3. Somewhere in between constructive and not constructive.

Since there is no fine line I would give them the benefit of the doubt and allow them to improve. Tell the participant openly what you think could be improve or what should be avoided in the future.

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