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Because Putin's propaganda brainwashed everyone. Soberly you begin to think only at such moments.

Because Putin deliberately keeps his people in poverty because the poor are easier to manipulate.

Okay, sorry

update:

fucking Putin should be arrested as war criminal

Due to the fucking law № 127-ФЗ 2023 I do not supporting official russian government position anymore

What happened? It's easy and comfortable to support war when you're sitting behind your keyboard, far away from front line. But when there is risk to get called to army, you change your position?
Anyway, how this post related with topic?

I get your point but I think it will be best to report such posts to mods so they can easily yank them off. To think that the OP of that thread is even self moderated speaks volume of premeditated ill. It means that the OP wants to go on a hate mode without any checks on them, and that's very wrong. While a lot of users here don't support the ongoing invasion of Ukraine, I think we wouldn't want that antagonistic attitude to flare up here among users of these warring brothers. Let politicians not make us enemies of one another here.

If there's an imposed censorship, then it's not 100% free speech.
But I understand your point; even here, where we boast the freedom of speech, although the rules are basically common sense,  spam, plagiarism, body harm and so on get excluded/removed/banned.
Still, the more "exceptions" we add, the more harm we do on long term.

On the other hand, certain lying trolls can be easily ignored by those who no longer want to see its posts. (On the other hand, reporting for trolling can do longer term effects.)

Even in free speech, there's censorship 🙊

You're lying again, you smelly troll. You're trying to mislead the community again. The topic is called "бьeм pyccкy кypвy", and not as you are trying to lie here. If you translate it into English in a softer way, then the name of the topic will be "we beating the Russian bitch", and not the way you want to imagine it here.

"Кypвa" is the most commonly used Polish vulgarism ("kurwa" in Polish). It has many meanings, ranging from the softer "bitch" to the completely dirty "fuck".

And in his topic, the author lays out the facts of the success of the Ukrainian army in destroying the Ruᛋᛋian army. And you want to turn everything upside down. That's what Ruᛋᛋian propagandists do. What a scumbag you are. Ugh.

This is an example of how privileges could be over leveraged or misused and feeling that playing victim could account to having or using certain privileges. I am very much against the war as anyone else and in as much as, the Ukrainians wants us to look towards the Russians as the cause to any conflict, what are the Ukrainians doing to ensure the peace that once was actually reigns on the forum?
Instead, what I see everyday is a way of creating further segregation amongst the citizens of both nations that exists on the forum.

Apparently, forum rules and policies has got nothing to do with world politics and the crisis that might arise thereof. Hence, it would be a fowl should the politics of the world have effects on how the forum is been moderated or affect certain forum arrangements. The forum is autonomous and would continue to exercise its powers as such, not influenced by whatever is out there.

The closest one could request for is the deleting of hate speech or restricting of certain users that doesn't play by the rules of not promoting hate speech or perhaps, you just get to put certain users on ignore. Forum did put these in place to be used in cases like these so, make use of them.

I don't know Russian or Ukrainian, so I can't check that or provide an answer. But even If I understood the languages, I could still not tell you why certain posts are not removed. Maybe the local or global mods don't share your opinion that they are off topic. If you feel that some posts should be removed, report them and include which rules are being broken in the reports. Have you done that and what is the status of those reports? Good, bad, unhandled? 

No matter how ridiculous it may sound, it is much easier to rename the Russian locale to Ukrainian. Because if you ask yourself how many Russian-speaking users are there and how many Ukrainians, you will see an advantage in Ukrainians.
Causes? The forum is blocked in Russia, how many people will use VPN?
Everyone who is NOT interested in disputes simply no longer visits the Russian section, bypassing it, and if he writes, he does not provoke disagreements.
I think the issue can be resolved very simply.

I just took a look at the Ukrainian local thread and there is very little activity there. The thread is currently 280 pages long. On top of page #279, there is a post from October 17, 2021. If you scroll down from there, you can see that it usually takes days and over a week sometimes between two posts to appear.

We have posts being written on October 17, 19, November 05, 10, 20, December 03, 06, etc. Between 06 and 26 December, not a single post was submitted. Even during this crisis and war, very few posts have been written in March, with the last one on 18 March.

There are other local threads with far more activity who haven't received their own local. I doubt Ukrainian users will get one either.     

because there are people who support the war and thinks that their enemy deserves what they get.

just like what some members have suggested why not go to the local Ukrainian thread for a moment if the situation between the Russians and the Ukrainian on the Russian local board is getting worse while you guys continue to ask for your own local board?

Usually I'm a bit sceptical about adding new local boards, but this time I fully support this request. Yes, you can say that Ukrainian local thread is inactive, but for most of them it was not a problem to post in Russian board. Now things had changed. And even if war will end soon, I doubt that Ukrainians and Russians will be able to talk together like nothing didn't happened.

Language barrier will stop them. Very few Russians known Ukrainian language, so they won't be able to post in Ukrainian board. There is no rule which would stop Ukrainians posting in Russian board, but I believe that not many would continue to do it after getting their own board, unless they don't know Ukrainian language.
BTW I remember there was request for Ukrainian board very long time before war.

What circumstances exactly, do you mean the war? Yes i understand what you are talking about as every Ukrainian at this point would prolly hold a little bit of recentment towards Russians, but let us be honest, there are quite a lot of Russians who do not support their country's invasion of Ukraine, so we can't really generalize the whole issue.

Having said that, i think the forum actually recognizes Ukraine as being independent, if it didn't would there be a Ukrainian local thread? The thing is, i do not think Theymos would just create a Ukrainian local board cause there is an ongoing altercation between Russians and Ukrainians in the Russian local section, i believe first of all there has to be enough quality activity in the existing Ukrainian thread, then with time the request for a local board can be listened to.

Imagine if this local board is created just cause of the present altercation, who is going to stop Russians from posting in the newly created board, or Ukrainians from still posting in the Russian local board, so it really would not solve anything. Mind you that i am not against a Ukrainian local board, all i am saying is that there has to be a good reason backing up this request.

I think there is a point that has been overlooked in all of these discussions, the forum is to talk about Bitcoin, are there enough Ukrainians threads that talking about Bitcoin?

Your argument will be understandable if you say we want a local board for buying/selling bitcoin or services related to bitcoin in Ukraine and then you will have a more logical reason than comparing it to Russia board or Russia users,

After creating that board, it will take some time to be locked, for example, the MultiBit board was locked after several months of inactivity.

People don't have to understand each other. I expect that this situation may happen even between some Russians too (some pro war, some against).

Since this is a forum of free speech, the options are simple:
* if you don't like certain user, you are free to ignore him
* if one spams, or threatens, you can report him

So I see no good reason in splitting, especially as:
* most probably not all Russians are pro-war.
* even if you'd have different boards, nobody would stop Russians flood Ukrainian board and Ukrainians flood Russian board
* together you may make it work/make some understand they're wrong.



You mean this inactive newbie? 

Even if there is not sufficient activity to support a local sub for Ukraine, I think the circumstances warrant a local sub for Ukraine that is distinct and different from the local sub for Russia.

The above will make clear that Ukraine is recognized by the forum as an independent nation that is separate and distinct from Russia. 

What you obviously don't understand is that things regarding local boards are not working like that. Forum staff is not creating new local boards unless they see that there is enough interest in your own local thread and that it makes sense to create a new one.

So, to have even remotely slight chance of ever getting your own local board you (and other members that are currently active in Russian board) will have to be more active in Ukrainian board as so far that haven't be the case, with approximately 10 posts written in the last month or so. There are local communities with 300 posts per month that are still waiting for their own local board, meaning it won't be easy.

Regarding half-dead Hebrew board (that was created long time ago), that's exactly the reason why theymos&co are reluctant to open new boards easily as there are few more other than Hebrew that went dead (Japanese, Korean, Chinese etc).

There might just be a few Ukrainians going to be on the local board the fact that the country is cut out of the internet. But because most Ukrainians speak the Russian language, they clash on the Russian forum, it might help if they just add the Ukrainian forum under Russia as a subforum. That's just a suggestion though.

The discussions between the members and all their posts will help us see what's happening on the ground. It's not to make people fight. The moment users start using the pronoun "YOU" in sentences, it makes personal that's what they should be avoiding.

Instead of using "You" use something like "Russian government". That helps calm the person on the other side.

It is your right to call for the creation of Ukraine board if you feel that Ukrainians have fulfilled the requirements of having a local board.

It would have been nice if you presented your request without tieing it to the ongoing war between the Russians and Ukrainians.

Creating a Ukrainian Board at this point will defeat the purpose of unity, which means we are driven by political waves outside.
 The war you alleged that is going on in Russian locale, is it between the Russian users and Ukraine users, or it is a war of moderators?

I'm really not sure how many posts are there in the Ukraine thread each day or a month. But at the moment, Bengali thread is doing far better than most of the local board board.
But still, Bengali isn’t considered to get a board. We are still hanging out in a chaotic situation. But theymos hasn’t yet considered that.
I don't think theymos will consider a board for Ukraine either but I wish your request get a successful ending.

But why do you propose to change the moderator of Russian board? There are two moderators there already. Xandry and Xal0lex is doing fine if I'm correct.

This thread is probably result of ego clash but theymos won't be giving priority to such things. Why we should start hating each other atleast here we should support each other and stop discussion of dirty politics. If you guys still wants then just go to the politics section and create a thread there.

I don't think that creating a Ukraine locale is essential and I can offer a simpler solution, which I will announce below.

Instead of people uniting here by common interests, people squabble and split the crypto community. Wasn for this Satoshi founded this forum?

Necessary measures must be taken. For example, instigators and violators can be temporarily punished (15-30 day ban) for inappropriate behavior and insults. Is there such a thing in the forum rules? Both sides of the conflict should be punished, depending on the degree of their violations. Henceforth it will cool their heads and they will think before they write anything here.

I hope the moderators will pay attention to the situation and try to resolve it.

P.S. Also, it's strange to me that discussions on political topics don't move (or don't have time to move) to the Politics & Society section. Maybe we will communicate within the framework of topics and sections and let's not turn the forum into one continuous section of politics? It's bitcointalk, not politictalk, isn't it?

Total posts, total pages don't make sense in terms of quality. Many pages in Vietnamese local thread is from years ago and full of spam. That's why that thread was locked (originally locked permanently) years ago (2018 perhaps) before I successfully asked for unlock it. After that, it is very inactively.

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I guess the main reason why Ukrainians post more often in Russian local board is firstly that is a local board, not a local thread that makes it better organized, more easily to find what you need and discuss with. Secondly, almost similar language.

However, I do see the point that the terrible war and invasion from Russia that triggered by Putin changed all. I am sure that it has changed all communication among Russians and Ukranians. Therefor, Ukrainians will have more reasons to request for their own local board.

This is the first thread I have come across regarding this issue, that doesn't represent an urgent request from the majority, it's your request.
You should be looking to back your request you with data so as to convince the admin that a local board is really needed and a thread is not sufficient to support the discussions.

That should mean that Ukrainians are not being marginalized as they are represented as moderators.
Although, admin is very selective in choosing a moderator and users who are selected usually have a low chance if being biased.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2627630


Are you done trolling?

I've checked those topics you've mentioned and I already expected to see that in 90% of the cases the user that was trying to ignite discussions with every post mentioning nazis was actually you, I missed my mark by 10%.

Well you could say that, but could you refer me to instances prior to this war were Ukrainians and Russians had a serious problem communicating in the same local board, maybe then i can start believing your assumptions that there have always been chaos like you're suggesting.
Again stop making assumptions, can you likewise refer me to instances of me making the disaster worse, i am waiting. And what independence are you talking about exactly? There are certain criterias for the creation of a local board, and activity is one very important one, since you are requesting for a local board, give Theymost reasons why he should create one, without saying there is chaos in the Russian locale and thus there should be a local board. Look at what a request for a local board should look like: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/request-for-nigeria-local-board-5315340
Since all activity of Ukrainians flow to the Russian locale, then this is what to do: Ukrainians should post in their local thread and boost the activity of the thread, and then should request for a local board. I really do not understand the seriousness of your tone and why you're making a needless comparison with the Nigerian local thread, but need i remind you that the Ukrainian local thread has been around since 2013 (over 9 years ago), with 280 pages of posts, while the Nigerian local thread was created in 2019 (over 3 years ago) with over 128 pages of posts, it definitely isn't a low activity thread, but then again, what is the comparison for?

First of all I'm not Russian or someone who doesn't like Ukraine, I'm neutral here.

The current Ukraine thread in Other languages/locations section only have 5581 posts, it's not the biggest since Vietnamese and Pakistan have more higher posts. Also Ukraine aren't active anymore started from 6 months ago, October 2021-March 2022 only create 22 it's really low activity.

So I don't think it's the right time to create the new section for Ukraine, it's doesn't have any activity and time wasting for @theymos to create it.

There is already a ukrainian local 'thread': https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ukrainian-236982 i know it is not a "fully-featured" board that you are asking for, but it is at least a place Ukrainians can discuss varieties of issues in their local language.

But having said that, don't you think if Theymos even does that (i mean accept your request), it could prolly send the wrong message, a message that we're fostering/fueling disunity, AFAIK, Ukrainians and Russians have communicated together in the Russian section for a long while without many problems till this war started, in my opinion i believe we should stand on the side of peace and hope this war ends asap and we all can settle our disputes and start discussing about Bitcoin as a community, like we used to.

This war will definitely end, but our actions during it as a community will decide if things will ever go back to normal on the forum between nationals of the two nations in conflict.

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