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May 20, 2016, 04:08:28 PM
#27
New customer with kraken. So far only 1 withdraw request made, my experience? Non-existent support, long delay and money still not arrived.

I am reaching out to reddit to express my utter dissatisfaction with using Kraken.com By 'using' i mean only for 2 weeks and already have experienced utter rubbish. I have requested a SEPA withdraw to my bank which took longer than 7 days (they suggest no more than 5) and only when i contacted support with spam emails did it say 'success' which leaves me to believe someone at kraken may have just changed the status themselves to shut me up. Support? non-existent, you get told to hang on for another section of support, good luck with seeking help. WHAT IS INFURIATING ME NOW is that it says 'success' but it has not arrived to my bank, i have phoned my bank and they claim SEPA takes not longer than 1-2 days and they cannot find my payment incoming anywhere, kraken do not provide you with a valid reference. Where is my money kraken? I have messaged constantly and it seems you get allocated to one support person, the person i am with currently is called 'joshua' and is clearly on holiday as not 1 support ticket has been answered from him.

Am i supposed to spam kraken with emails until something is done? this is ridiculous, what the hell did kraken invest in when they achieved funding - probably josh's holiday

Ridiculous. The amount in question is nearly $10,000 i will be contacting the police or booking a flight to their offices as this is no small amount from anyone.

UPDATE: after spamming their emails (you have to do this to get a response) the only person who has bothered to reply is one guy from nearly a week ago who responded before and has told me it is being investigated. NOT GOOD ENOUGH. THIS IS THEFT.


So they can't find your money incoming transaction. Why not show them? It wouldn't be that hard i think? You just find it on the blockchain?

Perhaps some screenshot of contact with them?

My experience with kraken (were it small or large withdrawals or questions) it was always good. Better then coinbaise to be honest.
donator
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May 20, 2016, 03:56:04 PM
#26
Rather similar story here,

Summary of my account activity : Deposit some BTC in 2015, shorted ETH a bit, That's it !

Now my account can't do BTC or ETH withdrawal. They say the investigation will last a few weeks. What is there to investigate for so long ?


sr. member
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May 20, 2016, 03:10:17 PM
#25
I am EU based and the exact amount was around $9,700

My open id for kraken pr team to check once they start feeling morally obliged to do something : AA97 N84G BUZH ZOQI


bitbitch,
I will upload my withdraw request in around 2 hours or so as i will be away from computer to add proof. I have already posted the countless emails not responded to and still have others that i deleted

franky1,
I will try this when i exercise all options



I will update you all on what happens and upload any contact i get from kraken but clearly joshua from their support team does not give a .....

Again to the pr team of kraken my open account id is : AA97 N84G BUZH ZOQI

I want my money and i will not be accepting you to tell me to 'wait' i have seen posts of people waiting months

either you've made a technical error, or you haven't read through the process properly and are misunderstanding something.

i have no affiliation to Kraken, but if this is resolved satisfactorily i think you will have a moral obligation to come back here and explain what really happened. trashing the reputation of an exchange that is quite well thought of is a bit off imho.
legendary
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May 20, 2016, 03:07:39 PM
#24
I'm not so sure about this situation, but I do know for a straight fact that their customer service is absolute horse shit. I was involved with Jesse in some of his side projects (ogrr) way before kraken went big and he offered several people positions on his support team for a rather decent wage. I got my wife and several of my friends involved as I had a good day job and they were in need. My wife and several of my friends would never receive pay checks even though they were several months over due. Eventually everyone got paid, but they all ended up quitting because they couldn't ever get in touch with someone when they needed it...

Ultimately they need to restructure their support crew, or outsource it to someone who knows what they're doing.
legendary
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May 20, 2016, 03:07:15 PM
#23
It could be several things. Are you based in Germany? If so, they run extra checks because German banks have a reputation of being lax and letting fraud happen.

Here is a thread from 2014 illustrating the German problem:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/29qn6h/kraken_account_frozen_funds_in_hostage/

The other issue might be with the amount you have withdrawn. I expect that lower amounts go through automatically but higher amounts need to be signed off. Again this is standard practice.

my experience is that German banks are stricter in enforcing regulations than banks in other EU countries.

It's Kraken's experience that counts - they've been operating for some time and will have developed profiles of the countries they are dealing with, and will have built that into their risk algos. Judging by what they've said elsewhere, they also run all transactions against blacklists issued to them by various govt fraud agencies, to ensure they arn't dealing with people they shouldn't be.
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May 20, 2016, 02:52:23 PM
#22
It could be several things. Are you based in Germany? If so, they run extra checks because German banks have a reputation of being lax and letting fraud happen.

Here is a thread from 2014 illustrating the German problem:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/29qn6h/kraken_account_frozen_funds_in_hostage/

The other issue might be with the amount you have withdrawn. I expect that lower amounts go through automatically but higher amounts need to be signed off. Again this is standard practice.

my experience is that German banks are stricter in enforcing regulations than banks in other EU countries.
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May 20, 2016, 02:49:29 PM
#21
It could be several things. Are you based in Germany? If so, they run extra checks because German banks have a reputation of being lax and letting fraud happen.

Here is a thread from 2014 illustrating the German problem:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/29qn6h/kraken_account_frozen_funds_in_hostage/

The other issue might be with the amount you have withdrawn. I expect that lower amounts go through automatically but higher amounts need to be signed off. Again this is standard practice.
sr. member
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May 20, 2016, 02:44:31 PM
#20
i remember Kraken took over Coinsetter earlier this year and support went a bit flaky after that while they worked on integrating Coinsetter's customer accounts.

i would be very surprised if the OP's accusation proves to be true. stealing $10,000? i very much doubt it.

this thread feels more like cynical FUD designed to damage the reputation of the exchange. OP has 8 posts, all in this thread. i would be questioning his reputation before that of Kraken.

'toys' and 'pram' come to mind.
legendary
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May 20, 2016, 02:41:45 PM
#19
none of the numbers work they all forward me to voicemail or give up, thanks for the help though

i am going to try facebook and spam the ceos linkedin later when i make an account on both

Then i guess all i am left with is calling the police in their local area but they probably couldnt care less.

I will probably have to book a flight there and make a scene

Maya, just saw your message, thanks i will try those things. Appreciate the advice

agreed dont waste the $2k on flights as it seems their addresses are drop boxes.
as for the police.. when it comes to financial 'crimes' they see it as civil rather than criminal and they would normally advise getting a lawyer.

i would suggest the SEC as they are operating a business in the US.
i would suggest the better business bureau because they are operating a business in the US..

.. by the way are you from the US or are you from the EU. because from what i remember kraken was more of an EU business at first
legendary
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May 20, 2016, 02:29:38 PM
#18
Hi guys thanks a lot for trying to help esp franky i will try those contact numbers

Hopefully i can find a quick solution before dishing out 2k on a flight to their office, i will try these contact numbers and also try messaging on their facebook page but i am not accepting any messages that tell me to 'wait' i have seen some posts on here and other forums where kraken have held on to customers for months telling them to 'wait' any indication of them slowing this down or trying to make me give up i will call the police.

don't spend 2K on tickets because you will find nobody at "office" Smiley  wait until Tuesday. I recommend you to contact them(politely) on Facebook and Tweeter as well. if still no answer, make a complaint with your local police and they will further contact FBI or find a lawyer in San Francisco. it will cost you up to 1000 usd and he will "take care" of them (in a good or bad way). anyway, you will receive your money.

next time, use a licensed exchanger(Circle is financial licensed in European Union).
legendary
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May 20, 2016, 02:17:51 PM
#17
Here's a little more info for you. That phone number resolves to a private residence in a small San Mateo county town called Menlo Park. Menlo Park is a pretty little community. Not many businesses but it has a large residential area with big trees and shitloads of old people. I wouldn't mind living there if it wasn't so far from the action.

seems like another drop box address.

like i said in my first post kraken although being alive for many years, people should not be consider them as a fully established enterprise.. as it definitely doesnt appear to have call centres and what not established banks do..

im not really for the whole freezing accounts due to AMl/KYC regs.. but for consumer protection reasons these "money transmission businesses" should have atleast fixed office with proper staff to qualify to be a MSB..

especially if they are in multi million dollar investment rounds.. im totally shocked they have most of their details forwarded to drop boxes/residential addresses..

shocked?!?! this is what I am saying for years. Smiley  Almost all the exchangers are the same. They don't have a real office. They work from home. It's not something bad but when you are talking about millions like these hipsters are doing, then you can afford a rent for a real office and 1-2 people as customer support, right?

Kraken is not a MSB. It's an outlaw company. Smiley

Kraken and ALL the other exchangers MUST be financial licensed otherwise they have no responsibility toward the clients Smiley

Try to call Itbit, Circle or Coinbase. You will get answer for sure. Why? Because they are licensed as money transmission businesses and this bring a lot of responsibility from their side.


legendary
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May 20, 2016, 02:13:38 PM
#16
Here's a little more info for you. That phone number resolves to a private residence in a small San Mateo county town called Menlo Park. Menlo Park is a pretty little community. Not many businesses but it has a large residential area with big trees and shitloads of old people. I wouldn't mind living there if it wasn't so far from the action.

seems like another drop box address.

like i said in my first post kraken although being alive for many years, people should not be consider them as a fully established enterprise.. as it definitely doesnt appear to have call centres and what not established banks do..

im not really for the whole freezing accounts due to AMl/KYC regs.. but for consumer protection reasons these "money transmission businesses" should have atleast fixed office with proper staff to qualify to be a MSB.. so i am shocked to see all the drama of the last few years about requiring licences to be a MB under the pretense of consumer protection.. yet these MSB's dont seem to have much in the way of consumer protection focus

especially if they are in multi million dollar investment rounds.. im totally shocked they have most of their details forwarded to drop boxes/residential addresses..
legendary
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May 20, 2016, 02:08:32 PM
#15
Here's a little more info for you. That phone number resolves to a private residence in a small San Mateo county town called Menlo Park. Menlo Park is a pretty little community. Not many businesses but it has a large residential area with big trees and shitloads of old people. I wouldn't mind living there if it wasn't so far from the action.
legendary
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May 20, 2016, 01:50:50 PM
#13
franky 1, thanks for the number

But also please consider my situation and try not to denounce it,

Their site advertises that if a payment takes longer than 5 days - tell support.

My status had been on 'sending' for longer than 6 days, now its a 'success' nearly 8-9 days but its not arrived to my account.

This is all done with SEPA. My bank tells me SEPA TAKES 1-2 Days

They took a cut from my withdraw request but find it difficult to respond to me?

I am not the only one. Stupid me i did not google 'kraken.com scam' other people have had the same issue and because their support team do not do their job people have to resort to complaining on forums for their pr team to act. Utter ridiculous. If they do not act i will call the police and book a flight there.


Litecoinguy, i am not sure i understand your post? please read as i mention some emails have been deleted and i have given them time before messaging.

i understand your situation.. but is that "nearly 6" .. normal days? meaning its only probably only nearly 4 business days.

as for banks saying 1-2 BUSINESS DAYS for sepa to transmit. that does not include any issues or admin delays. so many businesses say X+2 business days to be sure..

even some businesses doing salary/wage payment start administering and organising payments a week before the employee eventually receives it. so try not to think that 2 days should be a maximum.. but a expected safe minimum once authorised

im not trying to denouce your issue in anyway. im just trying to help you re-assess your expectactions to reality..

EG
if you made the request last friday night.. it probably would not even have gotton looked at until monday morning. so tuesday morning is 1 day, wednesday 2, thursday 3, and friday makes 4..

so you probably are not going to get anything until next monday/tuesday. but seeing as its mid afternoon in sanfransisco. its still worth calling them right now and get some concrete answers.

P.S i live in the UK and tried finding details of their UK office. but it seems to be a crappy 'drop box' address, and not a real office.
if i get any other contact details ill post them. but keep trying that number or message them ur support ticket number on their social media as that usually prompts a response because businesses hate bad publicity on social media
legendary
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May 20, 2016, 01:45:27 PM
#12
Oh, I see your mistake. You sent a bunch of money to an online business with a pretty website with lots of pictures of trendy, cool looking people.

They're based in San Francisco where I live. Based on the cool looking 30 somethings I personally know here, I'd say they run their business on a laptop hooked to free coffee shop wifi from a park bench located somewhere in the panhandle section of Golden Gate Park.

I could be wrong though. They might be running their business around the corner hooked to the free wifi at St Mary's hospital. ROFL

Edit: Have you tried looking for them at the San Francisco public library where Ross Ulbrich ran his multimillion dollar drug consignment store. LOL
legendary
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May 20, 2016, 01:44:36 PM
#11
you are talking bullshit, i did plenty of sepa with them, dozen and dozen of sepa never had any problem, each sepa has required only 8 hours to have the money on my bank acccount

something clearly is fishy on your side
legendary
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May 20, 2016, 01:40:07 PM
#10
The first email seems from yesterday Shocked Roll Eyes

NOW YOU UNDERSTAND - YESTERDAY! THESE SCAMMERS STOLE MY MONEY!!!!!111111111
legendary
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May 20, 2016, 01:36:11 PM
#9
it should in no way ever be considered to be treated on the same standards as established banks.

As if you can trust those. LMAO.
legendary
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May 20, 2016, 01:32:26 PM
#8
though kraken is a "proven tested" business, meaning it has been running for a while and lots of people have used it.. it should in no way ever be considered to be treated on the same standards as established banks.

its a business. not a established bank. so do not expect teams of call centre staff answering within an hour
its a business. not a established bank. so do not expect them to have fixed timescales of actions
its a business. not a established bank. so do not expect them to be on the same scale as banking infrustructure

with all that said,

if in doubt.. about your account call them and get hold of someone with some decision making powers. not just a customer service rep
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=260965170
(telephone number listed)

also post on their social media:
"please look into support ticket xxxxx, as the delay could lead to some bad press"

remember to swap out xxxxx with your actual support ticket number
- Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/krakenfx)
- Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/krakenfx)

but id try calling their phone first and getting hold of someone that is not just a customer service rep
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