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bobrova

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Quote from: coinsniperX on February 23, 2018, 04:52:39 PM

it was only one merits distribution, don't hurry up to delete your posts if they are middle- or high-quality. as far I understood there will be another distribution soon, more fair distribution +some members will have an opportunity to win additional merits(if at least one their post was already merited before). And maybe your posts which you are going to delete now would be merited from that 'fresh-distributed merits'.

What is the source of this information regarding another fair distribution ? I have not seen any such announcement by a staff here. Please quote that response if this is true. But the suggestion you gave applies even if no such update is done. Most of the members think that one will get merits instantly (in an hour or so). This is not true, sometimes a member may visit the post written by you later after few days, find it useful and thus leave some merits. You should forget about past posts and concentrate on what you are going to post now.

@rt27

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Activity: 227

Merit: 3

Quote from: coinsniperX on February 23, 2018, 04:52:39 PM

it was only one merits distribution, don't hurry up to delete your posts if they are middle- or high-quality. as far I understood there will be another distribution soon, more fair distribution +some members will have an opportunity to win additional merits(if at least one their post was already merited before). And maybe your posts which you are going to delete now would be merited from that 'fresh-distributed merits'.

Actually I learned a lot on my mistakes, it looks like I am a little bit idiot. Cheesy

Past is past. The important is the present, and you're right there are good members searching for the applicants to review their massages and if it is quality they will give merit.

coinsniperX

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Activity: 404

Merit: 11

it was only one merits distribution, don't hurry up to delete your posts if they are middle- or high-quality. as far I understood there will be another distribution soon, more fair distribution +some members will have an opportunity to win additional merits(if at least one their post was already merited before). And maybe your posts which you are going to delete now would be merited from that 'fresh-distributed merits'.

@rt27

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Activity: 227

Merit: 3

Quote from: ?? on ??

You got your wheels on getting merit. You kinda have idea there when I was reading your thread though sounds like your asking for it. The good thing is that thread was not asking directly any merits but you could analyze this one as the same as asking merit. It may sound good to you but we have to accept the truth that merits are given to those thread or post that is meaningful in regards with bitcoin system. I do not think that it includes merit system. Well good luck for the merits. May you gain merits from the thread you started.

First and foremost starting thread doesn't mean merit must be given. Even though I did a mistake still I'm dreaming to get merit sometimes in the future of my post. Honesty speaking we both need merit in the way of making progress.In addition merit must not be rewarded in wrong application.

Quote from: Welsh on February 18, 2018, 04:41:35 AM

Quote from: @rt27 on February 18, 2018, 04:32:53 AM

Ok, I got your point. Sorry
What if i will edit my post, is there a problem on that.?

As you can see I'm just on my way to learn on this forum. Rebuke is better than silence it shows you aren't selfish of your learnings. Anyways, thank you. I will bear in mind the new learnings of my mistake. Again thanks for being kind to correct my mistake.

Hope everyone seniors here will kindly rebuke anyone who did mistake to correct and improve the next and future discussion to each other.

Much appreciated. Again Sorry.
Best regard

There's no need to apologize, in theory we want the system to recognize good quality posts, and hopefully we'll reach the point in the future where almost all constructive posts get merit but, at the moment that isn't happening. This doesn't mean the system is failing either, there just isn't enough sources to distribute merit. When there are more sources covering the forum and not overlapping each other we should see an improvement in quality posts getting merited and you would be correct that helpful posts would get merited then.

Then, merit is in the process of effectively. This means that there are more exciting changes to come to make bitcoin great again.

krishnaverma

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Activity: 1470

Merit: 108

Quote from: ?? on ??

You got your wheels on getting merit. You kinda have idea there when I was reading your thread though sounds like your asking for it. The good thing is that thread was not asking directly any merits but you could analyze this one as the same as asking merit. It may sound good to you but we have to accept the truth that merits are given to those thread or post that is meaningful in regards with bitcoin system. I do not think that it includes merit system. Well good luck for the merits. May you gain merits from the thread you started.

Do not agree with this. Merit system is implemented for the whole forum. A member is free to merit any post in any section provided is is sensible and useful for the forum. If we limit merits to a particular section, members will not reply to genuine doubts of other members in various other sections.

Welsh

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Activity: 3304

Merit: 4115

Bad posts receiving merit should be eliminated eventually when most non source members lose all their merits, and thus the spamming should subside. You'll still see spammers copy and pasting and what not to try and get merit, but hopefully it won't be as much as it was a month ago.

It's true not all good posts should get merited, but quality on topic posts which provide something new to the discussion should probably receive merit. It should be hard to rank up and thought and work needs to be put into it to rank up, but it shouldn't be impossible.

bitperson

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Quote from: Welsh on February 18, 2018, 04:41:35 AM

hopefully we'll reach the point in the future where almost all constructive posts get merit but, at the moment that isn't happening. This doesn't mean the system is failing either, there just isn't enough sources to distribute merit.

I’m not even concerned about not all ‘good’ posts receiving merit. I think it’s quite acceptable for merit to remain somewhat scarce. What’s important is that bad posts don’t receive merit and that spammers thereby lose incentive.

Welsh

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Activity: 3304

Merit: 4115

Quote from: @rt27 on February 18, 2018, 04:32:53 AM

Ok, I got your point. Sorry
What if i will edit my post, is there a problem on that.?

As you can see I'm just on my way to learn on this forum. Rebuke is better than silence it shows you aren't selfish of your learnings. Anyways, thank you. I will bear in mind the new learnings of my mistake. Again thanks for being kind to correct my mistake.

Hope everyone seniors here will kindly rebuke anyone who did mistake to correct and improve the next and future discussion to each other.

Much appreciated. Again Sorry.
Best regard

There's no need to apologize, in theory we want the system to recognize good quality posts, and hopefully we'll reach the point in the future where almost all constructive posts get merit but, at the moment that isn't happening. This doesn't mean the system is failing either, there just isn't enough sources to distribute merit. When there are more sources covering the forum and not overlapping each other we should see an improvement in quality posts getting merited and you would be correct that helpful posts would get merited then.

@rt27

jr. member

Activity: 227

Merit: 3

Quote from: Welsh on February 18, 2018, 04:15:56 AM

Quote from: krishnaverma on February 18, 2018, 02:18:02 AM

Quote from: @rt27 on February 17, 2018, 11:07:13 AM

But if you think this massage is helpful why not merit.

Everything was good but this last line ruined it all. You need not ask for a merit, if the message is actually helpful.

You shouldn't ask for merit, but even if a message is helpful it might not get merited currently. There currently isn't enough sources to distribute merits. theymos did suggest in the future there will be a few hundred sources though and that should more than cover all sections of the forum and more posts should then be merited.

Ok, I got your point. Sorry
What if i will edit my post, is there a problem on that.?

As you can see I'm just on my way to learn on this forum. Rebuke is better than silence it shows you aren't selfish of your learnings. Anyways, thank you. I will bear in mind the new learnings of my mistake. Again thanks for being kind to correct my mistake.

Hope everyone seniors here will kindly rebuke anyone who did mistake to correct and improve the next and future discussion to each other.

Much appreciated. Again Sorry.
Best regard

Welsh

staff

Activity: 3304

Merit: 4115

Quote from: krishnaverma on February 18, 2018, 02:18:02 AM

Quote from: @rt27 on February 17, 2018, 11:07:13 AM

But if you think this massage is helpful why not merit.

Everything was good but this last line ruined it all. You need not ask for a merit, if the message is actually helpful.

You shouldn't ask for merit, but even if a message is helpful it might not get merited currently. There currently isn't enough sources to distribute merits. theymos did suggest in the future there will be a few hundred sources though and that should more than cover all sections of the forum and more posts should then be merited.

SamsungBitcoin

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Activity: 532

Merit: 280

Those merited post will not been deleted because no one will give merit in the trash tread and trash post merit will be given to relevant, constructive and good quality post why you think merited post will be delete?

krishnaverma

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Activity: 1470

Merit: 108

Quote from: @rt27 on February 17, 2018, 11:07:13 AM

But if you think this massage is helpful why not merit.

Everything was good but this last line ruined it all. You need not ask for a merit, if the message is actually helpful.

BTCeminjas

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Quote from: gopaljiverma on February 18, 2018, 12:59:06 AM

1) You make a post, someone quotes that post and gives a reply. Now you delete that post, making it look weird. If everyone starts doing this, we will see chaos here. Also, it is not justified for the members who took time to reply to your queries.

Yes you're right besides that's not help you eve though you deleted post and you're activity will lose if you do that.
Just keep on posting and if you know that was deserving to have smerit and that's okay.

Quote from: gopaljiverma on February 18, 2018, 12:59:06 AM

2.) If you delete all merited messages and keep only posts with merits, it will look suspicious.

I did not understand this question why you should delete all merited messages, if your thought that you will delete all unmerit post and remain the post with smerit then yes it might going you to ban i that way. No begging smerit just to earn maybe

Quote from: gopaljiverma on February 18, 2018, 12:59:06 AM

3) I know that there is lot of competition for merits but you need not affect your activity for that. If you learn from this and stop posting those meaningless post in future, it is more than sufficient.

Yes just keep on posting in high quality post i think there's maybe a chance to have smerit just relax and take it easy. Grin

krishnaverma

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Quote from: @rt27 on February 17, 2018, 11:35:27 AM

Quote from: Jet Cash on February 17, 2018, 11:22:00 AM

Go for it, but it will kill your activity count.

Thanks

I thought the most important now is merit not activity counts, coz activity doesn't help to rank up but the merit do.

That is not correct. If you got 10 merits for say 10 posts, you will not become a member. You will have to complete activity 60 to become a member from Jr. member.

gopaljiverma

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Activity: 93

Merit: 15

Quote from: @rt27 on February 17, 2018, 11:07:13 AM

Hello everyone

Due to the fact that without enough merit we couldn't rank up to Legendary in the future.
So, to avoid trash massages it is applicable to delete own unmerited massages or not.?

In simple logic if I'm not mistaken message without merit is not qualify to called it quality post.

In my own observation this forum system is full of meaningless discussion. Only few is meaningful.
Nothing is exempted. Everyone contributes useless massage.

Without any kinds of merit motives we know the fact that we have our own garbage.
But if you think this massage is helpful why not merit.

Here is why you should not do it:

1) You make a post, someone quotes that post and gives a reply. Now you delete that post, making it look weird. If everyone starts doing this, we will see chaos here. Also, it is not justified for the members who took time to reply to your queries.

2) If you delete all merited messages and keep only posts with merits, it will look suspicious.

3) I know that there is lot of competition for merits but you need not affect your activity for that. If you learn from this and stop posting those meaningless post in future, it is more than sufficient.

superjeyy

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Quote from: Welsh on February 17, 2018, 08:02:21 PM

Just because a post hasn't been merited doesn't mean it's not relevant. Users which aren't sources are likely to be more hands off in handing out merits and will only give it to truly exceptional posts. I agree that there should be an option for viewers of a thread to only see merited posts once we have a few hundred merit sources but, to delete unmerited posts would be unnecessary in my opinion.

What Welsh said is true, deleting unmerited posts just for the reason that it was unnoticed and unrecognized does not mean that it is insignificant. There are a lot of posts in here that are overlooked but are truly sensible. It's just that threads get congested and you really have to say something new to get noticed nowadays. Remember, you would need both activity and merit to progress in this forum. Disregarding one aspect won't help you advance further. Just hang in there!

Shamie1002

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Activity: 406

Merit: 102

Quote from: @rt27 on February 17, 2018, 11:07:13 AM

Hello everyone

Due to the fact that without enough merit we couldn't rank up to Legendary in the future.
So, to avoid trash massages it is applicable to delete own unmerited massages or not.?

In simple logic if I'm not mistaken message without merit is not qualify to called it quality post.

In my own observation this forum system is full of meaningless discussion. Only few is meaningful.
Nothing is exempted. Everyone contributes useless massage.

Without any kinds of merit motives we know the fact that we have our own garbage.
But if you think this massage is helpful why not merit.

I agree with Jet Cash and Darkstar_.

Also, mods are already doing their jobs in trashing useless threads.
Thinking that you are new, you probably haven't experienced it before. Activities and post counts are decreasing and many are fired up because of it.
Your suggestion will definitely go that way too.
There are so many threads about merits today since it was just implemented recently.
Merits are just trending nowadays, maybe if another set of rules will come up, it will be another reason for people to demand to just set everything the way it was used to be.

But I'll give you a thumbs up for trying Wink

Learn more my friend.

Welsh

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Activity: 3304

Merit: 4115

Just because a post hasn't been merited doesn't mean it's not relevant. Users which aren't sources are likely to be more hands off in handing out merits and will only give it to truly exceptional posts. I agree that there should be an option for viewers of a thread to only see merited posts once we have a few hundred merit sources but, to delete unmerited posts would be unnecessary in my opinion.

Eternu

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Activity: 560

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Quote from: @rt27 on February 17, 2018, 01:04:59 PM

My point is there are more spammers now than before.

In time Merit system will do its job, just you wait. There is no need for Unmerit function, not yet.

Large number of those shitposters are here either because of account farming or because of signature campaigns. Account farming mostly drops out with new ranking system. Also I believe that in time sig. campaigns will start looking for members with higher Merit number. So those two things will bring down number of shitposters.

@rt27

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Quote from: Jet Cash on February 17, 2018, 12:49:00 PM

Quote from: @rt27 on February 17, 2018, 11:35:27 AM

I thought the most important now is merit not activity counts, coz activity doesn't help to rank up but the merit do.

Your activity count is the metric that triggers a possible increase in your rank.

Merit is the gate that shuts upranking to spammers and bad posters. You need to collect enough points to obtain a key to open the gate to the next rank.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/faq-everything-you-need-to-know-about-forum-activity-account-ranks-and-merit-2766177
Ranks and activity:

Brand New: 0 posts
Newbie: 1-29 activity
Jr. Member: 30-59 activity = 1.5 months
Member: 60-119 activity = 2.5 months
Full Member: 120-239 activity = 4.5 months
Sr. Member: 240-4monthsember = 8.5 months
Hero Member: 480 activity = 1.3 yrs
Legendary: Somewhere between 775 and 1030 activity = 2 yrs

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-new-rank-requirements-2818350
Rank   Required activity   Required merit
Brand new   0   0
Newbie   1   0
Jr Member   30   0
Member   60   10
Full Member   120   100
Sr. Member   240   250
Hero Member   480   500
Legendary   Random in the range 775-1030   1000

I understand the difference of old and new system. Rank up before was too easy seems effortless mostly to spammers. Now in order to rank up starting from member to Legendary, merit is required base on the rank. So, at the present with merit there are jr with greater than 60 activity but still jr some with the above ranks coz not obtaining the required numbers of merit. My point is there are more spammers now than before.

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