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Ukrainians can use BTC-e to convert bitcoins to dollars, and use them for things like food, water, and transportation. With the current events, some people are not able to work, or travel around the city, and need financial help to survive.


Considering many of them are upset about failing social services and pensions, I don't think anarchy is what they are looking for.

BTC is exiting from here to https://blockchain.info/address/1NBGdoqtLWtqLYGx4Eb2DkSLTP6pb9SbiM
then to: https://blockchain.info/address/1Ne5bGjDdgmbsGdNK9ocwrQiWf8K1FTuSa
and: https://blockchain.info/address/1Facb8QnikfPUoo8WVFnyai3e1Hcov9y8T

click the links.

something about this worries me, even though I'd love to help our friends in the Ukraine.

If you really want to help the Ukrainians, go over there and tell them about anarchy, for that is the true solution they are seeking.

This is the main problem: as long as there isn't a semi-official organization, there's no way to do that properly.

Besides, I still fail to get how can bitcoins help these people: are there arms dealers accepting bitcoins?

I do not know if I can trust whoever is collecting this money. Is it going to ukrainians who want to take down oppressive government? Is it going to ukrainians who want to set up their own nationalistic oppressive government? Is it a scam where someone will take this money and run? How can we check?

Would you also proclaim the citizens of the United States that believe in the constitution to be terrorists?

Or is it possible the terrorists are actually the people in the government?

the Russian yoke  , you're crazy

Do not send your bitcoins to Maidan. Do not support terrorism!

As an American, I support neither option.  Choosing sides in a civil war usually leads to a poor outcome.  I do sympathize with the Ukrainians.  The way Russia chooses to periodically shut off their gas supply in the middle of winter as a means of negotiating new contracts in very underhanded.  Yet, joining sides with the opposition would just give Russia more incentive to bolster their puppet government, leading to an arms race.  If the Ukrainians want to throw off the Russian yoke, they are going to have to do it themselves.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y

It is really sad, but how exactly money will help people like that?

Donated. Besides that I am a support of the protests I love the fact that cryptocurrencies help to fight an authoritarian regime. Isn't that one of the reasons Bitcoin was made?

They media can't stop talking about pro-Euro/pro-Russian but it is mostly about getting rid of an undemocratic regime.
The pro-Russian ruling by the government was just the tip of the iceberg.

Hello, the world.

Ukraine needs you, your political and financial support.
Ukraine is undergoing through the process of change of regime: from old soviet style pro-Putin to democratic European. Ukraine is the border, between Russia and Europe, alike a remnant of Iron Curtain, protecting Europe from Russian influence.

There is no real democracy in Russia, nor in Ukraine, unless brainless zombi-black-box viewer believes with all his heart what his TV preaches every day on all channels how how good things are with one name only.

I won't speak much about politics, no need, no time, nor will I spend precious time on cheap smart-Aleck trolls, no time to make them happier today either.

We are group of those who really fight and we have no room to back out into piece treaty.
Our own government will devour us if it remains out of prison.
We are dedicated to death.

We do need your help.
Please, call your governor, senator, parliament member, whoever who has power to put pressure on European leaders. These hippocratic diplomats only say they do something, but in fact they don't.
They  could  have  blocked  bank  accounts  of our old style Ukrainian
oligarchs in power (yet), but they don't.
If Yanukovich (soon-ex) president and his gangster deputies will have no money to pay their pocketed police force officers personally 1,000-3,000  USD per day to fight civilians who are protesting from their heart and for free, and that is 60% of total population, the fight will be over soon. Police won't kill civilians for free.

So far statistics of Maidan revolution is:
5 dead, shot buy police bullets, unarmed civilian protesters.
30 missing, must be stolen by secret police and tortured, one of them found with one ear cut off.
2000 wounded with rubber bullets, noise gas grenades, or simply beaten and released.
Up to 500 arrested, some released, for based imprisonment bail-out.
40 cars of our leaders burned by secret police.

We stand on and stats change every day.

These are the true Ukrainians, true journalists, not redneck bums Yanukovich finds in ghettoes to fight on his side for 21 USD per day!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_hbI7zSB58

Here is transcript of what most popular journalists in Ukraine say:
_______________
We, the Ukrainian journalist, are shocked by events that are happening now in Ukraine.
Nevertheless, just a few months ago we could not even imagine that, in the 21-st century, in the European capital, there will be KIDNAPPING, TORTURE, ASSASSINATION of humans for their civilian position. We could never imagine that the government will shoot the journalists, that the government will use street gangs to intimidate civilians, but we do believe and know - Ukraine is big European country where there is so many different people with different standpoints. But within this diversity, it's not a weekends of the country, but its magnificence and strength. We have to hear and understand each other. There is a plenty of things, which unite the city of Rivne and Lugansk, Kiev and Odessa. We want to live in honest and fair country, where personality is appreciated, where one can express his views and be not afraid of police, where court rules by law but not by money, where there is true competitiveness and ability to earn honestly.
This is why we want the change of the WHOLE SYSTEM. We want to build together the new country, which will not embarrass its inhabitants, the country we will be proud of. I want to live in the country where the government knows - human dignity cannot be interfered. We, the Ukrainian journalists, are ready to do anything within our strength, so that the government hears the society, to stop resistance and the parties to agree.
The country must become peaceful and fair.
Glory to Ukraine.
_______________

This has been done BY GOVERNMENT to the one of the leaders of revolution on purpose.
He survived by accident after being beaten and left to die in the cold snow bleeding.
http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/269707/podtverjdenie_pytok_bulatova_fotofaktobnovleno

And it is not a dog, hey, GreenPeace for humans, where are you!?
Your government can probably do the same to you...  

Ok, you can't believe it.
USA government had shot and killed its own heroes, veterans of Vietnam war, ha, you did not know... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i91huA98Q8s

And that can be done by any government at any time in any country? Why ? Because they ae all humans.

Now, we do need your support,
Few bucks won't hurt your budget, just skip your beer today, and send few bucks off,
Or think if you can donate one full tank of fuel to Ukrainian revolution and settlement of new democratic pro-European government ?

You can be a hero of your own conscience, if you don't tell anyone, or a hero of your neighborhood if you do.

I want this post to be re-posted and re-twitted as much as possible. Please do. Why?
We stand on to the end. You may never hear from us, the group of journalists and activists, ever again, but! The message will be out there.

PM Azirov got scared of all the protests, and resigned !!!!
The guy did not even speak Ukrainian ever ! Only Russian!
Resigned  and  2  hours  later, on a private jet went immediately into
Euro-Integration with his son to Austria, he's got a little palace there, but all this time was leaning towards Russia.

Private jet, private palace... Private bank accounts to be closed down, because they are stolen from the taxes of people of Ukraine! He has made our country poor! And we have the richest soil in the whole world !

We do need you to participate.
There is about millions of people in the world, who have PayPal account or credit card.
If each one would have donated just anywhere from one dollar... Two dollars. That is a huge sum of money and we can go on fighting !


These are the things we need it for, pay attention at the third minute!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2V_NmlHhBA

Firewood, fuel for electric generators, heaters, gas, gas masks,  food, casks, bats, cameras, flush drives, printers, medicine, warm clothing, candles, the most peaceful  items ...

Then it may be used for medical bills, doctors, lawyers, etc. but no bribes this time.

The most popular earning scheme for corrupted cops is to find drugs he puts in your pocket one second ago, but this time in the presence of two fake leased witnesses.
Many  many  many  people  in  Ukraine have suffered from this trick of
cops.  This  is  why  every  Ukrainian hates a cop, unless he is a cop
himself.

So, please donate.

Hopefully  this  message  will  reach someone like Bill Gates or Craig
Barrett, who don't care about how much to donate.

One note only, please donate under $10,000, not over.
Paypal won't allow that, and can block an account.
Our goal is to reach the donation amount of $100,000.

Email in Paypal system to donate is [email protected]

Amount is adjustable and is up to you:
DOLLAR - https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=D563PW7H8DL4S
EURO - https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=8RB3V7M2EUBLG

That will make change in Ukraine.
Big change. Thank you.

Regards,
New Ukraine

Read again the phrase which is given in bold.

  I live in Ukraine and oppose Yanukovych. Whatever it was, but this does not give people the power to live. People are just trying to survive and exist. All financial flows are concentrated in their hands, corruption terrible police real bandits. Beggarly wages and pensions. I know that in Europe, too, is not sugar, but we live in this way can no longer.
  We do not want war. We want to change. Support us please. PayPal [email protected]
My page on facebook www.facebook.com/sergiy.melnik.75 Thank you.

Not profitable? If Ukraine joins the EU there is a free market of 50.000.000 potentialt customers for european and american producst. Ukraine is not producing much they will buy everything from EU and USA from food to machines and weapons what means they will be slaves!

I can agree with you about Ukraine tho, it's not really that profitable to have it under full control, the only upside is free pass to Black sea and chance to have military base near Russia, but there is no oil or gas there. 

Hmm.... private contractors and defense manufacturers can make money.... And there is enough petroleum to be stolen from countries such as Iraq. So overall... there might be a profit.

Sure war costs much but it's gives much too. Orders for military tech, jobs to fulfill this orders etc. I don't think that Obama have a lot of concerns about few Americans lives compared to the profit of war.

No. War is not the most effective method.

Just think about Ukraine. Obama wants an American puppet in Kiev. Here are his options:

1. Go to war against Yanukovych. Costs a lot of money (billions of $$$) and a lot of American lives.

2. Support the local opposition (with money, weapons and propaganda). Costs very little money, and definitely ZERO American lives.

Which one of the above options would you chose?

Agreed, but unfortunately war is just the most effective method :/

True man. It is like a puzzle if you compare yugoslavia,afghanistan,syria,ukraine,libya,ussr and more. like you said the list is too long. And its not only war. Every thing they do is a plan to reach the full controll of the world.