Merits another issue of the forum, shitty post get merits has 3 reason
1. they a couple
2. they pay for it
3. they know each other
4. they butt licker ( you know what I mean )
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which is a problem when some good signature campaign is show up - there simply aren't enough qualified members.
I think the reverse is actually the case here, just as it has been said earlier in this thread. I think it's a dearth of BTC good signature campaign rather than lack of good posters, and I also think there are more than enough good posters to go round the campaigns, but there are not just enough open slots for them, which takes them to enroll in the majority campaigns which happens to be shitty ICO campaigns; which might actually be a waste of time for them, and no compensation for their good efforts through their posts on the forum. Personal preference is very important factor in merit system,
I agree with you on this and it's due to a user appreciating anothers posting style, which is very important, and the impression the user has created on the forum, good posters who have cemented their legacy as such(good posters)tend to always receive merits even if what's written at that particular time is just normal or not worth merits, thats why it's always important for users to create good impressions on the forum and present themselves as good/quality posters from the outset.
Yeah, it probably is too low. On the other hand, at least those campaigns have a merit requirement--there's no obligation for a manager to require a particular number of merits, and it's a good thing when they do.
Merit requirement is sometimes good, but it should not be the sole criterion for campaign managers - some members earn merits only by using their alt accounts of by buying them. Quality posts usually entails merits, so it is not difficult to choose between good and bad members. What we can all see is a very small number of members who are ranking up thanks to some contributions to the forum, which is a problem when some good signature campaign is show up - there simply aren't enough qualified members.
...which indicates that there is some sort of personal preference , 5 people might think your posts deserve to be merited while 10 other people might think your posts are complete trash , some people do post quality posts but members hate them for their shitty attitude - thus they earn way less merit than other members with the same post quality.
I totally agree with your opinion, for those who are active on a daily basis on forum it's not hard to notice that some members have their favorites when it comes to merit, and some members always get merited, others never or on rare occasions. Personal preference is very important factor in merit system, so it's not all about writing quality posts. Some members have even publicly admitted that that they got 50 merits for single post, even if that post was not some super extra quality content.
We have
I know that page, and that statistics on total merits generated and allocated to merit sources, but today you reminded me about that. Fortunately, I likely more creative today, and discovered interesting fact from those statistics.Quote
131 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 21045 sMerit per 30 days
21045 sMerits per 30 days, so if we take average per day, it is nearly 702 available sMerits to be available from merit sources (only account for allocated sMerits for sources).
From my threads, the median of intra-day merits so far is 628 (from Time Series Analysis on Distributed Merits in the forum (daily, weekly, monthly))
(2) Median of intraday merits over the period is 628;
It discloses the fact that there are merit sources often not use all of their monthly sMerits cap. The median at 628 sMerits circulated per day is for all forum, and merit sources are just one of components. Additionally, merit sources earn merit themselves - they are excellent posters, and they certainly have more sMerits than monthly allocated ones
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. di 21035/30
701.16667
. di (628-702)/702*100
-10.541311
To sum up, both merit sources and normal users have still hoarded their sMerits (different extents for each user). Me too. 701.16667
. di (628-702)/702*100
-10.541311
@op is not far away from the truth on how merit is been abused by some group of members in this forum. However, thank to some members here that has been finding out those merits’ abuse and has been tagging them.
The forum is large and that makes it very difficult for us to have a system that is free from abusing and manipulation.
The forum is large and that makes it very difficult for us to have a system that is free from abusing and manipulation.
There really is no need for a proof, we all know that most of us here don't really have the same "standards" when it comes to sending merit , I sometimes merit posts that make me laugh , I would like to see a single member who sent a few hundreds of merit without having merited a funny-shitty post, I am willing to bet on "none".
The problem with these newbies coming in thinking the merit system is being used by a bot that is always consistent, which is not the case, in fact if you look at suchmoon's topic Users that you should merit, you will notice that some merit sources haven't sent a single merit to some members who earned over 1000 merit, which indicates that there is some sort of personal preference , 5 people might think your posts deserve to be merited while 10 other people might think your posts are complete trash , some people do post quality posts but members hate them for their shitty attitude - thus they earn way less merit than other members with the same post quality.
I personally don't see anything seriously wrong with how the merit system works ,despite the imperfection, it is doing just fine.
People complain and cry when see laughing posts received merits. They instantly judge that merit senders and receivers are merit abusers. They don't understand that everyone need laugh to have a happy life. Furthermore, no one can rank up with such posts; because if they earn 100 merits in total, and all of those 100 earned merits are come from laughing posts, they will sure be considered as abusers.The problem with these newbies coming in thinking the merit system is being used by a bot that is always consistent, which is not the case, in fact if you look at suchmoon's topic Users that you should merit, you will notice that some merit sources haven't sent a single merit to some members who earned over 1000 merit, which indicates that there is some sort of personal preference , 5 people might think your posts deserve to be merited while 10 other people might think your posts are complete trash , some people do post quality posts but members hate them for their shitty attitude - thus they earn way less merit than other members with the same post quality.
I personally don't see anything seriously wrong with how the merit system works ,despite the imperfection, it is doing just fine.
Intensity and quantity of those laughing posts and merits earned mixed together to help us judge someone abuse merits or not.
Nowadays, black market of merit or black market of accounts have come to end, due to Trust, Flags, merit system. A bought-legendary account will be caught if apply in bitcoin paid campaign, and with shit-post history, will never get acceptance.
I personally don't see anything seriously wrong with how the merit system works ,despite the imperfection, it is doing just fine.
I agree with your opinion that there are no specific rules in terms of getting merit, it depends on the good of someone if someone likes it they provide merit there sometimes there are interesting things about merit here. The merit given in the post is not the same as the merit given on the first or second page in the machine part. Pages are not provided corresponding Merit Merit most cases it works is still unknown.
Can you quote them or something if you can't post an image?
There really is no need for a proof, we all know that most of us here don't really have the same "standards" when it comes to sending merit , I sometimes merit posts that make me laugh , I would like to see a single member who sent a few hundreds of merit without having merited a funny-shitty post, I am willing to bet on "none".
The problem with these newbies coming in thinking the merit system is being used by a bot that is always consistent, which is not the case, in fact if you look at suchmoon's topic Users that you should merit, you will notice that some merit sources haven't sent a single merit to some members who earned over 1000 merit, which indicates that there is some sort of personal preference , 5 people might think your posts deserve to be merited while 10 other people might think your posts are complete trash , some people do post quality posts but members hate them for their shitty attitude - thus they earn way less merit than other members with the same post quality.
I personally don't see anything seriously wrong with how the merit system works ,despite the imperfection, it is doing just fine.
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Seems the OP is the one that promotes the so-called "black market of merit". You've been busted as a ban evader, a merit trader between your alts. Good find there @YOSHIE!Sooner or later you can complain on the email for appealing your ban but I guess the chance is so rare for you to get unbanned or even have a temporary or a signature ban.
Just simply copy the thread link and post it down right here. Even tho, there are really obvious in the merit system it is really quite hard to provide a very solid evidences especially if the trade conversion happens outside the forum.
I really hate it when the subjective matter are actually being used to abuse this system.
It happened, Merit was traded with Alt.I really hate it when the subjective matter are actually being used to abuse this system.
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I highly doubt Legendary members would be buying Merit, they don't have any use for it (except for bragging rights).
I doubt it too. I sure as hell wouldn't buy any merits, not even for bragging rights--it just doesn't matter that much to me since I don't need them to rank up any further. I didn't suck Foxpup off, either, by the way. He's apparently just a fan of my posts.OP, I'd be curious to know what posts you're talking about. Can you quote them or something if you can't post an image? I do agree that there are many posts made by higher-ranked members that get merited, and the quality of said posts is iffy. It just happens from time to time, and it's not exclusive to Hero and Legendary ranks.
People give merits for all sorts of different reasons, so I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that there's anything suspicious about it when it happens. I've merited posts that were just memes, and I've merited very short posts if they made me laugh or if I strongly agreed with them. I try not to do that anymore, but if you looked through my meriting history, you'd be sure to find examples of posts that you'd likely think didn't deserve to be merited.
I agree with this, there is many Legendary members who did not get not even one merit so far, and some campaigns requiring at least 5 merits, which is too low in my opinion.
Yeah, it probably is too low. On the other hand, at least those campaigns have a merit requirement--there's no obligation for a manager to require a particular number of merits, and it's a good thing when they do. legendary
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This is just a phase, no worries you'll grow out of it when you do rank up, if only you take a decision to pay less attention to who is getting meriting and more attention to developing yourself into getting merited. We have
Hardly before you see any Hero/Legendary (mostly old era) members having above 500/1000 earned smerits that's just to prove there isn't much meriting ongoing at those rank as the lower rank presumed. The 1,2,3 meriting you see, does nothing much to those ranks in regards to ranking up.
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131 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 21045 sMerit per 30 days
meaning there's enough smerit to go round. Before the recent appointment of new merit sources there was still a large amount of monthly smerits, circulating the forum. Substracting the propose merit abuses you speak of by the Hero/legendary rank, there would had still been enough smerits to go round.Hardly before you see any Hero/Legendary (mostly old era) members having above 500/1000 earned smerits that's just to prove there isn't much meriting ongoing at those rank as the lower rank presumed. The 1,2,3 meriting you see, does nothing much to those ranks in regards to ranking up.
Most campaign managers(top BTC campaign managers) have been in the system for a very long time, some are merit sources, spam busters, DT members, mods etc, their cv speaks for them, thus it'll be a stroll in the park for them, deciding if a post is worth a merit for whatever reason possible.
This is true for campaigns which pay in BTC, which makes sense; if a company are paying real money for their advertising, then they only want to hire the best campaign manager and the best posters. The problem is that BTC paying campaigns are the minority of all campaigns. The majority of campaigns are paid in newly created altcoins or tokens which the creators pre-mine, and so their advertising literally doesn't cost them anything. For these campaigns, they will hire any old manager who doesn't care about merit, and any old users with minimal or even zero earned merit to spam for them.There have been several solutions suggested over the previous year, including removing or decaying all airdropped merit, removing signatures if no merit earned in the last x months, renting your signature for the cost of 1 merit per month, and so forth. I do think there is some merit (pun intended) to these suggestions; a lot of the spammers are either depending on airdropped merit or a single merit from months ago which was likely bought.
I think any account which hasn't earned any merit in the last 12 months should lost a possibility to wear a signature. Perhaps it would contribute to a more quality posting on the forum.
This would be a shrewd idea if you look at it from one angle, but i do not see theymos putting any signature restrictions(such as this)anytime soon.The onus falls on the campaign/campaign managers to do so, if they feel it'll help clean the campaign off bad posters, and I think top campaign managers look into this, they check the general posting quality, if it's good, then the user must have earned one merit in 12 months, hence eligible; if its terrible, with no merits in the last 365 days, then it'll be a no, except in cases where the account is inactive, which they hardly even consider.
How can a campaign manager judge that a comment worth a Merit or isn't if it is a subjective assessment system?
Most campaign managers(top BTC campaign managers) have been in the system for a very long time, some are merit sources, spam busters, DT members, mods etc, their cv speaks for them, thus it'll be a stroll in the park for them, deciding if a post is worth a merit for whatever reason possible. 
I think any account which hasn't earned any merit in the last 12 months should lost a possibility to wear a signature. Perhaps it would contribute to a more quality posting on the forum.
That includes punishing inactive accounts, such as this one.Any good campaign manager would still check the post quality, including the Merited posts. If the post isn't worth it, it shouldn't be counted as merited to qualify for the campaign.
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I agree with this, there is many Legendary members who did not get not even one merit so far, and some campaigns requiring at least 5 merits, which is too low in my opinion.
I think any account which hasn't earned any merit in the last 12 months should lost a possibility to wear a signature. Perhaps it would contribute to a more quality posting on the forum.Any good campaign manager would still check the post quality, including the Merited posts. If the post isn't worth it, it shouldn't be counted as merited to qualify for the campaign.
How can a campaign manager judge that a comment worth a Merit or isn't if it is a subjective assessment system? Sometimes signature campaign managers require a minimum amount of earned merit in the last n days, but many Legendary accounts for various reasons do not match these conditions, so I do think it's possible that some Legendaries buy merit.
Any good campaign manager would still check the post quality, including the Merited posts. If the post isn't worth it, it shouldn't be counted as merited to qualify for the campaign.I agree with this, there is many Legendary members who did not get not even one merit so far, and some campaigns requiring at least 5 merits, which is too low in my opinion.
Merits have become commodities, people are always looking for a way to bypass the system and if it is possible to earn on it. Buying / selling merits is just one way to get them, but there is not secret that some members use their alt accounts for merit exchange between them.
I've seen prices up to $20 per Merit. At that rate, it's even cheaper to hire someone to write a high quality post (with the risk of plagiarism!). I really don't get that people would rather pay that much for a single Merit than puting some effort in their posts. Merits have become commodities, people are always looking for a way to bypass the system and if it is possible to earn on it. Buying / selling merits is just one way to get them, but there is not secret that some members use their alt accounts for merit exchange between them.
Sometimes signature campaign managers require a minimum amount of earned merit in the last n days, but many Legendary accounts for various reasons do not match these conditions, so I do think it's possible that some Legendaries buy merit.
I agree with this, there is many Legendary members who did not get not even one merit so far, and some campaigns requiring at least 5 merits, which is too low in my opinion.
Merits have become commodities, people are always looking for a way to bypass the system and if it is possible to earn on it. Buying / selling merits is just one way to get them, but there is not secret that some members use their alt accounts for merit exchange between them.
However in general merits are not moderated, user can give from 1 to 50 merits to any post no matter how post seemed shitty in the eyes of the one who reads the same post.
I highly doubt Legendary members would be buying Merit, they don't have any use for it (except for bragging rights).
Sometimes signature campaign managers require a minimum amount of earned merit in the last n days, but many Legendary accounts for various reasons do not match these conditions, so I do think it's possible that some Legendaries buy merit.
I have screenshot of some posts which get merit like this but I don't know how can i post here. So can anyone please guide me for post that screenshots here.
There is no use of posting them anywhere. Like others said, giving out merits is subjective and you may not find some post worthy of getting merit but someone else might feel them to be worth it. I would rather tell you to not be so critical about which post is getting merit and if your posts are not getting merits, which is what actually is bothering you.Be a participant in discussions as much as your knowledge goes and be a good observer. Every system is going to have some amount of abuse but it is the best the admins could come up with to curb some of the spam in many sections of the forum and prevent low quality posters from ranking up.
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