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Topic: Delta Financial Offers Interest-Bearing Bitcoin Accounts - page 2. (Read 5012 times)

legendary
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amarha
I can see people are taking the pirateat40 model.

For any newbies, pirateat40 had a ponzi scheme, which first started off him trying to day trade the funds to get the 7% he was offering.

I don't think it's fair to compare 5% per year with the 7% per week Pirateat40 offered at Bitcoin Saving and Trust.

It is the same model, you do realize that.

How so? This bank is loaning out leverage to people with the deposited btc is it not? Pirate didn't do anything of the sort.

Yes pirate traded his currency, and this bank is lending it out to people to trade. What happens if whales come in and just easily scape the trades and take all the coins, then you don't get your 5% or any coins back. It is highly risky, and so was pirate, same model. Please do your research.

It's not the same model at all. They also take US dollars and they're not just going to give out leverage to anyone who walks in the door. Not to mention they will stop people out of a trade if they have to.

It's really not like Pirate at all. A person who took peoples deposits and attempted to day trade with them while promising them ~370% interest is not the same as a financial institution offering 5% per year. Offering leverage and profiting of peoples trading is not the same at all to day trading. I can't imagine where you're connecting the two.

I am looking at both from a rational view. You are looking at one as this financial institution which can't lose money. Plus do they even have the proper licenses? And yes they are giving accounts to anyone that walks in the door, I was given account their Wink I seen there beta in action.

I agree with you that it's not risk free and it's certainly possible that they could lose money. I just feel it's quite different than the Pirate situation is all.
sr. member
Activity: 342
Merit: 250
Just from a topical standpoint this website does not look like one I'd run and go throw all my money into....
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
I can see people are taking the pirateat40 model.

For any newbies, pirateat40 had a ponzi scheme, which first started off him trying to day trade the funds to get the 7% he was offering.

I don't think it's fair to compare 5% per year with the 7% per week Pirateat40 offered at Bitcoin Saving and Trust.

It is the same model, you do realize that.

How so? This bank is loaning out leverage to people with the deposited btc is it not? Pirate didn't do anything of the sort.

Yes pirate traded his currency, and this bank is lending it out to people to trade. What happens if whales come in and just easily scape the trades and take all the coins, then you don't get your 5% or any coins back. It is highly risky, and so was pirate, same model. Please do your research.

It's not the same model at all. They also take US dollars and they're not just going to give out leverage to anyone who walks in the door. Not to mention they will stop people out of a trade if they have to.

It's really not like Pirate at all. A person who took peoples deposits and attempted to day trade with them while promising them ~370% interest is not the same as a financial institution offering 5% per year. Offering leverage and profiting of peoples trading is not the same at all to day trading. I can't imagine where you're connecting the two.

I am looking at both from a rational view. You are looking at one as this financial institution which can't lose money. Plus do they even have the proper licenses? And yes they are giving accounts to anyone that walks in the door, I was given account their Wink I seen there beta in action.
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1002
amarha
I can see people are taking the pirateat40 model.

For any newbies, pirateat40 had a ponzi scheme, which first started off him trying to day trade the funds to get the 7% he was offering.

I don't think it's fair to compare 5% per year with the 7% per week Pirateat40 offered at Bitcoin Saving and Trust.

It is the same model, you do realize that.

How so? This bank is loaning out leverage to people with the deposited btc is it not? Pirate didn't do anything of the sort.

Yes pirate traded his currency, and this bank is lending it out to people to trade. What happens if whales come in and just easily scape the trades and take all the coins, then you don't get your 5% or any coins back. It is highly risky, and so was pirate, same model. Please do your research.

It's not the same model at all. They also take US dollars and they're not just going to give out leverage to anyone who walks in the door. Not to mention they will stop people out of a trade if they have to.

It's really not like Pirate at all. A person who took peoples deposits and attempted to day trade with them while promising them ~370% interest is not the same as a financial institution offering 5% per year. Offering leverage and profiting of peoples trading is not the same at all to day trading. I can't imagine where you're connecting the two.
legendary
Activity: 1302
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
Some of the largest corporations in the world use Amazon Web Services.
AWS is the leader in distributed computing services...why are you face palming?

Also all SSL certs are the exact same shit.

for information display fine,

but for a financial firm that may end up holding millions of other peoples funds.... come on, btcdelta seems a little low end

Just saying, there's nothing amateurish about AWS.
http://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/


and thats all good for informational displaying corporations.. but banking security-level infrastructure.. btcdelta seems a bit lacking

Can you back your opinion with any further information?  Are you an expert on computer security infrastructure?

So, they are using the cloud...so what?
Very little can be concluded just based on that, IMO.

There can be just as much security risk running their
own physical servers, and possibly a lot more other
risks such as server availability, DDOS, maintenance, etc.


legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
I can see people are taking the pirateat40 model.

For any newbies, pirateat40 had a ponzi scheme, which first started off him trying to day trade the funds to get the 7% he was offering.

I don't think it's fair to compare 5% per year with the 7% per week Pirateat40 offered at Bitcoin Saving and Trust.

It is the same model, you do realize that.

How so? This bank is loaning out leverage to people with the deposited btc is it not? Pirate didn't do anything of the sort.

Yes pirate traded his currency, and this bank is lending it out to people to trade. What happens if whales come in and just easily scape the trades and take all the coins, then you don't get your 5% or any coins back. It is highly risky, and so was pirate, same model. Please do your research.
legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4766
Some of the largest corporations in the world use Amazon Web Services.
AWS is the leader in distributed computing services...why are you face palming?

Also all SSL certs are the exact same shit.

for information display fine,

but for a financial firm that may end up holding millions of other peoples funds.... come on, btcdelta seems a little low end

Just saying, there's nothing amateurish about AWS.
http://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/


and thats all good for informational displaying corporations.. but banking security-level infrastructure.. btcdelta seems a bit lacking
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
Some of the largest corporations in the world use Amazon Web Services.
AWS is the leader in distributed computing services...why are you face palming?

Also all SSL certs are the exact same shit.

for information display fine,

but for a financial firm that may end up holding millions of other peoples funds.... come on, btcdelta seems a little low end

Just saying, there's nothing amateurish about AWS.
http://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/

legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4766
Some of the largest corporations in the world use Amazon Web Services.
AWS is the leader in distributed computing services...why are you face palming?

Also all SSL certs are the exact same shit.

for information display fine,

but for a financial firm that may end up holding millions of other peoples funds.... come on, btcdelta seems a little low end
hero member
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Merit: 500
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ANY company which pays INTEREST on bitcoin deposits is a FRAUD

Pure and simple!
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
smells fishy to me

reasons
1. using amazon servers (facepalm)
2. the leaders lack financial trading skills - https://www.btcdelta.com/company
3. a hong kong registered company with offices in vancouver, but servers in seatle
4. cheap security certificates (comodo)...



Some of the largest corporations in the world use Amazon Web Services.
AWS is the leader in distributed computing services...why are you face palming?

Also all SSL certs are the exact same shit.
legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4766
smells fishy to me

reasons
1. using amazon servers (facepalm)
2. the leaders lack financial trading skills - https://www.btcdelta.com/company
3. a hong kong registered company with offices in vancouver, but servers in seatle
4. cheap security certificates (comodo)...

has everyone forgot mtgox
a asian company that had years of issues trying to get american bank accounts and american licences. lacked financial experience, etc

legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1002
amarha
I can see people are taking the pirateat40 model.

For any newbies, pirateat40 had a ponzi scheme, which first started off him trying to day trade the funds to get the 7% he was offering.

I don't think it's fair to compare 5% per year with the 7% per week Pirateat40 offered at Bitcoin Saving and Trust.

It is the same model, you do realize that.

How so? This bank is loaning out leverage to people with the deposited btc is it not? Pirate didn't do anything of the sort.
legendary
Activity: 812
Merit: 1002
Storing bitcoin at some institution even for some 7% return is utter foolishness and risking one's own wealth. Should be avoided at any cost.

I do agree that putting your btc in someone else's hand for a long time is rather foolish, and it's counter intuitive for what btc is suppose to be. This now becomes very similar to our current banking system. But when you make the rate comparison to banks, it's doesn't seem so bad. In the US, you get something around 0.03% interest when left in a savings account, which you're guaranteed to lose money because inflation percentage is higher than the interest banks give. 7% sure as hell beats 0.03% + inflation.
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
I can see people are taking the pirateat40 model.

For any newbies, pirateat40 had a ponzi scheme, which first started off him trying to day trade the funds to get the 7% he was offering.

I don't think it's fair to compare 5% per year with the 7% per week Pirateat40 offered at Bitcoin Saving and Trust.

It is the same model, you do realize that.
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1002
amarha
I can see people are taking the pirateat40 model.

For any newbies, pirateat40 had a ponzi scheme, which first started off him trying to day trade the funds to get the 7% he was offering.

I don't think it's fair to compare 5% per year with the 7% per week Pirateat40 offered at Bitcoin Saving and Trust.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
I am hesitant to put my funds anywhere but in my own wallet. If this company stays around for a while it might be interesting, but holding your own coin is the only truly safe way to do it at this point.
legendary
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Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
Delta Financial is a Bitfinex clone. Basically, you provide funds that Delta Financial loans out for margin trading. If the trader goes bust, Delta Financial is supposed to cover it. If Delta Financial goes bust, you lose your coins.

but that could never happen. thats like saying the worlds biggest bitcoin exchange could go bankrupt  Roll Eyes
legendary
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The revolution will be digital
So. Financial institutions are beginning to take the tack of, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em." Good, bad, ugly? http://www.coindesk.com/delta-financial-offers-interest-bearing-bitcoin-accounts/

Bitcoin is a deflationary currency by nature and it is still in its early infancy. As per current price, it has rose 600% in last 4 years. Storing bitcoin at some institution even for some 7% return is utter foolishness and risking one's own wealth. Should be avoided at any cost.

p.s. I dont get the fact why CoinDesk covers this kind of businesses on a +ve note !!!
hero member
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5% p.a. is high. Bitfinex is only ~ 1.5%.

Realistically until either a blue-chip firm joins the field or somebody comes up with a multi-sig type solution, the solvency risk is just too high for the return involved. 
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