[DeM] Deutsche eMark - DEM - cryptocoin SHA256 POS/POW - page 36.

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Quote from: glen123 on June 05, 2017, 09:59:08 AM

Mhmhm
Something strange
Please can you post your enviroment and wallet version ?
On linux : whats your current output from "DATE" according to atom time
on windows : whats your systemtime according to atom time , is there a glitch ?
https://www.uhrzeit.org/atomuhr.php

enviroment:
Debian GNU/Linux 8.8 (jessie)
Linux version 3.16.0-4-amd64

wallet version:

Code:

    "version" : "v1.4.1.0",
    "protocolversion" : 60010,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
...
    "timeoffset" : -1,
...
    "connections" : 18,
...
    "testnet" : false,
...
    "errors" : ""

Code:

$ date
Mon Jun  5 10:20:00 CDT 2017

Less than 1 sec difference from the page on link (4 tries - 2 read same and 2 read the page was 1 sec behind me).

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Mhmhm

Something strange

Please can you post your enviroment and wallet version ?

On linux : whats your current output from "DATE" according to atom time
on windows : whats your systemtime according to atom time , is there a glitch ?

https://www.uhrzeit.org/atomuhr.php

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Quote from: dbkeys on June 05, 2017, 05:39:52 AM

Important to be running NTP (Network Time Protocol)
...

Do that and you end up with:

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ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool : nonstandard transaction: time-too-new

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Quote from: glen123 on June 05, 2017, 09:01:51 AM

..?
Can You Please post the entire Log (section) for that block ?
Chain still good and works as aspected
Edit : what and where you try to purchase ?

I'm not currently trying to purchase anything, I'm talking about the long-term usage of the coin. It's somewhat moot at the current point, when there are more blocks per day than transactions; however, if at a future point there are more transactions than fit into a single block, that's a possibility of what one might experience.

As for specific reference to the amount of block dumps:

Code:

ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=3ee2bd2792208d94dcfe77e5d08a19a29c2840c9a39be88ba3ac914d412afabd  height=1282358  trust=5784648408497535028424  blocktrust=3092563272725  date=06/05/17 13:46:56
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=1ab95a7cf23c35f5ba6ec8b1205a00dbc4b7e2f9c718d5ae8021138ace7f63d0  height=1282359  trust=5784648411637010385440  blocktrust=3139475357016  date=06/05/17 13:47:12
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
REORGANIZE
REORGANIZE: Disconnect 3 blocks; 000000000000001e79ebaa9fa9c22738e0033e03bddd5881404b145f048289ef..1ab95a7cf23c35f5ba6ec8b1205a00dbc4b7e2f9c718d5ae8021138ace7f63d0
REORGANIZE: Connect 1 blocks; 000000000000001e79ebaa9fa9c22738e0033e03bddd5881404b145f048289ef..00000000000000841886605279d7f58abc081c217e8b1090384f8fa5f7b9e7fc
REORGANIZE: done
SetBestChain: new best=00000000000000841886605279d7f58abc081c217e8b1090384f8fa5f7b9e7fc  height=1282357  trust=5784708422796399995006  blocktrust=60020672388688788  date=06/05/17 13:45:31
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
REORGANIZE
REORGANIZE: Disconnect 1 blocks; 000000000000001e79ebaa9fa9c22738e0033e03bddd5881404b145f048289ef..00000000000000841886605279d7f58abc081c217e8b1090384f8fa5f7b9e7fc
REORGANIZE: Connect 4 blocks; 000000000000001e79ebaa9fa9c22738e0033e03bddd5881404b145f048289ef..00000000000000ff13274960e691c8b42bab3bb82898e3a009833f9e24530879
REORGANIZE: done
SetBestChain: new best=00000000000000ff13274960e691c8b42bab3bb82898e3a009833f9e24530879  height=1282360  trust=5784708432309399074228  blocktrust=60020672388688788  date=06/05/17 13:47:13

...[ removed 8 totally accepted blocks for forum brevity]...

SetBestChain: new best=bcd0091b27bc4dfb2e233595d13a48a4751c70a129bf9e8a892f8d99c9b49656  height=1282369  trust=5784767781275418791044  blocktrust=3435892635519  date=06/05/17 13:53:36
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
REORGANIZE
REORGANIZE: Disconnect 1 blocks; b9956ddcc1ebc0d54d019175ab2e8b6d1a7cdb5d8a015548d20f01a30dfb5b2c..bcd0091b27bc4dfb2e233595d13a48a4751c70a129bf9e8a892f8d99c9b49656
REORGANIZE: Connect 1 blocks; b9956ddcc1ebc0d54d019175ab2e8b6d1a7cdb5d8a015548d20f01a30dfb5b2c..00000000000001076e5f678424135086dc239efb03f8cdac12173d40ed8d032d
REORGANIZE: done
SetBestChain: new best=00000000000001076e5f678424135086dc239efb03f8cdac12173d40ed8d032d  height=1282369  trust=5784826352006414469449  blocktrust=58574166888313924  date=06/05/17 13:53:24
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=9a6249096005bed750f5577fa0728ccf860f225eac48e7a31cc438187df0d166  height=1282370  trust=5784826355442307104968  blocktrust=3435892635519  date=06/05/17 13:58:08
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
REORGANIZE
REORGANIZE: Disconnect 1 blocks; 00000000000001076e5f678424135086dc239efb03f8cdac12173d40ed8d032d..9a6249096005bed750f5577fa0728ccf860f225eac48e7a31cc438187df0d166
REORGANIZE: Connect 1 blocks; 00000000000001076e5f678424135086dc239efb03f8cdac12173d40ed8d032d..000000000000005b94b1a3937e873820d8d8c8cc9d5275741dc26d6f553b1a10
REORGANIZE: done
SetBestChain: new best=000000000000005b94b1a3937e873820d8d8c8cc9d5275741dc26d6f553b1a10  height=1282370  trust=5784884575196270829428  blocktrust=58223189856359979  date=06/05/17 13:57:03
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=00000000000000a7ebcfaf26acfd342b44ae00065ee17966ac8b9cd4acf9de3a  height=1282371  trust=5784941982308789150931  blocktrust=57407112518321503  date=06/05/17 13:58:49
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED

...[ removed 3 totally accepted blocks for forum brevity]...

SetBestChain: new best=ce499e1452cd625add060bf3fb36f756bd565805f821cfd1df7e0c2c076f3a28  height=1282375  trust=5785057823103233531330  blocktrust=3266914548590  date=06/05/17 14:01:36
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=9772d768baed7a00ed5bc7a9eb9b146a1cbeb2c460920995fd8979941f8215bf  height=1282376  trust=5785057826396646876366  blocktrust=3293413345036  date=06/05/17 14:02:24
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
REORGANIZE
REORGANIZE: Disconnect 2 blocks; 11d8c7b6d7996d0954af0c75ac9e20fde03a8e4ed25d5c5099c9b01aceccb5a6..9772d768baed7a00ed5bc7a9eb9b146a1cbeb2c460920995fd8979941f8215bf
REORGANIZE: Connect 1 blocks; 11d8c7b6d7996d0954af0c75ac9e20fde03a8e4ed25d5c5099c9b01aceccb5a6..000000000000005aeb5842b37c193df1943a10232c44ba52cf57cceca3db30e8
REORGANIZE: done
SetBestChain: new best=000000000000005aeb5842b37c193df1943a10232c44ba52cf57cceca3db30e8  height=1282375  trust=5785116723510750755391  blocktrust=58903674431772651  date=06/05/17 14:01:33
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
REORGANIZE
REORGANIZE: Disconnect 1 blocks; 11d8c7b6d7996d0954af0c75ac9e20fde03a8e4ed25d5c5099c9b01aceccb5a6..000000000000005aeb5842b37c193df1943a10232c44ba52cf57cceca3db30e8
REORGANIZE: Connect 3 blocks; 11d8c7b6d7996d0954af0c75ac9e20fde03a8e4ed25d5c5099c9b01aceccb5a6..000000000000006921a51a8f41521abe1baafbdc0da5222bbaf3512009f91bf6
REORGANIZE: done
SetBestChain: new best=000000000000006921a51a8f41521abe1baafbdc0da5222bbaf3512009f91bf6  height=1282377  trust=5785116730071078649017  blocktrust=58903674431772651  date=06/05/17 14:02:28
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=c35878243a4227e7c51879e9684d61de759d0420b1b38c248bf805e6370dd55d  height=1282378  trust=5785116733398918257029  blocktrust=3327839608012  date=06/05/17 14:03:28

...[ removed 8 totally accepted blocks for forum brevity]...

SetBestChain: new best=000000000000010079bf62873adc7e6971dfe4b5f9ae7bfb501a25838bf2b0a2  height=1282386  trust=5785477325741908993438  blocktrust=61178474969162394  date=06/05/17 14:07:58
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=d12e1c7f02e1d020eaa9da4f936432c1a39f39e34933f397bdd1f263641d0bd6  height=1282387  trust=5785477329097279037611  blocktrust=3355370044173  date=06/05/17 14:09:52
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
REORGANIZE
REORGANIZE: Disconnect 1 blocks; 000000000000010079bf62873adc7e6971dfe4b5f9ae7bfb501a25838bf2b0a2..d12e1c7f02e1d020eaa9da4f936432c1a39f39e34933f397bdd1f263641d0bd6
REORGANIZE: Connect 1 blocks; 000000000000010079bf62873adc7e6971dfe4b5f9ae7bfb501a25838bf2b0a2..0000000000000096b2e4191b6a22ef385179fa65c0e2f88e37dcf6788de8005f
REORGANIZE: done
SetBestChain: new best=0000000000000096b2e4191b6a22ef385179fa65c0e2f88e37dcf6788de8005f  height=1282387  trust=5785539441710115105180  blocktrust=62115968206111742  date=06/05/17 14:09:04
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=c82a5deff3ffb52905628f46ae147533a62386a50d4ec40bb0ea4c085a5f0c9f  height=1282388  trust=5785539445065485149353  blocktrust=3355370044173  date=06/05/17 14:12:00
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=73f6068072d3e75ff8446ba455d8a77e0f1601fc443392d603003f133da306f6  height=1282389  trust=5785539448349143258555  blocktrust=3283658109202  date=06/05/17 14:12:32
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=0ce3541379ee10b3ca7dfc4d7e9f45709fbd868465284a427314c1654333ca81  height=1282390  trust=5785539451674850587149  blocktrust=3325707328594  date=06/05/17 14:13:04
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=707802584736798a5ed8b22df90cdc7682448e60867b42476d1e44de48a5e9b9  height=1282391  trust=5785539455043145643026  blocktrust=3368295055877  date=06/05/17 14:13:20
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
REORGANIZE
REORGANIZE: Disconnect 4 blocks; 0000000000000096b2e4191b6a22ef385179fa65c0e2f88e37dcf6788de8005f..707802584736798a5ed8b22df90cdc7682448e60867b42476d1e44de48a5e9b9
REORGANIZE: Connect 1 blocks; 0000000000000096b2e4191b6a22ef385179fa65c0e2f88e37dcf6788de8005f..0000000000000054cdd4115cd74b4acdfeaa185445dd7836da6c1d553833b3ec
REORGANIZE: done
SetBestChain: new best=0000000000000054cdd4115cd74b4acdfeaa185445dd7836da6c1d553833b3ec  height=1282388  trust=5785602043506136443354  blocktrust=62601796021338174  date=06/05/17 14:12:11

Any number of validated transactions could become invalidated and dumped back into the mempool (especially when 4 blocks get dumped for 1).

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Hope Germany will adopt DEM

instead of creating its own as countries begin to consider such move :

http://www.coindesk.com/bank-russia-time-develop-national-cryptocurrencies/

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..?

Can You Please post the entire Log (section) for that block ?

Chain still good and works as aspected

Edit : what and where you try to purchase ?

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At the rate that this coin routinely dumps multiple valid blocks, I can't see how it could ever be a viable currency.

Imagine trying to purchase something with eMark and you get told:

Quote

Your transaction has been validated...
Wait, your transaction is no longer validated...
Wait, your transaction has been validated (with 2 confirmations)...
Wait, your transaction is no longer validated...
Wait, your transaction has been validated (with 3 confirmations)...
Wait, your transaction is no longer validated...
Wait, your transaction has been validated (with 2 confirmations)...
Wait, your transaction is no longer validated...
Wait, your transaction has been validated (with 3 confirmations)...
Wait, your transaction is no longer validated...
Wait, your transaction has been validated (with 1 confirmation)...
Wait, your transaction is no longer validated...
Wait, your transaction has been validated (with 2 confirmations)...
Wait, your transaction is no longer validated...

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Quote from: Rumhocker on May 30, 2017, 05:30:16 PM

The most orphan Blocks come from POS. I have change in the last Hardfork the timedrift to 15 seconds to prevent a fork from the Blockchain. But many user did not synchronize their PC time. And then they mining many ophan blocks.

Important to be running NTP (Network Time Protocol)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Time_Protocol

for Windows: https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/sw/ntp.htm

for Linux: https://www.ntpsec.org (Eric S. Raymond's NTP Sec version)
and why this version: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/ntpsec-secure-hardened-ntp-implementation?page=0,0

of MacOS: https://superuser.com/questions/155785/mac-os-x-date-time-synchronization Some pointers to make sure your Mac is on-time.

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The most orphan Blocks come from POS. I have change in the last Hardfork the timedrift to 15 seconds to prevent a fork from the Blockchain. But many user did not synchronize their PC time. And then they mining many ophan blocks.

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Quote from: glen123 on May 29, 2017, 12:33:53 AM

...POS Blocks count for Orphans too...

Are you saying that PoS bocks are getting orphaned or producing the orphans? If it's the former, that seems like a fundamental flaw to me.

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Quote from: sonic90046 on May 29, 2017, 12:39:29 AM

...The orphan blocks is something I wasn't aware of ....Still doesn't make a 75% difference...

Sometimes, it really does:

Code:

SetBestChain: new best=a96139692c41dce57f9e03ff5b6c61d4f3bcf9623375d12fce00ac5f64d97f82  height=1272366  trust=5469998983904410204521  blocktrust=3522483824498  date=05/29/17 13:06:56
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=31ca0d42c400a08a716a1cce0313b0438a7de0c6699efd82ab1fc3ee6a7ca3bc  height=1272367  trust=5469998987472002102416  blocktrust=3567591897895  date=05/29/17 13:09:52
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=c7e711ecbfd2542699e4a2304cbf2d4bb8619389b1e737a3a89faa8790e6dbca  height=1272368  trust=5469998991011118946253  blocktrust=3539116843837  date=05/29/17 13:10:40
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
SetBestChain: new best=86d5a3b2e27a9f1b3c548bcb381776deb794b5c2739e2a796461cbf9c85af983  height=1272369  trust=5469998994587230198201  blocktrust=3576111251948  date=05/29/17 13:11:44
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
REORGANIZE
REORGANIZE: Disconnect 3 blocks; a96139692c41dce57f9e03ff5b6c61d4f3bcf9623375d12fce00ac5f64d97f82..86d5a3b2e27a9f1b3c548bcb381776deb794b5c2739e2a796461cbf9c85af983
REORGANIZE: Connect 1 blocks; a96139692c41dce57f9e03ff5b6c61d4f3bcf9623375d12fce00ac5f64d97f82..000000000000007e1458e0ec8fa65a281b6b935c395e0a1902ea90b813abc1bf
REORGANIZE: done
SetBestChain: new best=000000000000007e1458e0ec8fa65a281b6b935c395e0a1902ea90b813abc1bf  height=1272367  trust=5470083149557844111365  blocktrust=84165653433906844  date=05/29/17 13:10:04

I think you might see how that could be the issue you're experiencing.

Edited for example from today.

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Quote from: glen123 on May 29, 2017, 12:33:53 AM

Good Morning ,

yes its true , there is an very high Orphan Rate right now .
I checked everyting twice an there is only one Solution .

I noticed that Suprnova got high Orphans if Pool was low on Hashrate opposite NetHash. Now Suprnova Pool has lots of more Hashrate and Orphans gone .

Thats the Same here now on my Pool , low Pool Hash opposite high Nethash = Orphans .
Keep in Mind that eMark is an POW/POS Coin. POS Blocks count for Orphans too.

Solution : More Hash Power is needed to equal Pools

Regards Glen

Yed. PoS/PoW. I forgot this about DEM. Thank you. That makes a bit more sense and orphan blocks are labeled as such even though they are PoS.

I'd add more s9's to the pool, but it might make more sense to solo mine if I do this.

Thank you Glen and ComputerGenie.

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[/quote]

The calculator:

http://whattomine.com/asic
or
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency
...
[/quote]OK what you have to keep in mid is that those calculators do not take certain things into account, most specifically diff increase (i.e., 13M going up to 18M) and increases in the network hashrate. They are just designed to give you a ballpark. When you combine that with the insane orphan rate, lately, you get the "loss" you're seeing.
[/quote]

The difficulty is very similar (dynamic but within a 7%+/-) on both the calculators (13.2 mil on whattomine and 13.5 mil on coinwarz) and the pools figure (13.5 mil) on Network difficulty. My experience with these calculators over the past 8 months has proven these tools are rather reliable. There's too great a variance at 75%.

The orphan blocks is something I wasn't aware of but in doing more research on it, it appears that eMark experience 22-35% orphaned blocks. That's an opportunity loss on 22-35% of blocks. Still doesn't make a 75% difference. But pool efficiency is one question that I was posing as that is a mitigating factor as well.

I'm sure this sounds argumentative and it's not intended to be. Trying to understand the variance.

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Good Morning ,

yes its true , there is an very high Orphan Rate right now .
I checked everyting twice an there is only one Solution .

I noticed that Suprnova got high Orphans if Pool was low on Hashrate opposite NetHash. Now Suprnova Pool has lots of more Hashrate and Orphans gone .

Thats the Same here now on my Pool , low Pool Hash opposite high Nethash = Orphans .
Keep in Mind that eMark is an POW/POS Coin. POS Blocks count for Orphans too.

Solution : More Hash Power is needed to equal Pools

Regards Glen

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Quote from: sonic90046 on May 28, 2017, 10:35:10 PM

Quote from: ComputerGenie on May 28, 2017, 10:21:41 PM

What's the link to the one you're talking about?

The calculator:

http://whattomine.com/asic
or
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency
...

OK what you have to keep in mid is that those calculators do not take certain things into account, most specifically diff increase (i.e., 13M going up to 18M) and increases in the network hashrate. They are just designed to give you a ballpark. When you combine that with the insane orphan rate, lately, you get the "loss" you're seeing.

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Quote from: ComputerGenie on May 28, 2017, 10:21:41 PM

What's the link to the one you're talking about?

The calculator:

http://whattomine.com/asic
or
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency

The Pool is:

http://gcpool.eu

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What's the link to the one you're talking about?

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Most of those calcs don't account for the abnormally high orphan rate of eMark.
[/quote]

Understood. Thanks for the info. That alone isn't the cause for a 75% realization from calculator v actual though...

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Quote from: sonic90046 on May 28, 2017, 07:43:07 PM

Been mining 1 s9 on your pool at gcpool.eu - we are averaging significantly lower returns than online calculators are predicting. Is this just due to low pool h/r? Up for 30 hours now and have about 300 coins thus far...

Most of those calcs don't account for the abnormally high orphan rate of eMark.

sonic90046

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Hey Glen

Been mining 1 s9 on your pool at gcpool.eu - we are averaging significantly lower returns than online calculators are predicting. Is this just due to low pool h/r? Up for 30 hours now and have about 300 coins thus far.

Thanks.

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