What do you thing?
Democracy? No thanks. I don't want to decide for others nor others for me.
Topic: Democracy 2.0 (Beta) (Read 1823 times)
Democracy? No thanks. I don't want to decide for others nor others for me.
Thee "receipt" might actually contribute in developing countries to voter pressure. Imagine a wife in Pakistan voting for a party which her husband does not approve off, and then the husband tells his wife to check with the receipt for whom she has voted. Family-based voting might become a lot more prevalent.
Or she can destroy it, and tell her husband no, fuck off.
While this sounds simple. What do you think would the abusive husband do?
This is a common issue in the developing world. Just destroying the paper is not a solution as the husband will want to know for whom she voted.
Here's a good discussion http://www.ted.com/talks/david_bismark_e_voting_without_fraud
Thee "receipt" might actually contribute in developing countries to voter pressure. Imagine a wife in Pakistan voting for a party which her husband does not approve off, and then the husband tells his wife to check with the receipt for whom she has voted. Family-based voting might become a lot more prevalent.
Or she can destroy it, and tell her husband no, fuck off.
Anonymous and verifiable voting systems
A little bit of a contradiction here. How would you know what one identity, one person is, without an authority like a registration office?
or better put, how would you prevent a person from voting twice or multiple times? (let's call this the double-voting problem)
though it indeed is an interesting philosophical question what an identity is. if i'm a programmer at day and a rockstar at night, do i have two identities?
You are one identity with two hobbies.
Here's a good discussion http://www.ted.com/talks/david_bismark_e_voting_without_fraud
Thee "receipt" might actually contribute in developing countries to voter pressure. Imagine a wife in Pakistan voting for a party which her husband does not approve off, and then the husband tells his wife to check with the receipt for whom she has voted. Family-based voting might become a lot more prevalent.
I think there are some ways to make the decentralized voting system perfect, no double voting, reliable system etc.
How does such a system stop the governments/organisations/wealthy (i.e. those who control the media) from influencing the masses, in-order to influence votes?
I suppose this wouldn't solve the problem of money being used to influence voters, but the people would still have to opportunity to inform themselves of the issues at least.
The only true democracy is if the majority of media is decentralized and controlled by no one. When such media exists, then a decentralized voting system would make sense. But as long as the media is controlled by powerful organisations to advertise what they want people to think, all this is a waste of time IMO.
Modern day rulers are the people who control the media to influence the views of the masses. Modern day slaves are the people who watch the media and are influenced by the media.
How does such a system stop the governments/organisations/wealthy (i.e. those who control the media) from influencing the masses, in-order to influence votes?
I suppose this wouldn't solve the problem of money being used to influence voters, but the people would still have to opportunity to inform themselves of the issues at least.
The point is that, people believe what they see on TV. TV influences what people think and feel. So if the people who control TV want votes to go in a certain direction, voting systems, even decentralized voting systems are useless, as the result will still go in the direction the government wants, which it can easily achieve via the media, i.e. influence people via the media, then those people will vote how the government wants them to vote.
Anonymous and verifiable voting systems
A little bit of a contradiction here. How would you know what one identity, one person is, without an authority like a registration office?
or better put, how would you prevent a person from voting twice or multiple times? (let's call this the double-voting problem)
though it indeed is an interesting philosophical question what an identity is. if I'm a programmer at day and a rockstar at night, do i have two identities?
I think that if you could vote anonymously and online, being able to verify and audit the votes, it would be quite perfect even if you still had to use a central authority for registration.
Decentralized identity and reputation systems are quite difficult to achieve but people are working hard on that, for sure.
Still I think we overestimate the importance of secrecy in voting. And we should be preparing good platforms for when the time comes that we have the perfect voting systems.
Anonymous and verifiable voting systems
A little bit of a contradiction here. How would you know what one identity, one person is, without an authority like a registration office?
or better put, how would you prevent a person from voting twice or multiple times? (let's call this the double-voting problem)
though it indeed is an interesting philosophical question what an identity is. if i'm a programmer at day and a rockstar at night, do i have two identities?
Here's a good discussion http://www.ted.com/talks/david_bismark_e_voting_without_fraud
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
How does such a system stop the governments/organisations/wealthy (i.e. those who control the media) from influencing the masses, in-order to influence votes?
I suppose this wouldn't solve the problem of money being used to influence voters, but the people would still have to opportunity to inform themselves of the issues at least.
How does such a system stop the governments/organisations/wealthy (i.e. those who control the media) from influencing the masses, in-order to influence votes?
I would prefer a system that has people vote solely on the issues as opposed to elected officials. That way the government's job would be to carry out the people's wishes, as opposed to relying on a candidate that could be bribed, or change his/her mind without consulting the voters.
Here's a good discussion http://www.ted.com/talks/david_bismark_e_voting_without_fraud
How does such a system stop the governments/organisations/wealthy (i.e. those who control the media) from influencing the masses, in-order to influence votes?
How could this be possible? Wouldn't the bitcoin debs have to develop contracts like the etherize project? I don't get how today we can combine votes using bitcoin... Please explain more
Promojo: search for voting systems based on bitcoin. Not necessaily with Ethereum.
I think we should start with something humble and far from perfect.
Two factor aurhentication with mobile number could help a bit with single vote, I think.
Also, I keep thinking we should use facebook. Like it or not, it is the best Id/Login system for this purpose. Till we have sonething better with the help of Govs we should definitely use Facebook for this project, I think.
I also accept the idea of using facebook since its a more widely accepted platform with a more secured identification system.
Maybe this will eventually solve our problem:
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/futuristic-bracelet-uses-heartbeats-as-a-password-but-is-it-secure/
http://www.getnymi.com/
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/futuristic-bracelet-uses-heartbeats-as-a-password-but-is-it-secure/
http://www.getnymi.com/
How could this be possible? Wouldn't the bitcoin debs have to develop contracts like the etherize project? I don't get how today we can combine votes using bitcoin... Please explain more
Promojo: search for voting systems based on bitcoin. Not necessaily with Ethereum.
I think we should start with something humble and far from perfect.
Two factor aurhentication with mobile number could help a bit with single vote, I think.
Also, I keep thinking we should use facebook. Like it or not, it is the best Id/Login system for this purpose. Till we have sonething better with the help of Govs we should definitely use Facebook for this project, I think.
Anonymous and verifiable voting systems based on bitcoin will soon be a reality, certainly.
Still that will not bring about Democracy 2.0, straight a way.
My challenge is simple, why not start with a Beta version of it where all votes are public and identified?
Having a plataform where people can discuss and vote all sorts of matters in a liquid democracy fashion, making the results widely known to everyone seems to me actually particularly vital for bringing about a democracy whereby citizens decide or delegate decisions directly.
In a time where more than ever a few oligarchs control the destinies of everyone it seems utterly important that we are able to give back voice and power to the people.
Maybe we could start with a website that uses facebook as login to identify the individuals and later move on to more anonymous systems with voting based on blockchain technology.
What do you thing?
This could become as huge as wikipedia and eventually show them why they should accept bitcoins...
Still that will not bring about Democracy 2.0, straight a way.
My challenge is simple, why not start with a Beta version of it where all votes are public and identified?
Having a plataform where people can discuss and vote all sorts of matters in a liquid democracy fashion, making the results widely known to everyone seems to me actually particularly vital for bringing about a democracy whereby citizens decide or delegate decisions directly.
In a time where more than ever a few oligarchs control the destinies of everyone it seems utterly important that we are able to give back voice and power to the people.
Maybe we could start with a website that uses facebook as login to identify the individuals and later move on to more anonymous systems with voting based on blockchain technology.
What do you thing?
This could become as huge as wikipedia and eventually show them why they should accept bitcoins...
How could this be possible? Wouldn't the bitcoin debs have to develop contracts like the etherize project? I don't get how today we can combine votes using bitcoin... Please explain more
How can we make sure its one vote for one person ? Linking a SSN to a private key would work for voting in an actual gov run poll but on a website like reddit I'm not sure how we can stop double-voting. IP is not a good idea either (Nat)
Yes, this is the key question. I'm assuming it can be turned off or on if the creator of the poll wants that but still needs to have to have a 1 vote for 1 vote system. SSN to a private key might work yes.
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