Topic: Demoted from Jr. Member to Newbie? Read here first. (Read 1297 times)

This is primarily a forum for discussion on bitcoin. Its a big problem if Newbies are not actively engaging with the bitcoin ecosystem but simply getting swayed by the glittery promises of ICOs, a lot of which are turning out to be scams. What is wrong if Theymos wants to take steps to avoid this slide as the forum admin?


Jr. Members who have been demoted but have reasonable quality posts will be back up in no time. Additional merit sources are working actively so these people can come back up. If it drives those people away who are here only for alts and have no stake or interest in bitcoin itself, well then, to each his own. Honestly though, nobody wants to be away from bitcoin too long. Which brings me to ask your opinion about bitcoin and bitcoin's goals. You are at Sl. 17 in the list at the link i shared in this post.
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First I'd like to thank whoever gave me 1 merit I really appreciate it. 

As to my opinion on Bitcoin and it's goals,  I like almost everyone on these forums believe in Bitcoin long term.  I am thinking its going to be more of a store of value like gold instead of a fluid currency.  It seems to me using bitcoin for micro transactions will just be to expensive to make it worthwhile. I think the problem I have with how the merit system is working partly has to do with talking about Bitcoin.  Many of the longer standing members here obviously know a significant amount more about bitcoin so it's very rare that a newer person would have anything of value to add to a conversation about bitcoin.  Now if we are talking about alt coins it becomes a more even playing field.  It seems far more reasonable to me that a newbie comes here reads a bunch of stuff learns things, sees another project they research and learn about and then they are able to say something of value to a SR or Legendary member.  Personally I'll read threads about bitcoin and I simply won't have anything to add that isn't already stated.  I have to assume this happens to a fair number of newer members.

I think he only do his job as a great administrator. Because for me that's the best thing to do to reduce spammers and he only make the newbies and the merit seekers to work hard more. For the goodness sake of the forum, he did great.

As a newbie again i think no need to complain, just take this as a challenge. We need to level up ourselves and do great post to earn merit and that's what a good person should do. Don't let the problem stay's in you, must look for the solution. We just have to get started and step up ourselves and do our best to get what we want.

What if they don't have local board? Not every language have accepted to have local board here. English is't that important with some people but it's a big problem with many people out there because they don't even understand an English word, they have to use google translate to understand and just can guess a little of meaning, so how to write an answer?

Having local board is a benefit that not every member here have.

Stay where your posts are acceptable. In your Local board. There are Merit sources in Local boards too, who can Merit the posts that are worth it. Don't post outside it unnecessarily if you know you are not good at it. Do it only when you learn to write English in a proper way, or to at least in a decent manner which a person should understand by reading.

I see quite a few demoted newbies commenting here with 0 merits. I went through the post histories of few of you earlier to see if i can find a merit-worthy post and have created a new topic about it in the beginner's section here: Checking Demoted members to give Merit: Feedback and Helpful Links.

I would also recommend that you all make a habit of checking the "Show new replies to your posts" link that appears alongside your avatar at the top-left. Whenever you login, first check the pages you have posted in earlier. Watch the discussion and add something useful or even your own perspective. Engaging with people is the best way to be on this forum as well as earn merit.

I am saying this because I have notices many newbies who write on these pages and never show up again to continue the discussion.

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Nobody needs you to pass an English proficiency test here. Your English also seems fine. You are able to navigate this space and learn about bounties, translations etc. means you can learn more and help those below you to gain and understanding too.
For that, first you have to show an intent of actually being here to join the bitcoin ecosystem and not make it just another way to earn some tokens which may or may not be worthless. The user LeavingEden seems to have some English issues too but he is engaging in the discussions. I saw it worth my time to merit one of his posts.

If users like you refrain from these report posts and you actually engage in discussion for next 2 activity periods, i.e. 28 days, I or any of the other sources will be glad to give you some merit. Check the link I have given above to look for resources that can help you be better.

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This is primarily a forum for discussion on bitcoin. Its a big problem if Newbies are not actively engaging with the bitcoin ecosystem but simply getting swayed by the glittery promises of ICOs, a lot of which are turning out to be scams. What is wrong if Theymos wants to take steps to avoid this slide as the forum admin?


Jr. Members who have been demoted but have reasonable quality posts will be back up in no time. Additional merit sources are working actively so these people can come back up. If it drives those people away who are here only for alts and have no stake or interest in bitcoin itself, well then, to each his own. Honestly though, nobody wants to be away from bitcoin too long. Which brings me to ask your opinion about bitcoin and bitcoin's goals. You are at Sl. 17 in the list at the link i shared in this post.

English is also my problem. So it's hard to those people like me to get merit.


That person is very lucky. Easy merits for him. Extreme luck and knowledge are all i needed now as a beginner to get some merits.

I totally agree with these. To be honest I was a bit frustrated at first when I learn the new rules regarding Jr. Member accounts because I was affected by those mass demotion. I'm a bit disappointed because I believe that its unfair for us whose making good posts and contribution in this forum.

But then I realized that its actually a good thing because it will minimize the amount of garbage posts here in this forum. Also, I noticed that previously, in signature campaigns, most of the posts made by some participants are actually don't have any substance on it. Its like they are only posting it for the sake of stakes.

I just hope more members of this forum will understand the rationale behind this changes. Besides sacrifice is essential in able to be successful.

Never give up. This guy got 2 already and i have checked his post history. boy oh boy

Great idea, great way to improve forum quality.
I agree, it isnt hard to be helpful to others which equals to earning some merits.
People just want merits for nothing, begging etc. its worst way to get merit actually. You wouldn't want this. Be helpful, dont spam = you earn merits.

Or it will stifle the growth of this forum and turn many people away who could have contributed positively to the growth of crypto in general.  Merit is finite, the time people have is finite, so that doubles up to a lot of people not advancing in rank that likely earned it.  I don't have an answer for spam I simply ignore it.  You already had it gated at Jr Member which just had a minimum post amount along with an amount of time needed on the forums I believe. 

Really this only matters because you have removed our ability to set signatures or personal texts which is a dick move in my opinion.  Who exactly are you protecting with this move?  You say people are getting scammed right?  Who the hell is looking at a spam post looking at their signature and going that guy spamming LEET CRYPTO BLOCKCHAIN MOON MONEY MOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He looks like the guy I want to take advice from.  Realistically it allows people to look at what that poster is advertising and maybe avoid it because of that.

What it does take away is people who would have been Jr. Member making reasonable to quality posts (but not exceptional enough to get merit or simply was never seen) from advertising whatever project they have found.  Giving them less reason to even use this forum.  Overall this change is just going to drive people away from this forum imo. 

You can buy a copper or wait for someone like me to read your posts
maybe you were not all bounty or bounty with very little content

One may ask whether the level obtained can not be treated as acquired right?

The  European Court of Human Rigths proved in its decisions, that acquired rights are property, and therefore are protected under First Protocol for European Convention of  Human Rights.

That's obvious Do you see any solutions?

There are a lot of people praising the Merit system to get Merit, but I think differently.

Of course it is true that Merit has many advantages.
However, there are many drawbacks.
Merit Abuse, Merit black market, overly concentrated authority on High ranker. useless arguments consumed by the Merit dispute, etc.

This merit system is the best way to avoid spamming of post.It will definitely clean the forum and put in your mind that this is just for the sake of the forum. To be honest even i cried in the new update but instead of making a rant. I will just do my best to receive a merit. Not because you've been demoted you will demotivated. Just stay positive and dont make this rule block your dreams.

Me demoted too

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ndok88-1906656

How should we do to get merit if people wont to give it?
Pay member?🤔

Good day everyone, I've been here since 2017, and working for bounty every day.
The Merit system was a good way to reduce the spammers. The new rules are necessary, but im not spammers, scamer.
What  can i do?

Should I go to the moon to get merit ?? whatever the cause and effect, don't be sad, think positive, keep trying, for me this is a forum to give and receive knowledge, so just enjoy ..

I agree with you. I often read these posts where you write, that people will not give merit to those who have a lot of bounty report in the message history. That's not quite right. If a beginner writes a good post that will be useful, why not reward him for it? And it doesn't matter that he has a lot of bounty reports in history. Each earns as he can.

I think that this is a good start to systematization of the forum in an even better way. And i want to add a few important thoughts.

To write something really decent, without getting lost in a bunch of other posts, and to avoid repeating other people's thoughts, you need to spend a lot of time studying all the topics and messages in them. I don't know, maybe most people have that time, but I'm not sure. It's great that there are moderators, without them it would be very sad, but it seems to me that we need a bot that will help to control messages, user actions and other activities. And also it would be interesting to make a topic summary and pin few main good users thoughts to help new users understand the line of thought.

In addition, the introduction of subcategories within the forums is also necessary for companies, and in the future it would be possible to enter a rating of trust of users of a company depending on their behavior on the forum and the response they receive from users (like users trust).

The forum needs a systematization. Because to some extent, it has ceased to be just a forum very long time ago. And what is extremely important, this is one of the few sites that brings real benefit to the crypto community, allowing you to see the "true" value of some projects.