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Topic: Denuvo Anti-Tamper DRM (Read 2872 times)

legendary
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November 26, 2014, 03:48:15 PM
#22
Improve their games? If you mean by adding on new graphics sure lol but they don't do much else and all Advanced Warfare was, was a reskin with some slightly new physics mechanics ( The jump pack exosuits) and some particle effects, yes, some new weapons here and there but the gameplay hadn't really changed all that much and that's what it's like with all the publishers so they aren't protecting much of an investment lets be honest.
Exactly. Money is being wasted to fight piracy and such. It doesn't work. The antivirus comparison is invalid here. Malware does damage. Even when a new one gets past the AV, it gets updated eventually.
Once a game gets cracked, there is no saving it.
Just look at what Ubisoft did with AC, so much improvement on the game itself.  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000
November 26, 2014, 03:38:33 PM
#21
Improve their games? If you mean by adding on new graphics sure lol but they don't do much else and all Advanced Warfare was, was a reskin with some slightly new physics mechanics ( The jump pack exosuits) and some particle effects, yes, some new weapons here and there but the gameplay hadn't really changed all that much and that's what it's like with all the publishers so they aren't protecting much of an investment lets be honest.
b!z
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1010
November 26, 2014, 02:54:26 PM
#20
Seems like a promising technology. Nice to see that they've figured out a possible solution to piracy when so many others have failed.
Solution? There is no solution. Piracy isn't bad. Denuvo actually is. Also, yes it does hurt performance try it out yourself.

Investing so much into DRM is a bad move. Someone out there will crack it. It's the whole company vs a few smaller groups, yet Denuvo will lose at the end..

You can't blame them for trying though.

Kinda like saying investing into antivirus is a bad move because someone out there is going to make malware that gets past it.

It seems to me like it would be better to spend the money to actually improve the game than try to stop people playing the game without paying. xD
The game would be better, more people would talk about it, and more would buy it.

Implying publishers don't already spend money to improve their games. They need to be able to protect their investments, even if it only works half the time.

People complain about games like the new CoD (I do too) but it still sells very well and remains popular with a lot of people.
legendary
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November 26, 2014, 02:47:56 PM
#19
Seems like a promising technology. Nice to see that they've figured out a possible solution to piracy when so many others have failed.
Solution? There is no solution. Piracy isn't bad. Denuvo actually is. Also, yes it does hurt performance try it out yourself.

Investing so much into DRM is a bad move. Someone out there will crack it. It's the whole company vs a few smaller groups, yet Denuvo will lose at the end..

You can't blame them for trying though.

Kinda like saying investing into antivirus is a bad move because someone out there is going to make malware that gets past it.

It seems to me like it would be better to spend the money to actually improve the game than try to stop people playing the game without paying. xD
The game would be better, more people would talk about it, and more would buy it.
b!z
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1010
November 26, 2014, 01:55:36 PM
#18
Seems like a promising technology. Nice to see that they've figured out a possible solution to piracy when so many others have failed.
Solution? There is no solution. Piracy isn't bad. Denuvo actually is. Also, yes it does hurt performance try it out yourself.

Investing so much into DRM is a bad move. Someone out there will crack it. It's the whole company vs a few smaller groups, yet Denuvo will lose at the end..

You can't blame them for trying though.

Kinda like saying investing into antivirus is a bad move because someone out there is going to make malware that gets past it.
legendary
Activity: 2674
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November 26, 2014, 01:45:31 PM
#17
Look, piracy *is* bad, but unfortunately it is inevitable. Not everybody can pay, even less people can afford to spend money, that they earned with difficulty and with delays.
Actually piracy increases sales very often. Let's say that there is no FC4 (example) torrent. I wouldn't be able to play the game. I still wouldn't buy it. How would the company lose a sale here that wasn't going to happen either way?
If I like(d) the game I'd buy it obviously.
legendary
Activity: 1862
Merit: 1011
Reverse engineer from time to time
November 26, 2014, 01:36:30 PM
#16
Seems like a promising technology. Nice to see that they've figured out a possible solution to piracy when so many others have failed.
Solution? There is no solution. Piracy isn't bad. Denuvo actually is. Also, yes it does hurt performance try it out yourself.

Investing so much into DRM is a bad move. Someone out there will crack it. It's the whole company vs a few smaller groups, yet Denuvo will lose at the end..
Look, piracy *is* bad, but unfortunately it is inevitable. Not everybody can pay, even less people can afford to spend money, that they earned with difficulty and with delays.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2970
Terminated.
November 26, 2014, 01:27:47 PM
#15
Seems like a promising technology. Nice to see that they've figured out a possible solution to piracy when so many others have failed.
Solution? There is no solution. Piracy isn't bad. Denuvo actually is. Also, yes it does hurt performance try it out yourself.

Investing so much into DRM is a bad move. Someone out there will crack it. It's the whole company vs a few smaller groups, yet Denuvo will lose at the end..
legendary
Activity: 1862
Merit: 1011
Reverse engineer from time to time
November 26, 2014, 01:26:18 PM
#14
To a point, piracy helps players demo test a game, prior to purchase. For instance, just recently I downloaded The Witcher, but I didn't like the combat system, so I deleted the game. I don't believe I hurt them with that action.

I can go on all day about what the mind of a pirate is, 90% of the time it isn't about demo trying a game, it's about hassle,money and time, pretty much.
legendary
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November 26, 2014, 12:46:56 PM
#13
Yes, supposedly, but DRM is infamous for causing problems on PCs, just because of the fact that there's a process constantly running in the background of course it's going to cause problems when running the game.
It doesn't run in the background, although I have no idea how Denuvo works, SecuROM is basically a wrapper, it is embedded in the exe, it runs with the game, not in a separate process.

That's exactly what most forms of DRM do though, they do run constantly in the background, hell, I actually came across a problem with Battlefields anti-cheat punkbuster, because one particular file wasn't running in the background that caused the game to constantly kick me off the servers I joined then mysteriously they of course stealth patched it and I never had a problem with it since. They put all kinds of shit on PC games now and it's because they hate the fact that we can tamper with it so easily lol Tongue pretty soon we're going to be back in the era of being able to run cracked games better than 'legitimate' copies.

So if I'm not even a programmer and I'm finding all this shit on my PC imagine what programmers and the crack teams are finding in the background and yeah, Dragon Age is apparently one of the games that has had this copyright protection put on it so it could end up being cracked fairly early. Of course, we're never going to get a straight answer out of companies like Denuvo or the games publishers because then they'd be forced to remove it just like last time.

i think soon there going to have to do free to play games and just charge for content it is the only way to stop piracy. if i developed a game id release it for free and let people hack the hell out of it, imagine a big game and some of the mods that would come out like teamfortress it would be amazing. and then simply add the mods to the game as people like them. games would become truly epic and you would have massive massive fan bases and more people buying content.

There are games companies that do just fine without having a shit ton of DRM on their, the makers of the witcher being the first example that springs to mind, as far as I'm concerned internet 'piracy' is nothing more than an invention of the copyright industry to extract more money out of people without them having to make anything.
b!z
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1010
November 26, 2014, 12:36:02 PM
#12
Seems like a promising technology. Nice to see that they've figured out a possible solution to piracy when so many others have failed.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1002
November 26, 2014, 10:25:19 AM
#11
Yes, supposedly, but DRM is infamous for causing problems on PCs, just because of the fact that there's a process constantly running in the background of course it's going to cause problems when running the game.
It doesn't run in the background, although I have no idea how Denuvo works, SecuROM is basically a wrapper, it is embedded in the exe, it runs with the game, not in a separate process.

That's exactly what most forms of DRM do though, they do run constantly in the background, hell, I actually came across a problem with Battlefields anti-cheat punkbuster, because one particular file wasn't running in the background that caused the game to constantly kick me off the servers I joined then mysteriously they of course stealth patched it and I never had a problem with it since. They put all kinds of shit on PC games now and it's because they hate the fact that we can tamper with it so easily lol Tongue pretty soon we're going to be back in the era of being able to run cracked games better than 'legitimate' copies.

So if I'm not even a programmer and I'm finding all this shit on my PC imagine what programmers and the crack teams are finding in the background and yeah, Dragon Age is apparently one of the games that has had this copyright protection put on it so it could end up being cracked fairly early. Of course, we're never going to get a straight answer out of companies like Denuvo or the games publishers because then they'd be forced to remove it just like last time.

i think soon there going to have to do free to play games and just charge for content it is the only way to stop piracy. if i developed a game id release it for free and let people hack the hell out of it, imagine a big game and some of the mods that would come out like teamfortress it would be amazing. and then simply add the mods to the game as people like them. games would become truly epic and you would have massive massive fan bases and more people buying content.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000
November 26, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
#10
Yes, supposedly, but DRM is infamous for causing problems on PCs, just because of the fact that there's a process constantly running in the background of course it's going to cause problems when running the game.
It doesn't run in the background, although I have no idea how Denuvo works, SecuROM is basically a wrapper, it is embedded in the exe, it runs with the game, not in a separate process.

That's exactly what most forms of DRM do though, they do run constantly in the background, hell, I actually came across a problem with Battlefields anti-cheat punkbuster, because one particular file wasn't running in the background that caused the game to constantly kick me off the servers I joined then mysteriously they of course stealth patched it and I never had a problem with it since. They put all kinds of shit on PC games now and it's because they hate the fact that we can tamper with it so easily lol Tongue pretty soon we're going to be back in the era of being able to run cracked games better than 'legitimate' copies.

So if I'm not even a programmer and I'm finding all this shit on my PC imagine what programmers and the crack teams are finding in the background and yeah, Dragon Age is apparently one of the games that has had this copyright protection put on it so it could end up being cracked fairly early. Of course, we're never going to get a straight answer out of companies like Denuvo or the games publishers because then they'd be forced to remove it just like last time.
legendary
Activity: 1862
Merit: 1011
Reverse engineer from time to time
November 26, 2014, 09:38:52 AM
#9
Yes, supposedly, but DRM is infamous for causing problems on PCs, just because of the fact that there's a process constantly running in the background of course it's going to cause problems when running the game.
It doesn't run in the background, although I have no idea how Denuvo works, SecuROM is basically a wrapper, it is embedded in the exe, it runs with the game, not in a separate process.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000
November 26, 2014, 09:35:54 AM
#8
Yes, supposedly, but DRM is infamous for causing problems on PCs, just because of the fact that there's a process constantly running in the background of course it's going to cause problems when running the game.
legendary
Activity: 1862
Merit: 1011
Reverse engineer from time to time
November 26, 2014, 09:35:02 AM
#7
Btw, the claim that it destroys SSDs has been debunked.

But whether it causes performance issues is a different story. Usually these guys work with developers's game's source code and place their protection callbacks somewhere inside. So each time the game executes some game code it will inevitably reach Denuvo code.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1002
November 26, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
#6
they took there time cracking open the PS3 im sure if someone out there can secure it then someone else can break it. i think before new year depending on how much attention gets put towards it
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000
November 26, 2014, 09:28:48 AM
#5
It will get cracked, eventually, the question is just how long.
legendary
Activity: 1862
Merit: 1011
Reverse engineer from time to time
November 26, 2014, 09:23:55 AM
#4
Haha.

Well, SecuROM is now officially dead, they abandoned Sony's Digital Rights department to form Denuvo, so we will not be seeing it anymore. But as a personal project I have planned to crack it all by myself, even though it has already been defeated many years ago.
But Denuvo, well think about it this way, if several highly sophisticated and experienced groups of crackers have not beaten it yet, it is quite challenging.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000
November 26, 2014, 08:57:23 AM
#3
Tell them I said they're a bunch of evil fuckers Tongue
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