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Topic: Derivatives like futures will be great for bitcoin, before they destroy it - page 3. (Read 1091 times)

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Where has trading derivatives of securities that hold no intrinsic value caused problems before? Just take a look back at the synthetic CDOs that allowed billions of dollars to be invested in mortgage securities that contained nowhere near that value in assets.

That's a misunderstanding of what futures and options are compared to CDOs. Futures and options are deliverable, that is you can hold them until they expire and then take delivery of whatever the contract is for. Or if you hold a short position then you can settle it by delivering whatever the contract is for. So they do indeed have intrinsic value.
CDOs are just a means of selling debt in packages, there is no comparison at all.


You missed the word “synthetic”, which completely changes what you are talking about. Synthetic CDOs are a derivative of CDOs. There is nothing wrong with CDOs and they themselves did not cause the economy to collapse... its the derivatives of them that did this. Futures and options both allow vastly more money to be invested in something than the intrinsic value of the underlying asset. This is a quality of synthetic CDOs too, and it will allow people to throw irresponsible amounts of money into extremely volatile assets backed by bitcoin, which is really dangerous.
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Where has trading derivatives of securities that hold no intrinsic value caused problems before? Just take a look back at the synthetic CDOs that allowed billions of dollars to be invested in mortgage securities that contained nowhere near that value in assets.

That's a misunderstanding of what futures and options are compared to CDOs. Futures and options are deliverable, that is you can hold them until they expire and then take delivery of whatever the contract is for. Or if you hold a short position then you can settle it by delivering whatever the contract is for. So they do indeed have intrinsic value.
CDOs are just a means of selling debt in packages, there is no comparison at all.
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first of all Bitcoin will never can be used as a currency,
at best it will only be an online payment,
it can not be used as a currency because it does not have a physical form.
we ever heard about 'casascius' as its physical form,but it's far from enough to replace the Fiat itself.
in brief 'casascius' can not be used as a payment in real life and because of that Bitcoin will never can be.

and about Derivatives or futures or something else,
it's all about our own view.
some of them think the other way and some people think another,everybody have their own perspective.
it's a gamble in my opinion,but Bitcoin need it.
for Bitcoin everything is a double edge sword because it has an advantage but at the same time it has disadvantage.
we need to get out from the safe zone,
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Bitcoin has a few major problems that prevent it from being usable as a currency. The largest is its volatility. Futures can help vendors deal with this by locking in prices. This would allow bitcoin to move from it's measly little market cap in the tens or hundreds of billions, up to the trillions, where it needs to be as a currency. It can also help stabilize the volatility. Without something like futures, it is highly unlikely that bitcoin will survive (currently it is definitely in bubble territory, being overinflated based on hype rather than intrinsic value).

All that being said, derivatives will be the downfall of bitcoin as well. It's only a matter of time before people start trading bitcoin options in addition to futures. Where has trading derivatives of securities that hold no intrinsic value caused problems before? Just take a look back at the synthetic CDOs that allowed billions of dollars to be invested in mortgage securities that contained nowhere near that value in assets. Banks have done this before and crashed the entire economy. Bitcoin isn't on nearly that large of a scale yet, but it seems to be following a similar pattern and heading in a similar direction.
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