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August 31, 2012, 02:58:34 PM
#6
That explains exactly nothing about how he made positive returns, much less in the amounts he was supposedly getting, for victims investors.  Could you summarize in your own words how Pirate made 7% returns (in BTC) weekly by taking your Bitcoin, selling it for cash, and then...purchasing Bitcoin back?  He would have to have been doing MASSIVE volume, and there is no way his local "friends" could have supported this sort of scheme based only on their desire for purchasing Bitcoin.  They could have gotten their Bitcoin anonymously from BitInstant or even through an exchange (as long as they aren't withdrawing, you can purchase Bitcoin anonymously easily online).  This makes zero sense as a business unless there is something I'm missing.  Maybe you could explain it.

Time is money. Money is time. Clients pay %markups for instant availability, for anonymity.

Let me give you two possible examples:

First example:
Let's assume you wanted to try to play the market, say $50k a month. (Pocket change for any real market wizards.)  You didn't want to keep large amounts of cash or btc tied up, but to be able to jump in/out of the market at will, without leaving IRS-related ripples.

Today, that's impossible.
-- Sell BTC today, and tell me how long it is till you have $real-money$ in your hand? 3 days? 5 days?
-- Have cash in your hand? How long till you get BTC? 48 hours? more?
-- every > $10k transaction is entitled to fairly high levels of visibility.

What kind of percentages would someone be willing to pay to reduce that to 4 hours? 2hours? Is it worth a 10% markup?

In the financial trading world, a company called "Spread Networks" spent $millions$ of $usd$ to build a new fiber route between Chicago and New York, just to shave a few MS off that path... and the financial houses paid happily just for a few milliseconds of advantage. (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/outfront-netscape-jim-barksdale-daniel-spivey-wall-street-speed-war.html)

Second example:
Let's assume you are moving "product X" from one part of the world to another. You don't want to leave a money trail. You need someone on each end willing to move $$$/BTC in large amounts. you don't care at ALL about the 10% ding. You don't care what the market price is, because you're moving in/out of btc.

I'm not sure why these concepts are either so hard to understand or so difficult to believe. I'm not saying it's impossible that bts&t was a scam. I'm not saying it's impossible that it was a ponzi. I'm not saying Pirateat40 is a standup guy who will return all the money.

I'm saying, just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it impossible.








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August 31, 2012, 01:22:45 PM
#5

so much... stuff.. being said.

If you believe what pirate himself posted back in November:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1137230

then here was his business:

Quote

The Business:
Over the last few months I have been selling BTC to a group of local people.  Now this is a don't ask don't tell group of people so I can't tell you exactly where and to whom the coins ultimately end up with but so far its been pretty painless.   During this last week I maxed out my available coins both personally and "leased" from other members and they needed a lot more.  Up until now, I have dealt with my core group of friends and been able to handle the requests, but they seem to be getting larger and more frequent.  So now I'm looking into other methods for keeping a consistent storage or on-demand availability of coins.  I have two plans available for those sitting on coins.

On-Demand
When an order comes in that is over what I have available I'll send out a request to users in this plan requesting the total needed.  The first to respond gets the deal and the transfer is made.  These coins will be tide up for 1 business day to give me enough time to settle the transaction and acquire the coins to return. This plan pays a flat 3.5%.

Storage
This plan works as an ongoing commitment.  You would send coins anytime to the address provided and you would earn interest on a daily basis.  You can withdraw your balance at anytime, but I do request that you give me a couple hours to insure I have coverage for the next order.  Interest payments are paid out ever 3 days until either you withdraw the funds or my local dealings dry up and I can no longer be profitable. This plan pays 1% per day.

Now I would hope to have enough people on the storage plan that I wouldn't have a need for the on-demand but I'll see how it goes.  I ultimately want the ability to provide coins at anytime and any amount for these guys and we can all share in the profits.

I've created my own custom management software that I've built to monitor deposits, withdraws and interest payments.  As this gets bigger I'll build a front end for it so users can view and manage there account and maybe putting that domain btclending.com to good use.   

For more information send me a PM or just ask below.  You can check out my OTC ratings in my signature.

Edit: I forgot to mention that dealing with anything less than 50BTC is more work than its worth so I've made that the minimum on both plans.

Thanks

That's consistent with conversations I've had with him, sidebar, about potential $USD investors.

My 'theory' at the moment is poor planning combined with what was essentially a 'run' on his bank. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_run

Together, down goes the house.

Not that hard to figure out, and given the same circumstances, could happen to your local "community" bank.

That explains exactly nothing about how he made positive returns, much less in the amounts he was supposedly getting, for victims investors.  Could you summarize in your own words how Pirate made 7% returns (in BTC) weekly by taking your Bitcoin, selling it for cash, and then...purchasing Bitcoin back?  He would have to have been doing MASSIVE volume, and there is no way his local "friends" could have supported this sort of scheme based only on their desire for purchasing Bitcoin.  They could have gotten their Bitcoin anonymously from BitInstant or even through an exchange (as long as they aren't withdrawing, you can purchase Bitcoin anonymously easily online).  This makes zero sense as a business unless there is something I'm missing.  Maybe you could explain it.
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August 31, 2012, 12:16:00 PM
#4

so much... stuff.. being said.

If you believe what pirate himself posted back in November:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1137230

then here was his business:

Quote

The Business:
Over the last few months I have been selling BTC to a group of local people.  Now this is a don't ask don't tell group of people so I can't tell you exactly where and to whom the coins ultimately end up with but so far its been pretty painless.   During this last week I maxed out my available coins both personally and "leased" from other members and they needed a lot more.  Up until now, I have dealt with my core group of friends and been able to handle the requests, but they seem to be getting larger and more frequent.  So now I'm looking into other methods for keeping a consistent storage or on-demand availability of coins.  I have two plans available for those sitting on coins.

On-Demand
When an order comes in that is over what I have available I'll send out a request to users in this plan requesting the total needed.  The first to respond gets the deal and the transfer is made.  These coins will be tide up for 1 business day to give me enough time to settle the transaction and acquire the coins to return. This plan pays a flat 3.5%.

Storage
This plan works as an ongoing commitment.  You would send coins anytime to the address provided and you would earn interest on a daily basis.  You can withdraw your balance at anytime, but I do request that you give me a couple hours to insure I have coverage for the next order.  Interest payments are paid out ever 3 days until either you withdraw the funds or my local dealings dry up and I can no longer be profitable. This plan pays 1% per day.

Now I would hope to have enough people on the storage plan that I wouldn't have a need for the on-demand but I'll see how it goes.  I ultimately want the ability to provide coins at anytime and any amount for these guys and we can all share in the profits.

I've created my own custom management software that I've built to monitor deposits, withdraws and interest payments.  As this gets bigger I'll build a front end for it so users can view and manage there account and maybe putting that domain btclending.com to good use.   

For more information send me a PM or just ask below.  You can check out my OTC ratings in my signature.

Edit: I forgot to mention that dealing with anything less than 50BTC is more work than its worth so I've made that the minimum on both plans.

Thanks

That's consistent with conversations I've had with him, sidebar, about potential $USD investors.

My 'theory' at the moment is poor planning combined with what was essentially a 'run' on his bank. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_run

Together, down goes the house.

Not that hard to figure out, and given the same circumstances, could happen to your local "community" bank.





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legendary
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August 30, 2012, 07:59:11 PM
#2
LOL you're kidding right?

He was doing;

Receive coins from idiot -> party hard
receive coins from another idiot -> party harder
receive more coins from more idiots -> buy sports car
receive some more -> get some hot escort girl
receive some more, tell people they got trolled -> party hard and go to Hawaii
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August 30, 2012, 07:39:24 PM
#1
Anybody have any details on what Pirate was doing? Was it just a simple ponzi scheme or something else?
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