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June 11, 2013, 11:48:57 PM
My brother died this past week, and we are starting a foundation. We want to do a few things.

1. Aware people that allergies are way more serious than they seem to be (packages needn any peanut product bag. to be labeled like cigarettes, ex: "This product can kill you or your child if ingested", and possibly a big red "P" on any peanut product bag.

2. Do some charitable things in his name, such as clean highways, give scholarships, make baseballs (he was 11 and it was his favorite sport), make tributes (Mason Town, Songs, etc) and other nice things.

I would like to make donations possible in Devcoin, and I would like to get the support of the Devcoin community in starting this project. Not through donations (unless you have some extra DVC, a wallet will be created for this purpose over the next few weeks) but through sharing the word, and maybe posting on a thread when I make one later to this same effect.

Thank you for any support, I will post more information here.

1. Companies already have it. In the ingredient section, and mostly on the back or front of the product.

2. Even though I don't agree with how you flame people, or the ways you do most things, I'd be willing to donate a few DevCoins. Sorry for your loss, bro. (This seems really legit, actually.)
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June 11, 2013, 11:42:21 PM
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So in summary you're saying devcoin can't work because unlike most other cryptos currencies it's not a deflationary pyramid scheme, even though such schemes are necessarily flawed as currencies from the onset? And that although the required stability and sustainability for real world substitutability of state fiat, given economic and monetary trends (no I don’t know at what price), could perhaps be achieved with a currency concept like Devcoin it is Devcoin that has the model wrong?

I think it will be fascinating to observe the progression of views and wake-up calls in this area over time as people begin to appreciate that wealth still does not grow on trees or with feigned blockchain scarcity. Actually it’s already fascinating, if a little tragic. 'Ethicoin' can't work with a limited blockchain in application of anything like the devcoin model because the weight placed on early payout > later. This problem won't be remedied by a rising price because there is no incentive for early adopters and miners to give away a free lunch and therefore every arguable downside but none of the upside of devcoin. But I'm sure the developers understand this, as do you. But good luck with it.


If it isn't working now, why should I believe it can work 5 years from now when there will be better alternatives for sure? This is the Devcoin moment where it either finds a way to get everyone working for it, or next year the infrastructure to work for Bitcoin will be set up and no one will care about Devcoin.

Ethicoin has a chance to fill the void and possibly fill the niche so I'm waiting to see what they do and Litecoin isn't exactly Bitcoin so they have a couple years and then they too will be in the same position of Devcoin. Bitcoin is about to go mainstream in 2014 and if Devcoin isn't being used by all of us by that time then I would say it may be too late.

And when I say used by all of us, I mean anyone who wants a job on this forum should be able to find a job which pays in a significant amount of Devcoin if they are willing to do the job. I know people will say Devcoin was set up to pay developers, but most people on this forum are developers and how many of us are paid in Devcoin right now?

Bounties are not a very good way to do things. Subscription models like what Coinbase is offering could kill Devcoin once enough podcasters and bloggers switch over. Writers just starting out will use Devcoin but once they become successful they'll sell their works for Bitcoin. Journalists may have to go with a Bitcoin subscription model because Devcoin just wont pay them enough in $. I can't believe I'm the only one who can see this coming.

The deflationary model is right. You don't agree for philosophical reasons but to anyone who owns Bitcoins which are worth $100 each, and who owns ASICminer shares worth 2.5 BTC each, or who is mining with an ASIC right now, why would these people have a problem with the 21 million Bitcoin limit?
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June 11, 2013, 11:35:48 PM
I previously mentioned that it would totally make sense to finance hackathons, i.e. project which can be implemented in 48 hours. There are programmers who would not mind getting like $1000 for such hackathon, especially if it is fun... And if one of ten will be successful, it will pay off.
How is a hackathon any different from a writeathon or a poetry contest? Just because a lot of programmers produce a lot of code it does not mean that code will be worth any money. A lot of very valuable free software doesn't make any money for the programmers writing it. Bitcoin is really a change in the model and the reason I support the deflationary model of Bitcoin is because early adopters (beta testers) and the original programmers are getting rich now. To me that is how it's supposed to work when you invent something of value for the world.

Imagine if Satoshi were paid in Devcoins instead. If Satoshi had millions of Devcoins, or even billions, it just would not work because there is no reason to mine Devcoins when 90% of profits go to the developers. Ethicoin has the advantage here in that it's fairly distributed 50/50 which to me makes a lot of sense.
This isn't true, many Devcoin bounties were paid for

  • software
  • open-source hardware
  • logo/banner designs
  • mining pools which offer an option to auto-exchange Bitcoins they mine into Devcoins
  • stock market to allow Devcoin-denominated assets

I suspect that mining stocks and other Devcoin-denominated securities had a significant impact on Devcoin market cap.

This is true, but it does not change the fact that it's easier for people to get paid writing for Devcoin because the bounty system isnt automated while Devtome is.

Particularly, this one: https://cryptostocks.com/securities/14 Ignore description, this is basically a Glari Mining Project (GMP) passthrough which pays Devcoins.

I suspect that when GMP will receive ASICs devcoin value might substantially go up...

And I'm saying it wont substatially go up. I know you have the masters degree in mathematics but lets see who is right. Our differences are philosophical and not based on abstract calculations. The statistics are what they are, the numbers are what they are, but I interpret them to mean something different. Let's find out who is right and if I'm wrong then I will eat my words but if you are wrong then perhaps you should consider a different model and consider my suggestion of a hard fork.

Anyway, Devcoin is pretty cool if you ignore everything about Devtome. It isn't about communism, it isn't about paying as many workers as possible. It is about providing capital for cool open-source projects.

If it's about paying as many workers as possible are you saying that people who produce code are somehow more valuable than people who write poems and books? I'm saying they are relatively the same because the nature of the work is relatively the same. This is why the pay should be relatively the same.

But you're under the impression that somehow if we turn all the writers into programmers that this will make any difference? It's still just people getting paid for language arts, it's not going to make any real difference. Devcoin isn't going to become more valuable just because some guys writing python and visual basic are making apps for Devcoins instead of a bunch of guys writing novels and poems. My argument is that Fin Shaggy has done more to popularize Devcoin than anyone else and he did it with his words, not writing code.

I think perhaps the problem with Devcoin is that it can only support a finite amount of writers and programmers at a time. That isn't how a market is supposed to work. When more people are willing to work, the pie isn't supposed to shrink. When productivity and quality increases the profits aren't supposed to shrink. That is what I see happening with Devtome. Devtome is more popular than ever, has higher quality works being produced than ever, yet the pay for each worker is going down?

This provides no further incentive for workers to improve quality, or produce better work. The same will apply to programmers, eventually the pay ceiling for programmers will be reached just as it is for writers and then no amount of innovation, hard work, or quality will transcend that ceiling.

That is the problem with Devcoin in the immediate future. Unless quality and innovation is rewarded then it's all going to fail. And no one said anything about communism, but the purpose of Devcoin and of an economy in general is to allow people to trade and in this case people want to trade writing because Devcoin currently supports only writing.

Bounties are going to be very limited. So basically you're saying Devcoin is always going to be a very small market which can't really grow too large or it stops working. That is why I say it's broken from the start.
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June 11, 2013, 09:31:35 PM
My brother died this past week, and we are starting a foundation. We want to do a few things.

1. Aware people that allergies are way more serious than they seem to be (packages need to be labeled like cigarettes, ex: "This product can kill you or your child if ingested", and possibly a big red "P" on any peanut product bag.

2. Do some charitable things in his name, such as clean highways, give scholarships, make baseballs (he was 11 and it was his favorite sport), make tributes (Mason Town, Songs, etc) and other nice things.

I would like to make donations possible in Devcoin, and I would like to get the support of the Devcoin community in starting this project. Not through donations (unless you have some extra DVC, a wallet will be created for this purpose over the next few weeks) but through sharing the word, and maybe posting on a thread when I make one later to this same effect.

Thank you for any support, I will post more information here.
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June 11, 2013, 08:04:45 PM
Does the "Report to moderator" button do anything magic?

I don't know. I decided to give it a visit and see.  Roll Eyes
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June 11, 2013, 08:03:19 PM
Owsley,

For YOU, Devcoin and the Devtome are the biggest scams since Ponzi himself.  So you should ABSOLUTELY stay away from them (and this thread).

The REST of us will make the decision to ignore your posts.  Does the "Report to moderator" button do anything magic?

DEVCOIN spyware imho stay farrr away bad juju
legendary
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June 11, 2013, 08:00:56 PM
Owsley,

For YOU, Devcoin and the Devtome are the biggest scams since Ponzi himself.  So you should ABSOLUTELY stay away from them (and this thread).

The REST of us will make the decision to ignore your posts.  Does the "Report to moderator" button do anything magic?
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June 11, 2013, 07:58:43 PM
Is the coinzen domain for a Devcoin forum with email still reserved? What would the bounty be if it were only a forum with no SMTP mail system?

The requirement is for a full email system.

DEVCOIN - > so we can watch and track you lmao
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June 11, 2013, 07:55:33 PM
Is the coinzen domain for a Devcoin forum with email still reserved? What would the bounty be if it were only a forum with no SMTP mail system?

The requirement is for a full email system.
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June 11, 2013, 07:47:24 PM
But yeah, he does seem mad. I'm thinking maybe it is one of my trolls from somewhere else. I have stalkers from other forums that will comment on anything I post there, and I haven't been posting there for a while. With the loss of my brother and everything that followed.

Plus I was on here a lot even before that, so they probably miss me. They don't have anyone to stalk and talk shit to.


Lol.  Sorry about your bro man.

As far as being in charge.  I don't know a lot about digital coins but I'd say since the founder can choose to change the rules (ie. hard fork) and also the distribution model along with maintaining the coin or letting it die then he's pretty much in charge.  And who's to say unthinkigbit doesn't have a large majority stake.

I mean he works and earns coins as well and he could have easily accumulated additional large amounts of coins if he wanted to gain more control for relatively little money.  
Thank you.

All very true. And I just thought about something, he does have control of the code correct? I'm not exactly sure what all that entails. I'm really not a techy person, just happen to be on a computer.

Based on my limited understanding there are multiple "trusted nodes" that are run by different people. For a hard fork to happen, pool owners have to update, people have to update their clients and the nodes (I think?) have to update.

I think this helps put in a bit of checks-and-balances.

IMHO I'D BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT USING THE WORD TRUSTED AND DEVCOIN IN THE SAME SENTANCE!

;-) i'm just sayinggggg
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aka 7Strykes
June 11, 2013, 07:45:30 PM
What about business shares? I can set my business up to receive devcoin.
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June 11, 2013, 07:44:12 PM
But yeah, he does seem mad. I'm thinking maybe it is one of my trolls from somewhere else. I have stalkers from other forums that will comment on anything I post there, and I haven't been posting there for a while. With the loss of my brother and everything that followed.

Plus I was on here a lot even before that, so they probably miss me. They don't have anyone to stalk and talk shit to.


Lol.  Sorry about your bro man.

As far as being in charge.  I don't know a lot about digital coins but I'd say since the founder can choose to change the rules (ie. hard fork) and also the distribution model along with maintaining the coin or letting it die then he's pretty much in charge.  And who's to say unthinkigbit doesn't have a large majority stake.

I mean he works and earns coins as well and he could have easily accumulated additional large amounts of coins if he wanted to gain more control for relatively little money.  
Thank you.

All very true. And I just thought about something, he does have control of the code correct? I'm not exactly sure what all that entails. I'm really not a techy person, just happen to be on a computer.

Based on my limited understanding there are multiple "trusted nodes" that are run by different people. For a hard fork to happen, pool owners have to update, people have to update their clients and the nodes (I think?) have to update.

I think this helps put in a bit of checks-and-balances.

And who's to say unthinkigbit doesn't have a large majority stake.
= nobrainer!
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June 11, 2013, 07:41:24 PM
Is the coinzen domain for a Devcoin forum with email still reserved?

Yup.

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What would the bounty be if it were only a forum with no SMTP mail system?

Nothing.
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June 11, 2013, 07:35:29 PM
Is the coinzen domain for a Devcoin forum with email still reserved? What would the bounty be if it were only a forum with no SMTP mail system?

When the devcoin business bounty was first announced:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.649844

it had five decreasing awards, similar to the standard bounty. The standard bounty is meant for services where we only need one, but are willing to pay for four so that we're sure to have at least one running. However, for businesses, each new business adds to the value of devcoin.

Therefore, I propose expanding the business bounty from five awards in both the mining and non mining category to twelve in both. That would change the bounty to 6 generation shares for the first two businesses, 5 for the next two, then 4, then 3, then 2, and one for the last two. This change would be retroactive, so any previous business awards would be topped up in the next round.

Are there any objections to expanding the business bounty to twelve awards?

Edit: Two mining business awards have been sent:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1141002
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2093428

two five share awards remain.


Are the business shares still up?
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June 11, 2013, 06:49:18 PM
But yeah, he does seem mad. I'm thinking maybe it is one of my trolls from somewhere else. I have stalkers from other forums that will comment on anything I post there, and I haven't been posting there for a while. With the loss of my brother and everything that followed.

Plus I was on here a lot even before that, so they probably miss me. They don't have anyone to stalk and talk shit to.


Lol.  Sorry about your bro man.

As far as being in charge.  I don't know a lot about digital coins but I'd say since the founder can choose to change the rules (ie. hard fork) and also the distribution model along with maintaining the coin or letting it die then he's pretty much in charge.  And who's to say unthinkigbit doesn't have a large majority stake.

I mean he works and earns coins as well and he could have easily accumulated additional large amounts of coins if he wanted to gain more control for relatively little money.  
Thank you.

All very true. And I just thought about something, he does have control of the code correct? I'm not exactly sure what all that entails. I'm really not a techy person, just happen to be on a computer.

Based on my limited understanding there are multiple "trusted nodes" that are run by different people. For a hard fork to happen, pool owners have to update, people have to update their clients and the nodes (I think?) have to update.

I think this helps put in a bit of checks-and-balances.
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June 11, 2013, 06:46:06 PM
Shoo fly.
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June 11, 2013, 06:03:30 PM
But yeah, he does seem mad. I'm thinking maybe it is one of my trolls from somewhere else. I have stalkers from other forums that will comment on anything I post there, and I haven't been posting there for a while. With the loss of my brother and everything that followed.

Plus I was on here a lot even before that, so they probably miss me. They don't have anyone to stalk and talk shit to.


Lol.  Sorry about your bro man.

As far as being in charge.  I don't know a lot about digital coins but I'd say since the founder can choose to change the rules (ie. hard fork) and also the distribution model along with maintaining the coin or letting it die then he's pretty much in charge.  And who's to say unthinkigbit doesn't have a large majority stake.

I mean he works and earns coins as well and he could have easily accumulated additional large amounts of coins if he wanted to gain more control for relatively little money.  
Thank you.

All very true. And I just thought about something, he does have control of the code correct? I'm not exactly sure what all that entails. I'm really not a techy person, just happen to be on a computer.
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June 11, 2013, 05:54:52 PM
WHO >>PLEASE PROVIDE LINK OR STFU!!!

;-)

WEEEEEEEEE

Please Search Google for Devcoin bounties AND STFU Smiley

NO I'M ASKING YOU WHO IS IN CHARGE OF DEVCOIN? >>> YOU?

No one is "in charge" of Devcoin, that only happens once there is a 51% takeover. But Unthinkingbit runs devtome and is the developer if I am not mistaken.

Fin, I actually think unthinkingbit is the guy in charge of devcoin.  I mean, it's his coin from what I understand so then he must be in charge.  This guy is just bitter over some personal matter regarding devtome.  The way he writes he probably either didn't get paid or he had his articles deleted.

Sorry, but grammar is somewhat important if you're gonna write.  Uhhh, I mean - going to.  Ha.

i've been writing for over 5 years ...DEVCOIN looks like a SCAM at this point

Obviously.  

That's why just an hour ago you were begging for access to devtome so you can earn devcoins and only after you were denied you flipped your virtual lid.


EDIT:

      Weisoq, I hope there's some protection for writers from guys like this.  I know I have access to everyone's articles, I can alter them in any way and with thousands of these articles who would find out?  With a quick cut and paste job one can render others articles pretty much into incomprehensible trash. 

This is a serious security issue.

begging? rotflmfao >> NO i was just pointing out the fact it don't work and it's not an open offer to anyone only who the DEVSCAMERS pick ...scrrrr
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June 11, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Yup, just as I thought.  He couldn't get into devtome cause he's incompetent.
Can you imagine this angry troll writing for devtome.
Looks like the record low devtome share value is starting to bring in the lowest form of trolls.  I hope this isn't going to be a trend.
WeisoQ, hope you have his IP address cause this guy is gonna try under a different ID and if you give him access he's gonna wreak havoc on all our work.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2441690
I would just ignore him like everybody else Vlad. There's no need to block an IP because devtome pages can be instantly restored to previous versions so it would only take one edit to spot and restore, making the idea pointless, particularly with growing numbers of writers to highlight any changes. If you want to discuss it more send me a pm so we don't have to litter the thread with the subject of garbage. Cheers
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June 11, 2013, 05:41:32 PM
WHO >>PLEASE PROVIDE LINK OR STFU!!!

;-)

WEEEEEEEEE

Please Search Google for Devcoin bounties AND STFU Smiley

NO I'M ASKING YOU WHO IS IN CHARGE OF DEVCOIN? >>> YOU?

No one is "in charge" of Devcoin, that only happens once there is a 51% takeover. But Unthinkingbit runs devtome and is the developer if I am not mistaken.

Fin, I actually think unthinkingbit is the guy in charge of devcoin.  I mean, it's his coin from what I understand so then he must be in charge.  This guy is just bitter over some personal matter regarding devtome.  The way he writes he probably either didn't get paid or he had his articles deleted.

Sorry, but grammar is somewhat important if you're gonna write.  Uhhh, I mean - going to.  Ha.

i've been writing for over 5 years ...DEVCOIN looks like a SCAM at this point

Obviously.  

That's why just an hour ago you were begging for access to devtome so you can earn devcoins and only after you were denied you flipped your virtual lid.


EDIT:

      Weisoq, I hope there's some protection for writers from guys like this.  I know I have access to everyone's articles, I can alter them in any way and with thousands of these articles who would find out?  With a quick cut and paste job one can render others articles pretty much into incomprehensible trash.  

This is a serious security issue.


EDIT 2: 

Thanks weisoq.  Let's end this whole mess.  I'm putting the guy on ignore now.

It's just that unless my word count is off I don't regularly go back to check my articles for sabotage.  It would be easy to alter many articles with few people picking up on it.  Thanks for the feedback.
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