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Quote from: Cypto_Anarchist on October 10, 2019, 08:55:57 AM

One thing about authoritarian/totalitarian governments is that they want to control all aspects of the county that they currently reside in with an iron fist. As a result, the people there are most likely restricted to following the current dictator or group of people in charge and are unwilling to step out of line due to the fear of consequences. Cryptocurrency can probably bypass that control Considering that a majority of places with dictators can still access the Internet via a VPN or other means they can use cryptocurrencies.

An example would be in China, considering that their government controls its economy and has a lot of restrictions on what people can and cannot do with the currency (RMB) that they use. Cryptocurrencies can bypass that control as they are not controlled by any government and can keep the identity of its users a secret when they do transactions this can result in people using cryptocurrency being able to freely trade without any restrictions on how much they use. As a result, cryptocurrencies allow people in oppressed regions to become freer as they are not restricted in terms of money and trade.

Cryoto can indeed help mask users from the government but its existence could still hinder its development. Trading within banned countries are fine but people would rather trade freely without any possible risk in their assets and lives right? Countries that banned china impose penalties upon cryptousers and even if you know they can't find you, it'd still be on your mind and could potentially haunt you for life.

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Quote from: BlackFor3st on October 10, 2019, 10:17:30 PM

Quote from: Cypto_Anarchist on October 10, 2019, 08:55:57 AM

One thing about authoritarian/totalitarian governments is that they want to control all aspects of the county that they currently reside in with an iron fist. As a result, the people there are most likely restricted to following the current dictator or group of people in charge and are unwilling to step out of line due to the fear of consequences. Cryptocurrency can probably bypass that control Considering that a majority of places with dictators can still access the Internet via a VPN or other means they can use cryptocurrencies.

An example would be in China, considering that their government controls its economy and has a lot of restrictions on what people can and cannot do with the currency (RMB) that they use. Cryptocurrencies can bypass that control as they are not controlled by any government and can keep the identity of its users a secret when they do transactions this can result in people using cryptocurrency being able to freely trade without any restrictions on how much they use. As a result, cryptocurrencies allow people in oppressed regions to become freer as they are not restricted in terms of money and trade.

You cannot bypass once the government will control all aspects of the country or there is an dictatorship that is happening. Everything can be seen by the government if they are going to do so,like for example they totally banned crypto currencies then they will surely create a group that will check everything about crypto currencies.

That is how powerful the government is, once all the government will totally banned crypto currencies then we don't have other option but to follow it or else we will be jailed or executed.

It's not possible to totally ban crypto-currencies, or restrict certain parts of the internet now though. Unless you implement extreme punishments for using crypto-currencies, and have people going around houses trying to find people who break these rules, it's very hard to close of sections of the internet with just rules.

VPNs and a wide variety of other applications exist and they are easily able to used to circumvent these laws and provide an escape for people under the rule of those governments.

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Quote from: dothebeats on October 10, 2019, 11:54:33 AM

A good benefit of crypto over state-owned and regulated currencies. One does not simply halt the use of a decentralized currency no matter how strong or powerful he/she is in a country/state. Even if the dictator is to impose exclusivity in what currency to use, no one can really know if a citizen disobeys the rules and goes in to use other currencies other than the one that is advertised by the government, which is pretty good in order to preserve one's wealth. There's beauty in disobedience, in a way that it helps the little folks, and luckily, cryptocurrency aids us in this case.

Doing what is prohibited is adventurous and cool until the state will take the law implementation to the most serious level with corresponding harsh penalty or punishment, and the whining and crying start. Lucky for many, authoritarian/totalitarian governments are strict but definitely not in all aspects. China was somehow like that when it banned ICOs, exchange platforms, and mining and whatever was crypto-related.

There was a post made here quite a long time ago during the height of all these ban implementations and he/she said that the ban was only harsh in the news. He/she was in China himself/herself and there was no feeling of clamping down on Bitcoin. People continue buying and selling Bitcoin, albeit limited on a peer-to-peer basis.

But there seems to be an advantage with digital technologies. They seem to be a lot wider universe than ours.

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Quote from: Cypto_Anarchist on October 10, 2019, 08:55:57 AM

One thing about authoritarian/totalitarian governments is that they want to control all aspects of the county that they currently reside in with an iron fist. As a result, the people there are most likely restricted to following the current dictator or group of people in charge and are unwilling to step out of line due to the fear of consequences. Cryptocurrency can probably bypass that control Considering that a majority of places with dictators can still access the Internet via a VPN or other means they can use cryptocurrencies.

An example would be in China, considering that their government controls its economy and has a lot of restrictions on what people can and cannot do with the currency (RMB) that they use. Cryptocurrencies can bypass that control as they are not controlled by any government and can keep the identity of its users a secret when they do transactions this can result in people using cryptocurrency being able to freely trade without any restrictions on how much they use. As a result, cryptocurrencies allow people in oppressed regions to become freer as they are not restricted in terms of money and trade.

You cannot bypass once the government will control all aspects of the country or there is an dictatorship that is happening. Everything can be seen by the government if they are going to do so,like for example they totally banned crypto currencies then they will surely create a group that will check everything about crypto currencies.

That is how powerful the government is, once all the government will totally banned crypto currencies then we don't have other option but to follow it or else we will be jailed or executed.

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Quote from: zhekinsp on October 10, 2019, 01:23:39 PM

If government restricted the usage of cryptos then bypassing their laws is criminal offence so you need to decide first are you sure to do this?

That could happen, just take the recent movie about bitcoin, they portrait it as illegal that used in shady activities. And that could be a valid reason for the government to restrict the use of cryptos while honestly, not far to happen thus abuse.

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Better let the governments to realize why government is important for the people than by passing it with some tools.Even if we use VPN we may not get full crypto useage if all the countries restricted it.

I bet not all the countries will perceive like this as there are some government that is open and innovative when it comes in new technology.

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Quote from: zhekinsp on October 10, 2019, 01:23:39 PM

If government restricted the usage of cryptos then bypassing their laws is criminal offence so you need to decide first are you sure to do this?

It's true that the average person might not bother, but the option is still there should anyone truly need it. If a dictatorship is breathing down your neck, legality would hardly matter to you, and they can't do shit about it.

Quote from: zhekinsp on October 10, 2019, 01:23:39 PM

Better let the governments to realize why government is important for the people than by passing it with some tools.Even if we use VPN we may not get full crypto useage if all the countries restricted it.

Not everyone has the privilege of living in a country with a non-authoritarian government, unfortunately. For people like that, they have no choice but to take care of themselves, and that could entail breaking the rules a bit. Should they need Bitcoin, it's there, and not even the law can stop it.

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This is a great post and reflects some of the issues that cryptocurrencies will probably be able to fix due to their nature, well done op.

Quote from: fortunecrypto on October 10, 2019, 08:30:47 PM

Quote from: Cypto_Anarchist on October 10, 2019, 08:55:57 AM

One thing about authoritarian/totalitarian governments is that they want to control all aspects of the county that they currently reside in with an iron fist. As a result, the people there are most likely restricted to following the current dictator or group of people in charge and are unwilling to step out of line due to the fear of consequences. Cryptocurrency can probably bypass that control Considering that a majority of places with dictators can still access the Internet via a VPN or other means they can use cryptocurrencies.

An example would be in China, considering that their government controls its economy and has a lot of restrictions on what people can and cannot do with the currency (RMB) that they use. Cryptocurrencies can bypass that control as they are not controlled by any government and can keep the identity of its users a secret when they do transactions this can result in people using cryptocurrency being able to freely trade without any restrictions on how much they use. As a result, cryptocurrencies allow people in oppressed regions to become freer as they are not restricted in terms of money and trade.

So that is why Bitcoin is moving forward it's hard for the government to stop embracing this technology, let's admit it Chinese are good in venturing to new things so they will not let anything to stop them from embracing this, because of the promised profit, I don't want to speculate but majority of people are driven to this technology because ot it's profit feature.

China has been more lax with their regulations in the recent times, and we saw this with Binance being able to operate in China again, which is kinda digging themselves into a deeper whole because of the features that crypto's are able to offer.

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Quote from: Cypto_Anarchist on October 10, 2019, 08:55:57 AM

One thing about authoritarian/totalitarian governments is that they want to control all aspects of the county that they currently reside in with an iron fist. As a result, the people there are most likely restricted to following the current dictator or group of people in charge and are unwilling to step out of line due to the fear of consequences. Cryptocurrency can probably bypass that control Considering that a majority of places with dictators can still access the Internet via a VPN or other means they can use cryptocurrencies.

An example would be in China, considering that their government controls its economy and has a lot of restrictions on what people can and cannot do with the currency (RMB) that they use. Cryptocurrencies can bypass that control as they are not controlled by any government and can keep the identity of its users a secret when they do transactions this can result in people using cryptocurrency being able to freely trade without any restrictions on how much they use. As a result, cryptocurrencies allow people in oppressed regions to become freer as they are not restricted in terms of money and trade.

So that is why Bitcoin is moving forward it's hard for the government to stop embracing this technology, let's admit it Chinese are good in venturing to new things so they will not let anything to stop them from embracing this, because of the promised profit, I don't want to speculate but majority of people are driven to this technology because ot it's profit feature.

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Quote from: nicecrypto on October 10, 2019, 12:38:34 PM

I guess that's the reason why government are not in approval and legalizing crypto because they still want to maintain control, power is toxic and absolute power is even worse, if the Chinese government has such control over it's citizens they wouldn't want to let go so easily, the government know what they are up against.

Yes, accepting the legality of crypto as a decentralized type of money and trading would be for a corrupt/dictatorship to say "here, now we don't have full power over you and your family".
The worst kind of government is the one that centralizes everything. China is such a government. And even a major country that is not a dictatorship like the USA is afraid of crypto because they're afraid of losing power over the people.

Yeah, now we know that government will have a hard time letting go of the control they have over others, btc gives back power to the people and this what the government is against, they are not done dictating your life and keeping tabs of you and your activities.

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It is a good point the op is making. However, I'd be talking about Bitcoin and a couple of other cryptocurrencies rather than all of them. Well, it actually depends on the definition of cryptos. The thing is, many are calling Ripple, Tether and Libra cryptocurrencies, and they would not really help to bypass dictatorships, because they lack decentralization. If we talk about decentralized cryptos or even those with anonymous transactions like Dash, they can help people to fund people or projects without the government knowing that, as well as keep their own money safe and out of sight. However, dictatorships also tend to have strict legislation regarding cryptocurrencies, and in some cases, it's just not worth the risks to use them.

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Quote from: Cypto_Anarchist on October 10, 2019, 08:55:57 AM

One thing about authoritarian/totalitarian governments is that they want to control all aspects of the county that they currently reside in with an iron fist. As a result, the people there are most likely restricted to following the current dictator or group of people in charge and are unwilling to step out of line due to the fear of consequences. Cryptocurrency can probably bypass that control Considering that a majority of places with dictators can still access the Internet via a VPN or other means they can use cryptocurrencies.

An example would be in China, considering that their government controls its economy and has a lot of restrictions on what people can and cannot do with the currency (RMB) that they use. Cryptocurrencies can bypass that control as they are not controlled by any government and can keep the identity of its users a secret when they do transactions this can result in people using cryptocurrency being able to freely trade without any restrictions on how much they use. As a result, cryptocurrencies allow people in oppressed regions to become freer as they are not restricted in terms of money and trade.

If government restricted the usage of cryptos then bypassing their laws is criminal offence so you need to decide first are you sure to do this?

Better let the governments to realize why government is important for the people than by passing it with some tools.Even if we use VPN we may not get full crypto useage if all the countries restricted it.

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Quote from: nicecrypto on October 10, 2019, 12:38:34 PM

I guess that's the reason why government are not in approval and legalizing crypto because they still want to maintain control, power is toxic and absolute power is even worse, if the Chinese government has such control over it's citizens they wouldn't want to let go so easily, the government know what they are up against.

Yes, accepting the legality of crypto as a decentralized type of money and trading would be for a corrupt/dictatorship to say "here, now we don't have full power over you and your family".
The worst kind of government is the one that centralizes everything. China is such a government. And even a major country that is not a dictatorship like the USA is afraid of crypto because they're afraid of losing power over the people.

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Quote from: Cypto_Anarchist on October 10, 2019, 08:55:57 AM

One thing about authoritarian/totalitarian governments is that they want to control all aspects of the county that they currently reside in with an iron fist. As a result, the people there are most likely restricted to following the current dictator or group of people in charge and are unwilling to step out of line due to the fear of consequences. Cryptocurrency can probably bypass that control Considering that a majority of places with dictators can still access the Internet via a VPN or other means they can use cryptocurrencies.

An example would be in China, considering that their government controls its economy and has a lot of restrictions on what people can and cannot do with the currency (RMB) that they use. Cryptocurrencies can bypass that control as they are not controlled by any government and can keep the identity of its users a secret when they do transactions this can result in people using cryptocurrency being able to freely trade without any restrictions on how much they use. As a result, cryptocurrencies allow people in oppressed regions to become freer as they are not restricted in terms of money and trade.

You have made a valid point up until mentioning that China is running a dictatorship government. Its ok to disagree with the policies of government but these accusation is really unfounded. For a fact, its not only China that is against crypto currency and its not the only country with citizens looking to get away from the grasp of government, its happening around the world even with countries that it can be claimed to be a free country. But really, not to post as an advocate of government but when they make regulations, its not for those that are doing the right thing but against those that would do the wrong thing. Putting that into perspective, government grouse against bitcoin or crypto is not to target individuals with just few amount of money or assets in cryptos but for those mega millionaires who would prefer to hide their resources there or corrupt politicians who would see crypto as a safe have or to the extreme people who want to cause trouble. And mainly because crypto does not discriminate, everyone is welcome.

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This is true censorship over internet is sort of a myth. India banned porn sites around but they are still accessible for people as far as i know. Chine has banned Facebook but I can see a whole lot of chinese people advertising Alibaba over facebook. So censorship completely is not possible but thing is people would only be willing to bypass censorship if it's for their self motive. Btc as of now doesn't provides these people any self motive for which they would be willing to bypass this security so this is why in such instances you would normally see dictators being successful in implementing controls.

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I guess that's the reason why government are not in approval and legalizing crypto because they still want to maintain control, power is toxic and absolute power is even worse, if the Chinese government has such control over it's citizens they wouldn't want to let go so easily, the government know what they are up against.

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A good benefit of crypto over state-owned and regulated currencies. One does not simply halt the use of a decentralized currency no matter how strong or powerful he/she is in a country/state. Even if the dictator is to impose exclusivity in what currency to use, no one can really know if a citizen disobeys the rules and goes in to use other currencies other than the one that is advertised by the government, which is pretty good in order to preserve one's wealth. There's beauty in disobedience, in a way that it helps the little folks, and luckily, cryptocurrency aids us in this case.

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It is one of the major benefits of cryptos, which runs on the free market. Probably that's the reason why we are seeing a great spike in bitcoin volume from Hong Kong where people are protesting against the Chinese dictatorship! See the below link for reference,

https://beincrypto.com/localbitcoin-trading-volume-in-hong-kong-spikes-to-highest-levels-ever-recorded/amp/

It seems like Hong Kong people are trying to safeguard their wealth from the Chinese government against their greed for land! One live example!

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One thing about authoritarian/totalitarian governments is that they want to control all aspects of the county that they currently reside in with an iron fist. As a result, the people there are most likely restricted to following the current dictator or group of people in charge and are unwilling to step out of line due to the fear of consequences. Cryptocurrency can probably bypass that control Considering that a majority of places with dictators can still access the Internet via a VPN or other means they can use cryptocurrencies.

An example would be in China, considering that their government controls its economy and has a lot of restrictions on what people can and cannot do with the currency (RMB) that they use. Cryptocurrencies can bypass that control as they are not controlled by any government and can keep the identity of its users a secret when they do transactions this can result in people using cryptocurrency being able to freely trade without any restrictions on how much they use. As a result, cryptocurrencies allow people in oppressed regions to become freer as they are not restricted in terms of money and trade.

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