Did Craig Wright turn out to be Satoshi Nakamoto

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Quote from: franky1 on April 17, 2017, 02:23:15 AM

i have a serious question to gauge your mindset..

are you the kind of person that gets a mortgage and thinks the house is yours free and clear?
or are you the person that knows the bank owns the house and as long as you repay the mortgage you are allowed to live in and maintain the house.

neither. false choice- it is not either one.

you have rights to the house and can redeem ownership if you do what you agree in the mortage contract

and you generally do not "GET a mortgage" you have less than you need to buy a p;lace and do a deal to buy it over time. So, you do not generally own it, you are saving to own it.

i learnt that one way early on - then with ex's (multiple) one tries to stay away from owning.

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Quote from: monsanto on April 17, 2017, 01:54:26 AM

THIS ^^^ is what it seems like to me. Wright was playing some game and the tax man cometh so he came up with some crazy story to lure in more investors and forestall ending up in the clinker. Allegedly of course Tongue

the tax ppl did NOT chase wright directly. It was fees and requirements on the co.s

Wright paid the tax office out - so they are not after him... So that theory fails.

DeMorgan - quietly moved offshore and closed in Aust
https://connectonline.asic.gov.au/RegistrySearch/faces/landing/SearchRegisters.jspx?_adf.ctrl-state=7otcu5zk9_4

Proof on the gov site - wright closed it - no debt all legit. The ATO are not after it now.

hotwire - paid and reinstated in full.
https://connectonline.asic.gov.au/RegistrySearch/faces/landing/panelSearch.jspx?searchText=164068348&searchType=OrgAndBusNm&_adf.ctrl-state=7otcu5zk9_49

keep saying your crap that the tax ppl are after wright - they are not. Wright paid it all out and moved overseas.

the tax in antigua is near zero and then does the deal.

all legal and he escapes BECAUSE they think initiallity it was a fraud!

So - NO prison. Not a bit as there is NOTHING for the tax ppl to get him on - UNLESS he is really satoshi and they know he was an early miner.

wright STARTED a company to mine bitcoin and other shite in MAy 2009!
https://connectonline.asic.gov.au/RegistrySearch/faces/landing/panelSearch.jspx?searchTab=search&searchText=integyrs&searchType=OrgAndBusNm&_adf.ctrl-state=7otcu5zk9_67

This was in the courts - wright ended up winning - but then he had already moved bitcoin OS.

The documents are online for the win - so ignore the facts as this is what he wants. Why actually check when there are shills and trolls wanting to ensure that wrights story that it is nothing are all around.

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Quote from: panopotty on April 17, 2017, 01:26:17 AM

i have a serious question to gauge your mindset..

are you the kind of person that gets a mortgage and thinks the house is yours free and clear?
or are you the person that knows the bank owns the house and as long as you repay the mortgage you are allowed to live in and maintain the house.

monsanto

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..like bright metal on a sullen ground.

Quote from: franky1 on April 16, 2017, 09:30:01 PM

Quote from: panopotty on April 16, 2017, 11:27:47 AM

again - wright HAS money

NOT HIS MONEY

its money from the shell games that all started from lies

its all about fake valuations that then used to get VC funding then he moves on and re-valuates another shell based on the last two shells.

and so on..

once the shells crack open and realise there is no pearl inside you realise its a shell game of ponzi's and fraud and he will have many investors and governments wanting their chunks of the pie back

THIS ^^^ is what it seems like to me. Wright was playing some game and the tax man cometh so he came up with some crazy story to lure in more investors and forestall ending up in the clinker. Allegedly of course Tongue

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Working 24 hours a day isn't enough anymore.

There is a one Satoshi Nakamoto which tells he is not the real Satoshi.
No ones believe him

There is finaly a "real" Satoshi! which tells Im Satoshi
No ones believe him

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Quote from: franky1 on April 16, 2017, 09:30:01 PM

NOT HIS MONEY

its money from the shell games that all started from lies

So you say... but it is not VC

and money was NOT recieved from the tax ppl

and there are staff ....

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Not to mention this sell to a "private" equity group of his tech/patents to an investment guy on an island?

So sad to see smart people get taken for a ride because of their belief in BTC.

These things never end well.

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Quote from: panopotty on April 16, 2017, 11:27:47 AM

again - wright HAS money

NOT HIS MONEY

its money from the shell games that all started from lies

its all about fake valuations that then used to get VC funding then he moves on and re-valuates another shell based on the last two shells.

and so on..

once the shells crack open and realise there is no pearl inside you realise its a shell game of ponzi's and fraud and he will have many investors and governments wanting their chunks of the pie back

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Quote from: Quickseller on April 16, 2017, 03:02:42 AM

]Sure, Wright could move known Satoshi coins and it would be known that he is satoshi, however the absence of this movement does not disprove that Wright is satoshi.

The only way to truly disprove something is to prove a certain set of circumstances that would make it impossible for this something to be true. So, in order to prove that Wright is not Satoshi, someoen would need to show that it would be impossible that Wright is Satoshi (one example of this would be to show that Wright was in a coma when Satoshi was posting).

I would say that the current evidence shows that it is highly unlikely that Wright is Satosh

The Burden of proof is on Wright since he is the one that came forward to make the claim that he was Satoshi Nakamoto. As others have mentioned in this thread, Craig could have easily proved that he was Satoshi, either by signing Satoshi's public key, or he could have moved some of his bitcoins. He has not done so. So I conclude that he is a liar, and an idiot. I say an idiot, because with his knowledge, how could he not realize that the evidence he presented, would be looked at by computer experts, and then be debunked?

Furthermore, he chose to submit his evidence to journalists, who he knew were not that technically sophisticated. I just don't get what he was trying to do, honestly.

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Quote from: Catmony on April 16, 2017, 11:46:17 AM

I think you missed out this old story, he was unable to prove himself as satoshi because he is not the real satoshi by any means. He is just a big lier...

AND WHY WOULD HE
He has money

and Betcoin.AG - that is Antigua - the same place as Wright AND his buddy Ayre...
Seems you want to have a story ....

or are you just against wright...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14049607

seems either way you have an axe to grind?

Quote from: jackg on April 16, 2017, 11:37:37 AM

Thanks, I hadn't seen this link yet...
It is good for delocalisation and there would be less of a way to stop it with it being controlled by multiple trusts.

exactly.
wright has things in seychelles, panama, kenya, isle of mann, malta, uk, signapore...

so... it all looks nice and clean... but who has the trust and who is really behind it.

and these are the guys wright had running the computers
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-09/the-new-money-laundering-sting-come-to-the-u-s-get-arrested
https://www.highsecured.com/

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I think you missed out this old story, he was unable to prove himself as satoshi because he is not the real satoshi by any means. He is just a big lier...

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Quote from: panopotty on April 16, 2017, 11:10:39 AM

Quote from: jackg on April 16, 2017, 11:05:42 AM

There were some ideas that he shouldn't use the Bitcoin he has from initial mining (I think it was around 1 million BTC.
Also if he ever wanted to convert that, he'd have to do it in small amounts (less than 1% a time in order to not negatively effect the market).

WRIGHT HAS MONEY!
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/13/company-behind-bitcoin-creator-sold-to-private-investors.html

He does not need to convert anytiem soon.

he has more than blockstream - satoshi or not - he was a miner in early 09 and he has 100s of millions USD at his disposal!

Thiink!

what better way to hide than private equity.
a company owned by a fund owned by a fund owned by a gorup of trusts...

Thanks, I hadn't seen this link yet...
It is good for delocalisation and there would be less of a way to stop it with it being controlled by multiple trusts.

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Quote from: monsanto on April 16, 2017, 11:26:10 AM

It should be, but wasn't Gavin Andresen tricked somehow when Craig Wright met him. IIRC Wright brought in a "brand new" computer, and supposedly signed something with Satoshi's key. Gavin said he was convinced, then later said he was no longer so sure CW was Satoshi. So it wasn't so simple for Gavin for reasons one can speculate on Wink

No Gavin did not say he was unsure, he said we should leave wright alone - not the same.

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Either he was Satoshi, but really wants the world to think he isn’t, so he created an impossible-to-untangle web of truths, half-truths and lies. And ruined his reputation in the process.

http://gavinandresen.ninja/either-or-ignore

And from the things I read, gavin said he setup the computer
and it was gavin's usb stick - not wrights

again - wright HAS money

Wright has degrees - he has money and he wants us to ignoire him!

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..like bright metal on a sullen ground.

Quote from: BrewMaster on April 16, 2017, 10:36:51 AM

you know what the worst part about argument about "... is or is not Satoshi Nakamoti" is

the worst part is that, this discussion is so dumb and at the same time it has a very simple solution.
step one of proving someone is Satoshi is if that someone signs a message (a cryptography proof). it is very simple that it makes me laugh even thinking about people who are still talking about it.

It should be, but wasn't Gavin Andresen tricked somehow when Craig Wright met him. IIRC Wright brought in a "brand new" computer, and supposedly signed something with Satoshi's key. Gavin said he was convinced, then later said he was no longer so sure CW was Satoshi. So it wasn't so simple for Gavin for reasons one can speculate on Wink

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Quote from: jackg on April 16, 2017, 11:05:42 AM

There were some ideas that he shouldn't use the Bitcoin he has from initial mining (I think it was around 1 million BTC.
Also if he ever wanted to convert that, he'd have to do it in small amounts (less than 1% a time in order to not negatively effect the market).

WRIGHT HAS MONEY!
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/13/company-behind-bitcoin-creator-sold-to-private-investors.html

He does not need to convert anytiem soon.

he has more than blockstream - satoshi or not - he was a miner in early 09 and he has 100s of millions USD at his disposal!

Thiink!

what better way to hide than private equity.
a company owned by a fund owned by a fund owned by a gorup of trusts...

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: panopotty on April 16, 2017, 11:00:43 AM

Quote from: d.kevin29 on April 16, 2017, 10:46:42 AM

Quote from: awesome31312 on April 16, 2017, 10:18:21 AM

I didn't even hear about this guy until you made the post. If he was truly "the" Bitcoin guy, I'm sure the community would be well aware of it by now.

The MSM spoke about this guy quite a lot recently, but I don't think Nakamoto ever wanted his identity to be revealed.

If he's the real creator, he should have some old BTC plans and prove the way he created it or so. He probably only wants to get his 'BTC Creator' status just for the money he wants to earn from it..

wright HAS money

he has more than blockstream and miners now

There were some ideas that he shouldn't use the Bitcoin he has from initial mining (I think it was around 1 million BTC.
Also if he ever wanted to convert that, he'd have to do it in small amounts (less than 1% a time in order to not negatively effect the market).

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Quote from: d.kevin29 on April 16, 2017, 10:46:42 AM

Quote from: awesome31312 on April 16, 2017, 10:18:21 AM

I didn't even hear about this guy until you made the post. If he was truly "the" Bitcoin guy, I'm sure the community would be well aware of it by now.

The MSM spoke about this guy quite a lot recently, but I don't think Nakamoto ever wanted his identity to be revealed.

If he's the real creator, he should have some old BTC plans and prove the way he created it or so. He probably only wants to get his 'BTC Creator' status just for the money he wants to earn from it..

wright HAS money

he has more than blockstream and miners now

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Quote from: awesome31312 on April 16, 2017, 10:18:21 AM

I didn't even hear about this guy until you made the post. If he was truly "the" Bitcoin guy, I'm sure the community would be well aware of it by now.

The MSM spoke about this guy quite a lot recently, but I don't think Nakamoto ever wanted his identity to be revealed.

If he's the real creator, he should have some old BTC plans and prove the way he created it or so. He probably only wants to get his 'BTC Creator' status just for the money he wants to earn from it..

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Quote from: BrewMaster on April 16, 2017, 10:36:51 AM

you know what the worst part about argument about "... is or is not Satoshi Nakamoti" is

the worst part is that, this discussion is so dumb and at the same time it has a very simple solution.
step one of proving someone is Satoshi is if that someone signs a message (a cryptography proof). it is very simple that it makes me laugh even thinking about people who are still talking about it.

IF the person WANTS to prove - urgh

Prove and pay taxes.

It is not proving, satoshi never wanted to prove - it is getting evoidence on a satoshi that does not want to be that is difficult

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There is trouble abrewing

you know what the worst part about argument about "... is or is not Satoshi Nakamoti" is

the worst part is that, this discussion is so dumb and at the same time it has a very simple solution.
step one of proving someone is Satoshi is if that someone signs a message (a cryptography proof). it is very simple that it makes me laugh even thinking about people who are still talking about it.

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