Did Satoshi just moved his coins? - page 2.

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Are you sure this is his personal account? I'm not sure.

Read the whole post. No one knows if it is actually Satoshis coin or someone elses. If some says those coins for sure belongs to Satoshi, then that guy is just trying to spread FUDs. Might me one of those early miners, or maybe Satoshi himself, who knows..

Quote from: SiNeReiNZzz on May 21, 2020, 07:34:38 AM

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But to express my guess, I think Satoshi would use his Bitcoins for charity at most! (if he still has control over it)
I don't think Satoshi would want to harm his work in the slightest.
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I highly doubt Satoshi would even touch his stash. If he starts moving his coins, people would start panicking.

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Quote from: SiNeReiNZzz on May 22, 2020, 04:52:21 PM

For my one I am just gonna sit back and relax. Cool

I will no longer expect a serious loss here anyway.
It's all too big for that, and as I said before, why would Satoshi destroy his masterpiece?

I just can't imagine that after all these years of success!

It's just a mere transfer of coins, I don't think that's related to any sort of destruction Cheesy

I think he is thinking if satoshi is going to sell of his coin in just one go, then the market would collapse.

There's a lot of whales here in crypto industry so satoshi selling his bitcoin would not be a total destruction to all of us. I think it will dump the price but that would not certainly destroy the market. And it's a just movement! nothing is going to happen LOL, satoshi is a genius! if he want to sell it he will do it in a small fraction every day or even months. He will never dump his coin in one transaction. Wink

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Quote from: SiNeReiNZzz on May 22, 2020, 04:52:21 PM

For my one I am just gonna sit back and relax. Cool

I will no longer expect a serious loss here anyway.
It's all too big for that, and as I said before, why would Satoshi destroy his masterpiece?

I just can't imagine that after all these years of success!

It's just a mere transfer of coins, I don't think that's related to any sort of destruction Cheesy

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on May 20, 2020, 10:29:37 AM

There was a flash crash on Bitstamp just now:

https://bitcoinity.org/markets/bitstamp/USD

Who tf panic sold because of this? Damn weak hands Grin

rofl, someone probably did a fat finger. (Is that even possible on Bitstamp?) let's cut the guy a bit of slack ha

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For my one I am just gonna sit back and relax. Cool

I will no longer expect a serious loss here anyway.
It's all too big for that, and as I said before, why would Satoshi destroy his masterpiece?

I just can't imagine that after all these years of success!

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 22, 2020, 08:13:38 AM

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Quote from: posi on May 21, 2020, 04:52:51 PM

Seriously, i think we don't need to take this conversation more seriously because the news is somehow affecting the crypto market already and whoever sent the transaction possibly wants this to happen and the person that sent the transaction is definitely not Satoshi. However, bitcoin has already got some dedicated miners since 2009 which Laszlo Hanyecz was among them and i don't think anyone should believe the transaction was from Satoshi because of the coin was mine in the year 2009, if the transaction does not come from the well known Satoshi wallet.

This is having zero effect on the market.

The ½ ing has dropped the diff.

I have spent more then five years studying difficulty drops more then anything else to predict price.

We are simply mirroring exactly what happen to litecoin last year after the lite coin 1/2ing

both difficulty and price dropped like mad.

LOOK AT LTC charts last year.

July 2019 pre 1/2ing 100 usd plus difficulty 16.5 million
August 2019 after ½ ing 60 usd plus difficulty 11..4 million

we are simply doing a variation of that.

Oh ok. I make the previous statement cause i once hear that the bitcoins in Satoshi wallet may somehow affect price of bitcoin market but due to your respond i think the exit of some miners after bitcoin halving which will lead to difficulty reduction was the reason why some people believe the halving effect to have already priced in but if we judge base on the difficulty decrease that happen 2013 and 2018

Tell you what. if 3 or 4 more low count blocks move. you would be correct I think people would panic.

I wonder how many blocks from 1 to 10,000 can be cashed out. ie people have keys.

It still good that my presumption is not correct though but i said exit of miners because theres a user i knew on this forum who's usually interested in everything that have to do with mining but he suddenly decided to join signature campaign now.
Meanwhile, from the look of things the market demand slightly increase, any reason for that?

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We are now getting an unexpected market movement of the coins from the highest market price that is over reaching out over into 9.9k dollars now it is already low for over 8.8k which is unexpected market movement of the coins and if you are getting curious there are a large amount of the market investment already pulled out within a single day which makes a lot of conclusion and rumors about the market that Satoshi Nakamoto investment already fall back its money from the year of 2009.
There are a lot of transactions noticed because of this kind of movement and we can observe this.

There are a lot of humor that the creator of the bitcoin will now show off it's personally again because of these a lot of address created and now most of the wallets are already have 0 balances.

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Quote from: posi on May 22, 2020, 02:40:24 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on May 21, 2020, 05:24:37 PM

Quote from: posi on May 21, 2020, 04:52:51 PM

Seriously, i think we don't need to take this conversation more seriously because the news is somehow affecting the crypto market already and whoever sent the transaction possibly wants this to happen and the person that sent the transaction is definitely not Satoshi. However, bitcoin has already got some dedicated miners since 2009 which Laszlo Hanyecz was among them and i don't think anyone should believe the transaction was from Satoshi because of the coin was mine in the year 2009, if the transaction does not come from the well known Satoshi wallet.

This is having zero effect on the market.

The ½ ing has dropped the diff.

I have spent more then five years studying difficulty drops more then anything else to predict price.

We are simply mirroring exactly what happen to litecoin last year after the lite coin 1/2ing

both difficulty and price dropped like mad.

LOOK AT LTC charts last year.

July 2019 pre 1/2ing 100 usd plus difficulty 16.5 million
August 2019 after ½ ing 60 usd plus difficulty 11..4 million

we are simply doing a variation of that.

Oh ok. I make the previous statement cause i once hear that the bitcoins in Satoshi wallet may somehow affect price of bitcoin market but due to your respond i think the exit of some miners after bitcoin halving which will lead to difficulty reduction was the reason why some people believe the halving effect to have already priced in but if we judge base on the difficulty decrease that happen 2013 and 2018

Tell you what. if 3 or 4 more low count blocks move. you would be correct I think people would panic.

I wonder how many blocks from 1 to 10,000 can be cashed out. ie people have keys.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 21, 2020, 05:24:37 PM

Quote from: posi on May 21, 2020, 04:52:51 PM

Seriously, i think we don't need to take this conversation more seriously because the news is somehow affecting the crypto market already and whoever sent the transaction possibly wants this to happen and the person that sent the transaction is definitely not Satoshi. However, bitcoin has already got some dedicated miners since 2009 which Laszlo Hanyecz was among them and i don't think anyone should believe the transaction was from Satoshi because of the coin was mine in the year 2009, if the transaction does not come from the well known Satoshi wallet.

This is having zero effect on the market.

The ½ ing has dropped the diff.

I have spent more then five years studying difficulty drops more then anything else to predict price.

We are simply mirroring exactly what happen to litecoin last year after the lite coin 1/2ing

both difficulty and price dropped like mad.

LOOK AT LTC charts last year.

July 2019 pre 1/2ing 100 usd plus difficulty 16.5 million
August 2019 after ½ ing 60 usd plus difficulty 11..4 million

we are simply doing a variation of that.

Oh ok. I make the previous statement cause i once hear that the bitcoins in Satoshi wallet may somehow affect price of bitcoin market but due to your respond i think the exit of some miners after bitcoin halving which will lead to difficulty reduction was the reason why some people believe the halving effect to have already priced in but if we judge base on the difficulty decrease that happen 2013 and 2018

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Quote from: mindrust on May 20, 2020, 01:17:40 PM

I'd say this is either satoshi, or Craig is about to make a comeback.

It's not Craig either > https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1263167631076364288?s=20

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Quote from: posi on May 21, 2020, 04:52:51 PM

Seriously, i think we don't need to take this conversation more seriously because the news is somehow affecting the crypto market already and whoever sent the transaction possibly wants this to happen and the person that sent the transaction is definitely not Satoshi. However, bitcoin has already got some dedicated miners since 2009 which Laszlo Hanyecz was among them and i don't think anyone should believe the transaction was from Satoshi because of the coin was mine in the year 2009, if the transaction does not come from the well known Satoshi wallet.

This is having zero effect on the market.

The ½ ing has dropped the diff.

I have spent more then five years studying difficulty drops more then anything else to predict price.

We are simply mirroring exactly what happen to litecoin last year after the lite coin 1/2ing

both difficulty and price dropped like mad.

LOOK AT LTC charts last year.

July 2019 pre 1/2ing 100 usd plus difficulty 16.5 million
August 2019 after ½ ing 60 usd plus difficulty 11..4 million

we are simply doing a variation of that.

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Seriously, i think we don't need to take this conversation more seriously because the news is somehow affecting the crypto market already and whoever sent the transaction possibly wants this to happen and the person that sent the transaction is definitely not Satoshi. However, bitcoin has already got some dedicated miners since 2009 which Laszlo Hanyecz was among them and i don't think anyone should believe the transaction was from Satoshi because of the coin was mine in the year 2009, if the transaction does not come from the well known Satoshi wallet.

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I've looked through all the posts in the thread, and while it seems clear it's not Satoshi, it is one of the early adopters (or someone close to an early adopter who has access to coins) which is exciting to me. When going through transactions linked to the addresses, I've noticed something many people could miss due to language and political background. Namely, 17XiVVooLcdCUCMf9s4t4jTExacxwFS5uh sent 11-year-old BTC to 1BzN95J72BLBafwgZiZZvM9s7Wj2bxzA6m (40 BTC) and 3A6AsxxxzgHnGKhiFyW4tYX1Hn2sjNfrQP (almost 10 BTC). But this old address also received a few very small transactions about 17 hours ago from 1PutinHujnU54vbyr6DX1gF2esqxx7KEz (correct me if I got the transaction info wrong). Now, the part of the transaction I marked in bold hints to its owner being a Ukrainian (or a sympathizer) because it means 'Putin is a d*ck' (but in a more offensive way), and it's a Ukrainian political thing since 2014. Interestingly enough, this address was previously spotted in another case this year, sending some small amounts of money to Warren Buffett: https://cryptonews.com/news/what-have-vladimir-putin-warren-buffett-and-justin-sun-got-i-5877.htm. It's probably nothing, but in case someone wants to dig in, it could be a clue.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 20, 2020, 10:37:34 AM

This was block number 3654

this link shows blocks 3621 to 3700

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/blocks?page=12549

It would be interesting to check the status of these 80 blocks.

3621 was moved in 2015
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17t6mqu7C7m9b3i2nsZD3GbJkk7Zf9G5CW

3653 untouched

3654 moved today https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17XiVVooLcdCUCMf9s4t4jTExacxwFS5uh

3655 untouched

3656 moved in 2011 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/16hA7GTgPvwwQQiYLKoifmpf4i41zcZfMF
3657 moved in 2011 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/12Mo25FhMY9Z378vksvbNS9qYtKd3todNS

3658 untouched
3659 untouched

3660 moved in 2011 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1F1njnLEnoCsm69bSdY3MRkeXytbBPDSkb

3661 untouched

3662 was moved in 2013
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1JjoRz995zpFY1QNTa8vnTxssWZXQPwVQu

3663 untouched
3664 untouched

3665 was moved in 2011
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1BjpESo9nYoqLUp58YoqsnGSyHJYNqp9T9

3666 untouched
3667 untouched
3668 untouched

3669 was moved in 2013
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/198y3FQrgb1QNhCRo9EWnTB2ddc4vyH61a

3670 was moved in 2011
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1JZFZDBVDt38QE3NQeVKLLhdrGbzXBcyz6

so some of these blocks have been moved.

the market won't crash over this and only morons would panic sell.

A very interesting research.

But to express my guess, I think Satoshi would use his Bitcoins for charity at most! (if he still has control over it)
I don't think Satoshi would want to harm his work in the slightest.

I would speculate on an early adopter of the first hours.

The field can definitely be narrowed down, but I don't think anyone can tell for sure who made this transaction! Unless the sender reveals himself...

But even this mere speculation about this is fun!

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"Nope. Bitcoin was announced on the cryptography mailing list in January 2009 and many people could have tested it. I found Bitcoin around April. @Cointelegraph"

- https://twitter.com/marttimalmi/status/1263159959602298886

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"Indeed. These folks call themselves journalists!

The BTC block in question was mined on Feb. 9th 2009.

In addition to SF, the 'cypherpunk' list and the P2P foundation - it's worth pointing out that http://bitcoin.org was also already live ...
- https://web.archive.org/web/20090131115053/http://bitcoin.org/"

- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_BTC/status/1263429814188421120

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"0800-CALLCRAIG, Calvin, better check with #Faketoshi if it's not on his fake & debunked Tulip Trust list!"

- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1263143402117398534

Cheesy

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"So the drama around the 50BTC that moved from a early wallet gets even better....Craig submitted to court a while back this address belonged to him - And now Calvin says he spoke to Craig and he says it wasn't him ..."

- https://twitter.com/BitcoinMemeHub/status/1263388598453207042

Grin

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- https://cointelegraph.com/news/craig-wright-denies-transferring-satoshi-coins-leaving-him-in-legal-catch-22/

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It can't be from Satoshi just because it was mined on 2009. Bitcoin had many other miners back in 2009.
All we know is the Bitcoins belong to some old miners but it doesn't mean that Satoshi mined them himself.

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Quote from: Connaught on May 21, 2020, 04:53:05 AM

Some of these coins have been moved to Coinbase (through a least two intermediaries), so Coinbase might know. The rest (approx. BTC 40) are just sat in this address: 1BzN95J72BLBafwgZiZZvM9s7Wj2bxzA6m

That it went to Coinbase really worries me. One should think that a person who started so early knew better....

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Some of these coins have been moved to Coinbase (through a least two intermediaries), so Coinbase might know. The rest (approx. BTC 40) are just sat in this address: 1BzN95J72BLBafwgZiZZvM9s7Wj2bxzA6m

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Quote from: squatter on May 21, 2020, 03:51:23 AM

Quote from: slackovic on May 21, 2020, 02:55:36 AM

Why does Satoshi's blocks look different than others? Where did you get this chart from? I'm really curious about this.

The theory is based on research published by Sergio Demián Lerner. Here is some background:

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The latest paper, called “The Return of the Deniers and the Revenge of Patoshi,” at first discusses Lerner’s original study and how he originally came to his previous conclusion. Lerner detailed how he found the information in the extranonce field and how certain flaws revealed information in a “non-privacy preserving way.”

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However, Lerner’s latest study “proves with overwhelming probability” that a single miner extracted all of the coins in his Patoshi pattern, which is well over a million BTC. The researcher’s new argument is based on computer clocks because even in the early days miners used a local computer’s clock to timestamp blocks after processing them.

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“There are no time inversions between Patoshi blocks — Zero — This result is very relevant considering the Patoshi blocks account for 43% of all the blocks in the first 50k. I’m open to considering other explanations, but for me, this can only mean one thing — There is a single PC clock whose time is stamped in the Patoshi blocks.” Lerner’s paper continues: “A single software that controls how block templates are created — A single miner.”

The evidence is fairly convincing, but I wouldn't consider the theory bulletproof.

Wow! I really didn't know about this until now. That's pretty fascinating... Thank you for the explanation.

Quote from: Lucius on May 21, 2020, 03:54:26 AM

Quote from: slackovic on May 21, 2020, 02:55:36 AM

Sorry for the off-topic, but could you please elaborate a bit more about this? Why does Satoshi's blocks look different than others? Where did you get this chart from? I'm really curious about this.

I was also not aware of the fact that it is possible to identify the blocks that is mined by Satoshi, but they say there is something called Patoshi pattern, and that Satoshi blocks can be identified by specific data called nonce. However, they say that this is not a method that can determine with complete certainty that it is not Satoshi block.

It's funny that everything around Satoshi is so secret. I'm really amazed that in ten years no one managed to identify who Satoshi really is.

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Quote from: slackovic on May 21, 2020, 02:55:36 AM

Sorry for the off-topic, but could you please elaborate a bit more about this? Why does Satoshi's blocks look different than others? Where did you get this chart from? I'm really curious about this.

I was also not aware of the fact that it is possible to identify the blocks that is mined by Satoshi, but they say there is something called Patoshi pattern, and that Satoshi blocks can be identified by specific data called nonce. However, they say that this is not a method that can determine with complete certainty that it is not Satoshi block.

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