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Topic: Did the police fuck up here? (Read 2068 times)

exoton

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Quote from: Furio on December 11, 2014, 10:52:33 AM

Quote from: exoton on December 10, 2014, 07:37:39 PM

Quote from: TheButterZone on December 07, 2014, 06:15:39 AM

No victim, no crime.

For many crimes, it is "society" who suffers from a particular crime. This is why most (if not all) states will try most cases as "the people vs [the defendant]" or "the commonwealth vs [the defendant]" as something happened that causes society as a whole to deteriorate.

This will result in one particular person being victimized however a crime would still occur

The only thing that makes society suffer is politics....

I would really disagree with that. You have violent crimes against people that makes whole communities suffer. When you have people doing things like speeding at reckless speeds, it puts other drivers in danger

TECSHARE

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Quote from: Balthazar on December 09, 2014, 11:05:04 AM

Real police officer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z883vZRCpsA

Holy shit. Was this guy in the Russian version of Terminator?

donseptico

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Quote from: TECSHARE on December 07, 2014, 06:23:22 AM

On a side note, where is this located? That cop looks like as if he is from the U.K.

Pretty sure it's New Zealand.

And no, the police didn't fuck up... they entered the property legally and, in so doing, observed something that either led to suspicion of an offence (which gives grounds for arrest / search) and/or items were in plain sight... The would have fucked up if they'd simply ignored the drugs paraphernalia as 'unrelated' to the person they were looking for.

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Quote from: Furio on December 11, 2014, 10:52:33 AM

Quote from: exoton on December 10, 2014, 07:37:39 PM

Quote from: TheButterZone on December 07, 2014, 06:15:39 AM

No victim, no crime.

For many crimes, it is "society" who suffers from a particular crime. This is why most (if not all) states will try most cases as "the people vs [the defendant]" or "the commonwealth vs [the defendant]" as something happened that causes society as a whole to deteriorate.

This will result in one particular person being victimized however a crime would still occur

The only thing that makes society suffer is politics....

bankers... not politics

Furio

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Quote from: exoton on December 10, 2014, 07:37:39 PM

Quote from: TheButterZone on December 07, 2014, 06:15:39 AM

No victim, no crime.

For many crimes, it is "society" who suffers from a particular crime. This is why most (if not all) states will try most cases as "the people vs [the defendant]" or "the commonwealth vs [the defendant]" as something happened that causes society as a whole to deteriorate.

This will result in one particular person being victimized however a crime would still occur

The only thing that makes society suffer is politics....

exoton

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Quote from: TheButterZone on December 07, 2014, 06:15:39 AM

No victim, no crime.

For many crimes, it is "society" who suffers from a particular crime. This is why most (if not all) states will try most cases as "the people vs [the defendant]" or "the commonwealth vs [the defendant]" as something happened that causes society as a whole to deteriorate.

This will result in one particular person being victimized however a crime would still occur

cryptocoiner

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Quote from: Balthazar on December 09, 2014, 11:05:04 AM

Real police officer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z883vZRCpsA

Fuck yeah!

cryptocoiner

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Quote from: BRE on December 08, 2014, 11:01:33 AM

I dont believe all police are bad people.
Actually, I believe the majority of people in general to be good, and therefore would expect the same ratio in the police profession.
However I feel police are misled via their training and due to the requirements of their jobs, into bad decisions, which reflects upon them as people.

thx captain obvious

Fabrizio89

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I don't know why you people are still surprised by this kind of "news", police do anything they like to at this point, someone in good faith thinks his serving a greater good by picking every small infraction to the law, others just like to see people suffer I guess.

malaimult

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Quote from: TECSHARE on December 07, 2014, 06:23:22 AM

Strictly speaking this should not be admissible in court in the US. When a warrant is issued it is supposed to outline the evidence to be seized, the crime, and the persons targeted in the raid. It could have been that the paraphernalia was out in the open and therefore did not constitute a search even though they were already in the dwelling. Unfortunately often things police just stumble upon become a bigger deal than what they showed up there for, and 3rd parties get wrapped up in lots of legal troubles as a result of someone else's actions. On a side note, where is this located? That cop looks like as if he is from the U.K.

The police will often identify anyone they encounter in a residence they are executing a warrant on. If they encounter someone who has an outstanding warrant then they will arrest such person. When someone is arrested, it has been accepted by the US supreme court that their immediate person can be searched.

kilter71

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Quote from: cryptocoiner on December 08, 2014, 09:12:47 AM

Quote from: TheButterZone on December 07, 2014, 06:15:39 AM

No victim, no crime.

totally agree

Depends on your definition of victim though. To be clear what I mean: Yes, if you murder someone then obviously the victim is the person you killed. However, if you're high on drugs (not necessarily weed, I'll give you that) aren't you more likely to harass someone, or commit some other crime to feed your addiction? Or how about the fact that drug addicts usually don't have jobs, so they financially harm the rest of society.

JLynn171

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Quote from: Possum577 on December 09, 2014, 02:39:13 AM

If it's illegal to have possession of the pipes, then yes the cops did the right thing. It's like getting busted for speeding...cops aren't looking for YOU speeding but you if you drive right past them speeding you should get pulled over.

Why so much tolerance for the criminals these days?

The US Garner (Staten Island) and Cleveland incidents excluded...Ferguson though, that guy assaulted an officer, was looking for confrontation.

If the cops arent looking for you speeding why are they sitting on the side of the highway with a radar gun checkking to see if you are speeding?

Balthazar

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TheButterZone

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Quote from: Possum577 on December 09, 2014, 02:42:45 AM

Quote from: JLynn171 on December 08, 2014, 10:35:25 PM

Firemen dont drive around looking for fires... Ambulance dont drive around looking for hurt people...
Fireman go out when someone or something is on fire... Ambulance go out when some one is sick and need fast ride to hospital...

Cop drives around looking for victimless crimes... Cops should only be dispatched when a crime has been commited against someone or someones property.

The cop's job is to go around looking for people breaking the law. The people that come around after someone has broken the law are the paramedics and the insurance adjusters. If cops are only dispatched after a crime has been committed every crime would be able to be committed without being caught in the act.

Who is going to knowingly commit a crime in front of a cop? Nobody; the theory of a uniform and marked vehicle patrol is deterrence via identification. Almost every crime lasting fewer than 5 minutes is committed without being caught, by uniformed police (who take minutes to arrive because we cannot afford to pay for a 1:1 cop:civilian ratio in any society), in the act.

If cops were plainclothed (and law-abiding sane civilians were armed), criminals with self-preservation instincts (99.9% of them) would have to view everyone as a possible threat, and only risk targeting victims who don't seem to be able to conceal a carry weapon, when nobody else is around.

Possum577

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Quote from: JLynn171 on December 08, 2014, 10:35:25 PM

Firemen dont drive around looking for fires... Ambulance dont drive around looking for hurt people...
Fireman go out when someone or something is on fire... Ambulance go out when some one is sick and need fast ride to hospital...

Cop drives around looking for victimless crimes... Cops should only be dispatched when a crime has been commited against someone or someones property.

The cop's job is to go around looking for people breaking the law. The people that come around after someone has broken the law are the paramedics and the insurance adjusters. If cops are only dispatched after a crime has been committed every crime would be able to be committed without being caught in the act.

Possum577

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Loose lips sink sigs!

If it's illegal to have possession of the pipes, then yes the cops did the right thing. It's like getting busted for speeding...cops aren't looking for YOU speeding but you if you drive right past them speeding you should get pulled over.

Why so much tolerance for the criminals these days?

The US Garner (Staten Island) and Cleveland incidents excluded...Ferguson though, that guy assaulted an officer, was looking for confrontation.

JLynn171

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Firemen dont drive around looking for fires... Ambulance dont drive around looking for hurt people...
Fireman go out when someone or something is on fire... Ambulance go out when some one is sick and need fast ride to hospital...

Cop drives around looking for victimless crimes... Cops should only be dispatched when a crime has been commited against someone or someones property.

sobitcoin

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Quote from: LiberyOrDeath on December 07, 2014, 11:24:02 PM

Quote from: Bizmark13 on December 07, 2014, 01:20:38 AM

Sometimes the police do good things. When terrorists kidnapped the Jewish athletes in the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, it was the police officers who risked their lives to save them. They failed to save them, but I think most people would agree that the fact they tried makes their actions good and heroic.

But then, I see stuff like this:

"Waiuku Police went to an address looking for someone in relation to not completing community work. As a result we arrested a 44 year old male for having drug related pipes on him in the bedroom. This was not the person we were after, but I suppose you could say was a bonus."

What do you think? Do you think they were justified in this occasion? If someone has a couple of marijuana pipes and isn't causing anyone harm then I see no reason why they should be harassed like this. Huh

Huh

Police always fuck up

Fact. Source from my town - http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/10/05/lethbridge-pot-bust-daisies_n_1943328.html

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Quote from: cryptocoiner on December 08, 2014, 09:12:47 AM

Quote from: TheButterZone on December 07, 2014, 06:15:39 AM

No victim, no crime.

totally agree

Find a crime, create victim, jail victim.

Wait...

BRE

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I dont believe all police are bad people.
Actually, I believe the majority of people in general to be good, and therefore would expect the same ratio in the police profession.
However I feel police are misled via their training and due to the requirements of their jobs, into bad decisions, which reflects upon them as people.

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