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legendary
Activity: 4326
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'The right to privacy matters'
@ vapourminer  you have a good point.  I have seen  the bitfury  chip  demo working at 0.06 watts.

So if chips become throw away cheap..   the s-11  with s-9 chips  could be developed.  Change clocks and volts dropping the .11 - .13  power to .07-.09



@QuintLeo

if the s-7  become 101%  cost for 30 days    they will power it off and I think you could buy it.

right now it is 55% cost to run it.

My feelings are  if an s-7 dies  they put in an s-9    and sell the hash at s-7 prices.

No one audits this  and the only way that get caught is every s-7  hash owner says  send me my s-7.



Here is another interesting thing they will be doing.

https://www.hashnest.com/notifications/18?ticket=ST-9388557-VfsU1HCA1GbWxczqPjVy-passport.bitmain.com

All users on hashnest, please be advised below. To avoid risk of the possible bitcoin fork, hashnest decide to stop all the services for bitcoin wallet , hashrate market and PACMIC contracts payback during 2017/07/31 8:00-2017/08/03 8:00 beijing time.


Back to the game:

Experimental Image Contribution:



Let's see how this holds up over time.
If it works well enough, feel free to quote it Phil.




we start at block #  1116
legendary
Activity: 4354
Merit: 3614
what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
Given that both IBM and Intel have already stated that Silicon has reached "the end of the road" at 7-10 nm (IBM's 7nm experimental work uses a HYBRID Silicon/Germanium wafer not the pure Silicon wafers most semiconductors have been made on for the last 30 years or so), it seems VERY likely that Moore's Law is finally about to break and it's going to be quite a bit longer between generations after folks get to 7nm.

might be interesting once the fabs move to a new process entirely (hybrid or whatever, ie not silicon based any more) as that will leave the current state of the art silicon fabs with lots of exess capacity. i cant see all those old tech fabs shutting down (or converting as that would mean basically all new equipment for the new process, so new fabs may be built instead, or existing ones being expanded, leave most old tech in place as its still useful) as lots of mainstream chips will still use them for run of the mill parts that dont need the extreme speed/power savings that the new process will offer. but those run of the mill chips wont take much capacity.

some asic makers will move to the new process but they will again be competing with the big boys and their cost will be substantial, amounting to what we more or less have now.. small runs, high price, low availability.. although they will be faster and more power efficient. so not a lot will be made at 1st.

so current fabs that have 90%+ of their capacity currently used by apple/amd/samsung/arm whatever will now be able to offer large runs of custom wafers at much cheaper prices. this may let asic makers (perhaps new ones as well at the few we have now) churn out "old tech" asic chips at much lower cost and much higher volume, as right now asic makers are competing for fab capacity. at the transition to a new process apple/samsung etc will move to those, leaving old fabs with excess capacity.

this may drive the prices of asics down to the point where asic miners are much more affordable and available. power efficiency will not be much better but the absurd cost of the chips will be lower, allowing new players into the the asic party.

this would mean lots more asics on the network. difficulty would start to climb again just from the sheer numbers of new machines based on silicon, which should still be competitive if the price is right..

current farms are mainly limited by price per unit and power capacity. lower the price per unit and those who are not hugely power limited (small farms/home/hobby miners) can start to build out bigger farms. for example i have extra power capacity (125 spare amps with no upgrades) but cost of asics (mainly), plus somewhat limited availability prevents me from buying.

after all what keeps most asic miners in check besides power? price and availability. fix those and watch out.

just me guessing out loud, love to hear of any other thoughts on this.
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1030
I suspect they aren't bothering to replace dying S7 units as such, just let them die and convert the "slot" into a S9 slot - and modify the available totals accordingly.

 Isn't there an option when your "Hashnest S7" becomes unprofitable for long enough that they shut it and your contract down and give you the option to buy the machine?



 There is NO new tech available for Bitmain to "do R&D on a new chip" WITH, that is going to provide a significant improvement in performance.

 They're AT the current semiconductor state-of-the-art so it's going to be a year or two AT LEAST before such a new process node is AVAILABLE to design for.


 People need to understand that the days of "a new generation in a year or less of miner" CAN'T HAPPEN any more, the only reason that was possible for so long was that miners weren't using the state-of-the-art prior to the S9 (and the same-gen Bitfury chip and some others since then) so they had room TO improve a lot more rapidly.

 At this point, a new generation every 3-5 years is going to be the norm, and expecting anything different is a pipe dream with no basis in reality.



 Given that both IBM and Intel have already stated that Silicon has reached "the end of the road" at 7-10 nm (IBM's 7nm experimental work uses a HYBRID Silicon/Germanium wafer not the pure Silicon wafers most semiconductors have been made on for the last 30 years or so), it seems VERY likely that Moore's Law is finally about to break and it's going to be quite a bit longer between generations after folks get to 7nm.



 It's not so much that Bitmain isn't interested in developing a "S11" model, it's that they CAN'T for a while longer.

legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 8950
'The right to privacy matters'
So phil  you think they are mining s-9's and have no s-7's at all?

No I think they   replace the dead s-7s with s-9's and sell the hash as s-7  which  make  them  more money.

I think no one can prove it.

But I think they do this.

So they have zero reason to develop  the s-11  at this moment.
sr. member
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So phil  you think they are mining s-9's and have no s-7's at all?
legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 8950
'The right to privacy matters'
oh man leo, I need one of those for every one of my rigs.

you sold it to me 4 or 5 months ago!


I know, I regret every moment of that...but I try to be a man of my word. If you ever want to sell it back...just let me know :p


How do you get your ASIC miners to switch pools based on profitability?


On the s-9. The third line the password line

.42

Would be the setting

As .33 is the correct rate

If no one is paying .42 it drops to second choice

If you get paid the .42 it is like 135 percent.



FFS someone needs to write a book about this stuff. Also, thanks for being such a wealth of knowledge...and sharing the wealth.  Shocked

They are making a fortune on hashnest s-7.


look what they charge for an s-7 for power


look what they charge for the x-9

legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1130
Bitcoin FTW!
Back on topic, hashrate seems to be going up again and we may well see another +10% rise in difficulty. As difficulty continues to rise I'm wondering whether Bitmain is doing R&D on a new chip or  if they plan on continuing S9 production as they are more focused on alts.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 501
oh man leo, I need one of those for every one of my rigs.

you sold it to me 4 or 5 months ago!


I know, I regret every moment of that...but I try to be a man of my word. If you ever want to sell it back...just let me know :p


How do you get your ASIC miners to switch pools based on profitability?


On the s-9. The third line the password line

.42

Would be the setting

As .33 is the correct rate

If no one is paying .42 it drops to second choice

If you get paid the .42 it is like 135 percent.



FFS someone needs to write a book about this stuff. Also, thanks for being such a wealth of knowledge...and sharing the wealth.  Shocked
legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 8950
'The right to privacy matters'
On another note Bitmain seems to have launched the D3 X11 miner (15GH/1200W) selling for $2600 and shipping in September. Perhaps you could get another X11 miner for a decent price if you wanted to Smiley profitability calculators show this thing making almost $100k a year but it will likely crash with iBeLink also releasing their DM11G.

I will toss it in as a prize here on the next round.

problem is the prizes are too small since we don't get many picking for free shot at sidehack compac and 2 ltc.
that would be cool

but i reckon the prizes are fine

maybe if it's not as popular as in its heyday, allow us to pick more of a range - wasn't it like that at one point?

if someone is seen to win a prize, the contest may become more popular again...


yeah  we had a bigger range  like .2 vs .1
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 4393
Be a bank
On another note Bitmain seems to have launched the D3 X11 miner (15GH/1200W) selling for $2600 and shipping in September. Perhaps you could get another X11 miner for a decent price if you wanted to Smiley profitability calculators show this thing making almost $100k a year but it will likely crash with iBeLink also releasing their DM11G.

I will toss it in as a prize here on the next round.

problem is the prizes are too small since we don't get many picking for free shot at sidehack compac and 2 ltc.
that would be cool

but i reckon the prizes are fine

maybe if it's not as popular as in its heyday, allow us to pick more of a range - wasn't it like that at one point?

if someone is seen to win a prize, the contest may become more popular again...
legendary
Activity: 4354
Merit: 3614
what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
problem is the prizes are too small since we don't get many picking for free shot at sidehack compac and 2 ltc.

thats a shame. old thread was mainly for fun even with the prize. lots of chatter etc.

hope this ones goes in that direction too.
legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 8950
'The right to privacy matters'
On another note Bitmain seems to have launched the D3 X11 miner (15GH/1200W) selling for $2600 and shipping in September. Perhaps you could get another X11 miner for a decent price if you wanted to Smiley profitability calculators show this thing making almost $100k a year but it will likely crash with iBeLink also releasing their DM11G.

I will toss it in as a prize here on the next round.

problem is the prizes are too small since we don't get many picking for free shot at sidehack compac and 2 ltc.
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1130
Bitcoin FTW!
On another note Bitmain seems to have launched the D3 X11 miner (15GH/1200W) selling for $2600 and shipping in September. Perhaps you could get another X11 miner for a decent price if you wanted to Smiley profitability calculators show this thing making almost $100k a year but it will likely crash with iBeLink also releasing their DM11G.
legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 8950
'The right to privacy matters'
oh man leo, I need one of those for every one of my rigs.

you sold it to me 4 or 5 months ago!

they turned out okay

running it with other miners  it makes 10-15 cents a day
hero member
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oh man leo, I need one of those for every one of my rigs.
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1130
Bitcoin FTW!
I recall buying one of the PinIdea USB miners for about fifty bucks this year and then forgetting about it and eventually losing it. They sure are quiet and reliable, and the only X11 machines I ever got at a decent price. Perhaps I'll find it this week  Grin
legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 8950
'The right to privacy matters'

I have a tiny little x-11 miner with 5mh  that uses 12 watts or so


 Pinaldea (sp?) USB-based thing where the fan is about as big as the actual miner?




yeah  shaped like a cube  makes money I mine it  next to the compac sticks  and I mine cpu mining  for hodl or cryptonight along with 1 gpu for zcash.

The rig has 4 separate  things going  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1030

I have a tiny little x-11 miner with 5mh  that uses 12 watts or so


 Pinaldea (sp?) USB-based thing where the fan is about as big as the actual miner?


legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 8950
'The right to privacy matters'
A few hours later, on price.bitcoin.com: $1880.

Pretty much a straight line down from $2600 on July 5th. (excluding small and brief  "rallies").


I am happy I sold four for 9550

 I'm happy I moved almost everything off Nicehash - though only had a couple old low-level rigs and my Scrypt stuff pointed there.

 Litecoin is doing quite well compared to Bitcoin the last couple weeks, still only down 20% more or less on $ terms from it's peak 3ish weeks back and seems inclined to climb to a higher level vs. Bitcoin than it's seen in years.



right now my mining has been reduced  I sold a lot of gear.

I now have 56th for BTC  down from 70th
I have  4-5k sol for ZEC  down from 13k sol
I have 150 mh for  Nist5
I have a tiny little x-11 miner with 5mh  that uses 12 watts or so


I am holding a lot of cash  more then anything else.

If everything crashes I can buy cheap gpus or avalon 741's or cheap btc.

If everything rallies  I can earn with the gear I have.
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1030
A few hours later, on price.bitcoin.com: $1880.

Pretty much a straight line down from $2600 on July 5th. (excluding small and brief  "rallies").


I am happy I sold four for 9550

 I'm happy I moved almost everything off Nicehash - though only had a couple old low-level rigs and my Scrypt stuff pointed there.

 Litecoin is doing quite well compared to Bitcoin the last couple weeks, still only down 20% more or less on $ terms from it's peak 3ish weeks back and seems inclined to climb to a higher level vs. Bitcoin than it's seen in years.

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