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Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 07, 2016, 01:48:02 PM

DirectBet, could you please post proof that ragernation is made both bets? I took a look at both transactions and the addresses associated. The double spent one double spends it to BTC-e, which could be used to mix the coins for the second bet, but I didn't find any solid evidence. There were inputs that came from inputs from NitrogenSports for the 9 BTC bet, which could indicate more coin mixing, and ones that came from an exchange/Xapo, but I failed to find a solid link between the two.

Unrelated to the ragernation matter: Thanks for refunding my bets that I made in error because I was confused. No other bitcoin books do that, so I'm glad I made this mistake at directbet. (0.8BTC refunded)

Since they have never emailed me and only sent 1 PM in over a week, it is clear what their intentions are. Direcbet is a group of thieves. They just try to hide and bury the fact with their shitty promo posts.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 07, 2016, 01:10:45 PM

They are accusing you of freerolling them in this bet: https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn
By double spending the wager and cancelling it once you realized it would likely lose.
(notice the transaction id doesn't exist. that usually indicates it was pruned from the network bc the balance was spent in a different tx)
https://i.gyazo.com/4e189c3a0cd95702102e4370f8fa08ae.png

They stole your 9BTC wager because they think you stole 15BTC from them.

DB,

This is not the way to handle the situation.

Stop acting like Betcoin.

Anyone can go to blockchain.info/doublespend and pick a transaction and say "look see they are the same!" after the fact.

Looking back through theses posts alot of users have to post to have their coin returned. Its like they stalk their prey.

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DirectBet, could you please post proof that ragernation is made both bets? I took a look at both transactions and the addresses associated. The double spent one double spends it to BTC-e, which could be used to mix the coins for the second bet, but I didn't find any solid evidence. There were inputs that came from inputs from NitrogenSports for the 9 BTC bet, which could indicate more coin mixing, and ones that came from an exchange/Xapo, but I failed to find a solid link between the two.

Unrelated to the ragernation matter: Thanks for refunding my bets that I made in error because I was confused. No other bitcoin books do that, so I'm glad I made this mistake at directbet. (0.8BTC refunded)

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Quote from: rangernation on July 06, 2016, 02:54:09 PM

Quote from: DarkDays on July 06, 2016, 02:40:48 PM

Quote from: robinH on July 06, 2016, 11:32:14 AM

There was no bet, as it was rejected by directbet.eu. The result is inconsequential. Because directbet.eu wouldn't have made a payout even if it won.

Actually, the result is consequential. Since the bet lost, he has no reason to request a refund. Because the bet lost. Had the bet won, he would (likely) be correct in demanding the bet+profit.

Here's an example. You and I make a friendly $20 wager on a game. I'm pretty sure that if you lose you aren't going to pay me, so I steal $20 from your wallet just in case. If you lose the bet, you can't ask for your money back because you were planning on scumming me. Honor among thieves and all that.

Although obviously everyone agrees that DB needs to stop allowing these zero confirm bets. It's only going to be bad for them, never good.

@twitchy, I was just saying ive posted here numerous times waiting for directbet to see the bump to return. They literally haven't responded to a single email, pm, or forum post. Crazy.

I dont think you know how it works or what happened. Lol.

I have posted here numerous times and they just post spam .000001 btc promos.

I sent btc, and their page said bet rejected and coin would be returned after 1 confirmation. So the bet wasn't Live. Or thats how I interpretted their site. Now hundreds of confimrations later they didnt return or message.

I have no idea what their deal is, but ignoring players and holding their coin for long periods of time is not the key to success

They are accusing you of freerolling them in this bet: https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn
By double spending the wager and cancelling it once you realized it would likely lose.
(notice the transaction id doesn't exist. that usually indicates it was pruned from the network bc the balance was spent in a different tx)

They stole your 9BTC wager because they think you stole 15BTC from them.

DB,

This is not the way to handle the situation.

Stop acting like Betcoin.

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Quote from: DirectBet on July 07, 2016, 11:10:56 AM

We added a few bets on the World Series of Poker :

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How about you send back my coin that you have held for a week now instead of burry it with this trash?

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Quote from: DarkDays on July 06, 2016, 02:40:48 PM

Quote from: robinH on July 06, 2016, 11:32:14 AM

There was no bet, as it was rejected by directbet.eu. The result is inconsequential. Because directbet.eu wouldn't have made a payout even if it won.

Actually, the result is consequential. Since the bet lost, he has no reason to request a refund. Because the bet lost. Had the bet won, he would (likely) be correct in demanding the bet+profit.

Here's an example. You and I make a friendly $20 wager on a game. I'm pretty sure that if you lose you aren't going to pay me, so I steal $20 from your wallet just in case. If you lose the bet, you can't ask for your money back because you were planning on scumming me. Honor among thieves and all that.

Although obviously everyone agrees that DB needs to stop allowing these zero confirm bets. It's only going to be bad for them, never good.

@twitchy, I was just saying ive posted here numerous times waiting for directbet to see the bump to return. They literally haven't responded to a single email, pm, or forum post. Crazy.

I dont think you know how it works or what happened. Lol.

I have posted here numerous times and they just post spam .000001 btc promos.

I sent btc, and their page said bet rejected and coin would be returned after 1 confirmation. So the bet wasn't Live. Or thats how I interpretted their site. Now hundreds of confimrations later they didnt return or message.

I have no idea what their deal is, but ignoring players and holding their coin for long periods of time is not the key to success

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Quote from: robinH on July 06, 2016, 11:32:14 AM

There was no bet, as it was rejected by directbet.eu. The result is inconsequential. Because directbet.eu wouldn't have made a payout even if it won.

Actually, the result is consequential. Since the bet lost, he has no reason to request a refund. Because the bet lost. Had the bet won, he would (likely) be correct in demanding the bet+profit.

Here's an example. You and I make a friendly $20 wager on a game. I'm pretty sure that if you lose you aren't going to pay me, so I steal $20 from your wallet just in case. If you lose the bet, you can't ask for your money back because you were planning on scumming me. Honor among thieves and all that.

Although obviously everyone agrees that DB needs to stop allowing these zero confirm bets. It's only going to be bad for them, never good.

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There was no bet, as it was rejected by directbet.eu. The result is inconsequential. Because directbet.eu wouldn't have made a payout even if it won.

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Quote from: robinH on July 06, 2016, 06:18:32 AM

Quote from: DarkDays on July 05, 2016, 09:10:19 PM

Quote from: rangernation on July 05, 2016, 04:52:59 PM

Yes. They sent one message in 7 days.

"Hi hungerstyle / rangernation,

According to our records the previous bet that you placed remains unpaid since it was double spent :

https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn

https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation1.png
https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation2.png
https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation3.png

The stake of your new rejected bet # 1J48n6KMDKutNcb68ywoHgfrZVkD28Vrfk was used to cover for the unpaid bet above."

Idk what transaction that is. They just ignore and post that bs post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc) , if that is what they are claiming. There suport simply doesnt exist. Anyone can troll the blockchain and insert into their database. Text on an html page is meaningless. I sent them btc, they did not return it. That is the definition of scamming.

The support is dismal and their actions reflect how their site is run. I can see from previous posts why people have negative experiences with this site.

I'm not following. Spain lost that game 0-2. What's the complaint?

This is how I understand it.....

directbet.eu rejected a bet because of low fees, then confisticated the wager instead of refunding it. Bet details:
https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1J48n6KMDKutNcb68ywoHgfrZVkD28Vrfk

They are claiming ragernation is responsible for a successful double spend bet on their platform. Bet details; https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn

So they are keeping the wager from the rejected bet as part payment for the double-spend bet.

ragernation is denying any knowledge of the double-spend bet. And is demanding a refund from directbet.eu and rightly so, if he/she has nothing to do with the double spend bet in question.

directbet.eu are also claiming that ragernation and hungerstyle are one and the same. An accusation ragernation vehemently denies, albeit incoherently.

If directbet.eu has sufficient proof that hungerstyle and ragernation is the same person, and is responsible for the double-spend. Then they are within their rights to keep the funds. Otherwise they should refund ragernation immediately.

I hate to say I told you so directbet.eu, but this will keep happening until you fix your exploitable book.

Ok so here's the confusing part. Both of those bets lost. Just as DirectBet wasn't in the right for keeping someone's bet when it won, the user isn't in the right for trying to get a refund on a lost bet.

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Quote from: Daneric on July 06, 2016, 06:37:59 AM

I was planning to place my Euro 2016 bets on Directbet but going through this thread has send a chilling effect on my spinal cord. Is it safe to bet with directbet using bitcoins? Anyone who has a success story with them can enlighten me on this

Nearly $5000 of Ethereum paid out in one bet.

Ive not been betting with them long but I'm happy - I've won a few 4 figure bets and they paid out okay. I've opened a ticket with a bet query as I didn't understand the bet terms... they replied back speedily and I passed on the bet once i knew what it actually was. Couple of other support tickets because of my own error (i put a space after the payout address so it didn't go automatically). Again no problems, sorted and paid out.

I wouldn't place any bets on an anonymous bookmakers that would take months to win... but relatively little risk in placing bets on sporting events taking place that way. Its not going to make sense for them to rip you for a few thousand $ is it. The only people I can see complaining are accounts with a stink of scamming and double spending.

Has there been a single instance of someone saying there is something dodgy going on, that appears to be completely clean themselves? I don't see any. They seem like an honest book to me, and I am putting my money where my mouth is. https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=0x79b8292b62068c33c78648778bda19a16f508a3f

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Is it safe to bet with directbet using bitcoins?

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I was planning to place my Euro 2016 bets on Directbet but going through this thread has send a chilling effect on my spinal cord. Is it safe to bet with directbet using bitcoins? Anyone who has a success story with them can enlighten me on this

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Quote from: DarkDays on July 05, 2016, 09:10:19 PM

Quote from: rangernation on July 05, 2016, 04:52:59 PM

Yes. They sent one message in 7 days.

"Hi hungerstyle / rangernation,

According to our records the previous bet that you placed remains unpaid since it was double spent :

https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn

https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation1.png
https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation2.png
https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation3.png

The stake of your new rejected bet # 1J48n6KMDKutNcb68ywoHgfrZVkD28Vrfk was used to cover for the unpaid bet above."

Idk what transaction that is. They just ignore and post that bs post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc) , if that is what they are claiming. There suport simply doesnt exist. Anyone can troll the blockchain and insert into their database. Text on an html page is meaningless. I sent them btc, they did not return it. That is the definition of scamming.

The support is dismal and their actions reflect how their site is run. I can see from previous posts why people have negative experiences with this site.

I'm not following. Spain lost that game 0-2. What's the complaint?

This is how I understand it.....

directbet.eu rejected a bet because of low fees, then confisticated the wager instead of refunding it. Bet details:
https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1J48n6KMDKutNcb68ywoHgfrZVkD28Vrfk

They are claiming ragernation is responsible for a successful double spend bet on their platform. Bet details; https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn

So they are keeping the wager from the rejected bet as part payment for the double-spend bet.

ragernation is denying any knowledge of the double-spend bet. And is demanding a refund from directbet.eu and rightly so, if he/she has nothing to do with the double spend bet in question.

directbet.eu are also claiming that ragernation and hungerstyle are one and the same. An accusation ragernation vehemently denies, albeit incoherently.

If directbet.eu has sufficient proof that hungerstyle and ragernation is the same person, and is responsible for the double-spend. Then they are within their rights to keep the funds. Otherwise they should refund ragernation immediately.

I hate to say I told you so directbet.eu, but this will keep happening until you fix your exploitable book.

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Why have not these bets settled?

Hi 98789,

Thanks for betting at DirectBet.

Your bets have been settled and paid out by now.

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Quote from: rangernation on July 05, 2016, 04:52:59 PM

Yes. They sent one message in 7 days.

"Hi hungerstyle / rangernation,

According to our records the previous bet that you placed remains unpaid since it was double spent :

https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn

https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation1.png
https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation2.png
https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation3.png

The stake of your new rejected bet # 1J48n6KMDKutNcb68ywoHgfrZVkD28Vrfk was used to cover for the unpaid bet above."

Idk what transaction that is. They just ignore and post that bs post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc) , if that is what they are claiming. There suport simply doesnt exist. Anyone can troll the blockchain and insert into their database. Text on an html page is meaningless. I sent them btc, they did not return it. That is the definition of scamming.

The support is dismal and their actions reflect how their site is run. I can see from previous posts why people have negative experiences with this site.

I'm not following. Spain lost that game 0-2. What's the complaint?

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Quote from: rangernation on July 05, 2016, 04:52:59 PM

Yes. They sent one message in 7 days.

"Hi hungerstyle / rangernation,

According to our records the previous bet that you placed remains unpaid since it was double spent :

https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn

https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation1.png
https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation2.png
https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation3.png

The stake of your new rejected bet # 1J48n6KMDKutNcb68ywoHgfrZVkD28Vrfk was used to cover for the unpaid bet above."

Idk what transaction that is. They just ignore and post that bs post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc) , if that is what they are claiming. There suport simply doesnt exist. Anyone can troll the blockchain and insert into their database. Text on an html page is meaningless. I sent them btc, they did not return it. That is the definition of scamming.

The support is dismal and their actions reflect how their site is run. I can see from previous posts why people have negative experiences with this site.

I really don't think this is hungarstyle. Really weird/bad way approach to try and get your money back...

Any normal (innocent) person would be making it clear that someone else was respponsible for the 15btc double spend.

Instead this is his entire relevant argument :

Quote

Idk what transaction that is.

Followed by a bunch of irellevant bullshit:

Quote

They just ignore and post that bs post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc) , if that is what they are claiming. There suport simply doesnt exist. Anyone can troll the blockchain and insert into their database. Text on an html page is meaningless. I sent them btc, they did not return it. That is the definition of scamming.

The support is dismal and their actions reflect how their site is run. I can see from previous posts why people have negative experiences with this site.

Maybe ranger is just angling for a little bonus and I'm assuming wrong that he thinks we all think he's innocent?

With all that in mind, here you are in the same situation DB.
You need to change something, or this is going to keep happening.
Anytime a site flatout ignores a player, (unless it's obvious without any context needed) its bad for all of us.

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Yes. They sent one message in 7 days.

"Hi hungerstyle / rangernation,

According to our records the previous bet that you placed remains unpaid since it was double spent :

https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn

https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation1.png
https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation2.png
https://directbet.eu/Download/rangernation3.png

The stake of your new rejected bet # 1J48n6KMDKutNcb68ywoHgfrZVkD28Vrfk was used to cover for the unpaid bet above."

Idk what transaction that is. They just ignore and post that bs post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc) , if that is what they are claiming. There suport simply doesnt exist. Anyone can troll the blockchain and insert into their database. Text on an html page is meaningless. I sent them btc, they did not return it. That is the definition of scamming.

The support is dismal and their actions reflect how their site is run. I can see from previous posts why people have negative experiences with this site.

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Quote from: rangernation on July 05, 2016, 03:09:19 PM

I sent directbet a bet last week for 9.049

Directbet did not return my bet and has since ignored PM, email, and any acknowledgement in this thread.

I see your frustration in their slow support negative overall experience.

Do your homework before using this book.

Why not just tell the whole story instead of playing games?

Or are you going to play the "I didn't see the note on bet and they didn't explain it in email after asking me to contact them " card?

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