Pages:
Author

Topic: DireWolf14 : Trust exaggeration - page 2. (Read 840 times)

legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
October 07, 2019, 02:22:54 PM
#33
I apologise I should've stated immediately I AM OUT. I did not foresee that not saying that would lead to this.

The "I AM OUT" thing is your own straw man. I don't think anybody expected you to say those exact words, or say anything at all. The point is that at the time you continued to engage the trust-farming newbie in ways that could help him farm trust and you didn't express any concern about trust farming, but now you're trying to rewrite history.

Every time you get caught up in some questionable shit your only concern seems to be your own trust score and not the shady dealings that lead to it. You need to start realizing that you can't fix this without rethinking your involvement in ludicrous $12 "deals" like this.
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1049
┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴
October 07, 2019, 02:10:39 PM
#32

I contacted him privately and told him I would not anymore - which is why he posted the dead end post. Please people.. Let's take a breath and step back for a minute shall we.

THIS IS WHY I BACKED OUT. How can no one see this? There was no resolve time here - it was straight to negative trust placement.

Posts quoted in chronological order.

DadyD admits it the first time:
I'm trying to get some loan to incrase my trust

DadyD admits it for the second and third time:
The only shady think is that i mention I do this think to get trust.
I have 0 trust and merit, i just want to build some

After he admits it three times, you give him additional instructions:
@DadyD best option is to buy an altcoin (I say ETH because of the potential BTC-pair to increase in the coming months..), and then use that (roughly 0.08ETH I think) to secure BTC for you to use.

And then you continue to offer to escrow for him:
Anyway, marlboroza, I can send it to you no problem at DadyD's command.

You had ample time to back out and yet continued to offer to help him secure this frivolous loan.

I'm trying to make it clear I didn't aid and abet possible trust abuse.. Suchmoon please don't accuse me of just trying to weasel out.

Sending the escrow funds to marlboroza does not mean continuing to help - it means sending it to the person that asked for it, so the loan is done between the 2 parties without me involved anymore I was tired of the constant questioning of DadyD.

Best option for COLLATERAL. Do you really think I meant "oh, listen best option to abuse trust and get some on your profile so you can loan huge amounts is to do a), b), c)"...

I apologise I should've stated immediately I AM OUT. I did not foresee that not saying that would lead to this.



especially with newbies who are usually lost around here
Oh, only if "they" are newbies  Roll Eyes
He would have not placed anything had Direwolf left the original negative.. That's also a part of my point..
I was dropped as a child so you have to forgive me for being "slow".

Actually, I wouldn't have placed anything if that feedback has been left as it was because it perfectly suits your profile - "helping "newbie" " to farm trust. Don't you worry about me, you will see my moral side when I get that loan back, but just wait for it.

Yes he said he wanted to establish TRUST.
And you don't see any issue with someone taking a loan for the sole purpose of building trust.
THIS IS WHY I BACKED OUT. How can no one see this? There was no resolve time here - it was straight to negative trust placement.
You are lying. I don't know in what twisted reality do you live but after I asked first time "do we have a deal" you said:

Anyway, marlboroza, I can send it to you no problem at DadyD's command.

And after that you didn't back out, "you have been told" to send funds back:
@ marcotheminer please return my funds, its a dead end here.

But just keep that threads and negative coming, I am sure you will find supporters.

You asked if you could receive it - I said yes. Not that I would escrow for you. Sending you the funds from DadyD once he approved would mean I had NOTHING left (obligation, commitment, anything) in the deal.

Yes .. DadyD is not me lol if you're still on that as a point you're lost mate.

==

About the "being told to return funds" part you mentionned please see post above this one..
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
October 07, 2019, 02:08:03 PM
#31
especially with newbies who are usually lost around here
Oh, only if "they" are newbies  Roll Eyes
He would have not placed anything had Direwolf left the original negative.. That's also a part of my point..
I was dropped as a child so you have to forgive me for being "slow".

Actually, I wouldn't have placed anything if that feedback has been left as it was because it perfectly suits your profile - "helping "newbie" " to farm trust. Don't you worry about me, you will see my moral side when I get that loan back, but just wait for it.

Yes he said he wanted to establish TRUST.
And you don't see any issue with someone taking a loan for the sole purpose of building trust.
THIS IS WHY I BACKED OUT. How can no one see this? There was no resolve time here - it was straight to negative trust placement.
You are lying. I don't know in what twisted reality do you live but after I asked first time "do we have a deal" you said:

Anyway, marlboroza, I can send it to you no problem at DadyD's command.

And after that you didn't back out, "you have been told" to send funds back:
@ marcotheminer please return my funds, its a dead end here.

But just keep that threads and negative coming, I am sure you will find supporters.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
October 07, 2019, 01:59:30 PM
#30
THIS IS WHY I BACKED OUT. How can no one see this? There was no resolve time here - it was straight to negative trust placement.

No one can see it because it didn't happen. You didn't "back out". You offered an LTC loan:

I will be able to loan you only next week, BTC or LTC as you needed earlier when we spoke.

Then newbie asked you to return the funds:

@ marcotheminer please return my funds, its a dead end here.

You obliged:

Funds returned, I am no longer able to cover any loan funds.

I can't see anything about you backing out or any concern on your part regarding newbie's trust farming.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18748
October 07, 2019, 01:57:38 PM
#29
THIS IS WHY I BACKED OUT. How can no one see this? There was no resolve time here - it was straight to negative trust placement.

Posts quoted in chronological order.

DadyD admits it the first time:
I'm trying to get some loan to incrase my trust

DadyD admits it for the second and third time:
The only shady think is that i mention I do this think to get trust.
I have 0 trust and merit, i just want to build some

After he admits it three times, you give him additional instructions:
@DadyD best option is to buy an altcoin (I say ETH because of the potential BTC-pair to increase in the coming months..), and then use that (roughly 0.08ETH I think) to secure BTC for you to use.

And then you continue to offer to escrow for him:
Anyway, marlboroza, I can send it to you no problem at DadyD's command.

You had ample time to back out and yet continued to offer to help him secure this frivolous loan.
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1049
┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴
October 07, 2019, 01:51:39 PM
#28
Yes he said he wanted to establish TRUST.
And you don't see any issue with someone taking a loan for the sole purpose of building trust.

THIS IS WHY I BACKED OUT. How can no one see this? There was no resolve time here - it was straight to negative trust placement.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18748
October 07, 2019, 01:49:43 PM
#27
Yes he said he wanted to establish TRUST.
And you don't see any issue with someone taking a loan for the sole purpose of building trust?

I was an escrow for him before that came to light / was interpreted as it is (yes I agree with you don't worry..).
And then after he admitted it three times, you continued to try to help him to take out a loan he didn't need.
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1049
┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴
October 07, 2019, 01:48:41 PM
#26
He needs to use ETH if he wants a loan, that's what I said.

He wants trust feedback, the loan is just means to an end, he said it like 3 times in that thread, and you're the only one who's still playing dumb about this whole situation. Give it up.

Yes he said he wanted to establish TRUST. Correct suchmoon, I was an escrow for him before that came to light / was interpreted as it is (yes I agree with you don't worry..). I don't get the benefit of any doubt here? A huge "come on....". That's the problem. Not what he's asking for/tried to do/etc. That 3 people (I'm assuming you agree with Dire, Marl) took it on me that the borrower wanted trust.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
October 07, 2019, 01:46:17 PM
#25
He needs to use ETH if he wants a loan, that's what I said.

He wants trust feedback, the loan is just means to an end, he said it like 3 times in that thread, and you're the only one who's still playing dumb about this whole situation. Give it up.
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1049
┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴
October 07, 2019, 01:37:26 PM
#24
I didn't know that was his intention..? I got caught up in a $20 loan - afterwards I told him I would not continue to help out. Is that not clear enough that I would not help someone farm trust?

Newbie admitted he's farming trust. Then you explained to him that he needs to use ETH to work around the concerns of other users in the thread. Again, you're just looking for loopholes, excuses, anything to game the system.

He needs to use ETH if he wants a loan, that's what I said. I do not involve myself in the thing of trust - anyway it would've been clear after that no one would add trust for the sake of adding trust to his account..

Game what system..? I'm literally trying to explain that I was not involved in anyway in with what DadyD wanted to do (or he posted saying he wanted to do)...

By the way keep in mind there is a BIG language barrier with DadyD, I've reread what he posted and by saying "get some trust" I think he meant to convey he was looking to establish himself as someone who does as agreed upon (of course the risk is always there, anyone can be a scammer, etc) in this case he had collateral. Anyway I am not justifying his actions, I replied (the "convert BTC to ETH" reply) to explain how it usually works with collateral.. Not how to fucking farm trust - anyone can figure that out without me publicly posting how to do it.. I don't give pointers on that stuff, full stop.

Regardless, seems DadyD really didn't know about the vultures here and how mentioning trust and get close by would lead to this. Oh well - things happen as they should.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
October 07, 2019, 01:34:15 PM
#23
I didn't know that was his intention..? I got caught up in a $20 loan - afterwards I told him I would not continue to help out. Is that not clear enough that I would not help someone farm trust?

Newbie admitted he's farming trust. Then you explained to him that he needs to use ETH to work around the concerns of other users in the thread. Again, you're just looking for loopholes, excuses, anything to game the system.
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1049
┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴
October 07, 2019, 01:29:51 PM
#22
Ok suchmoon, thanks for the reply but that's not the case - please don't turn this into a me vs them situation again.. I think it's an expected kind of "lash out" (again strange choice of words but OK), just because the original member changes to neutral - a new one steps in for a negative? He would have not placed anything had Direwolf left the original negative.. That's also a part of my point..

Repeatedly? I literally took escrow funds worth MORE than the loan he was looking for. Truly was supposed to be a simple thing, I am escrow not the lender/borrower.

You're muddying the waters with this escrow thing. Your trust rating is for helping a newbie to farm trust. Now you're arguing technicalities, and yes, lashing out at marlboroza. That's not how you earn trust.

I was the escrow./

On the accusation of trust farming aiding and abetting: I didn't know that was his intention..? I got caught up in a $20 loan - once he mentionned he was looking for trust that's where I knew people would come after me ... - afterwards I told him I would not continue to help out. Is that not clear enough that I would not help someone farm trust?
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
October 07, 2019, 01:28:51 PM
#21
Ok suchmoon, thanks for the reply but that's not the case - please don't turn this into a me vs them situation again.. I think it's an expected kind of "lash out" (again strange choice of words but OK), just because the original member changes to neutral - a new one steps in for a negative? He would have not placed anything had Direwolf left the original negative.. That's also a part of my point..

Repeatedly? I literally took escrow funds worth MORE than the loan he was looking for. Truly was supposed to be a simple thing, I am escrow not the lender/borrower.

You're muddying the waters with this escrow thing. Your trust rating is for helping a newbie to farm trust. Now you're arguing technicalities, and yes, lashing out at marlboroza. That's not how you earn trust.
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1049
┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴
October 07, 2019, 01:23:45 PM
#20
~

Looks like you're still thinking that you're right and everyone else is wrong. You can't fix your reputation by repeatedly getting yourself into shady shit and lashing out at people who point this out to you.

Ok suchmoon, thanks for the reply but that's not the case - please don't turn this into a me vs them situation again.. I think it's an expected kind of "lash out" (again strange choice of words but OK), just because the original member changes to neutral - a new one steps in for a negative? He would have not placed anything had Direwolf left the original negative.. That's also a part of my point..

Repeatedly? I literally took escrow funds worth MORE than the loan he was looking for. Truly was supposed to be a simple thing, I am escrow not the lender/borrower.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
October 07, 2019, 01:19:08 PM
#19
~

Looks like you're still thinking that you're right and everyone else is wrong. You can't fix your reputation by repeatedly getting yourself into shady shit and lashing out at people who point this out to you.
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1049
┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴
October 07, 2019, 12:56:58 PM
#18
Thank you Direwolf, that's better than nothing at least.

Ah but of course! We must have one of the forum's self-appointed officers stepping in - neutral CANNOT happen people! "We all know what happened here" marlboroza - were you dropped as a child..? I'll remove that, a bit uncalled for. Anyway: the blind leading the blind and both taking pride in being led/leading as such! Big thanks mate, very useful .. Wink You made your "I don't trust you" position clear when you copied someone else's trust earlier this year.

Oh and helping him get a loan? Yeah that's called helping out clarifying what others might have missed - try it for once - especially with newbies who are usually lost around here .. this forum would be much much more enjoyable, maybe we'd even grow as a community.

Quote
Person holding someone's 0.002BTC and at the same time not providing them 0.0015BTC with repayment of 0.0018BTC after they previously provided them 0.0015BTC no-collateral loan speaks for itself.

Pls.. Enlighten us, I was asked to hold it for him - I wasn't going to loan again, do you get the concept of 'once and then onto better things'? BTC was used for other purposes. Imagine the spongebob meme here > OPPORTUNITY COST.

[img ]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/428/637738.jpg[/img]
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
October 07, 2019, 09:49:46 AM
#17
We all know what happened here so I won't pretend and I will copy/paste your neutral and turn it into negative.

As far as I am concerned, I don't trust marcotheminer, I don't trust any newbie account who makes deal with him and I don't trust any newbie account who uses him as an escrow.

Person holding someone's 0.002BTC and at the same time not providing them 0.0015BTC with repayment of 0.0018BTC after they previously provided them 0.0015BTC no-collateral loan speaks for itself.

Neither am I helping them get a loan
That is not true either, with all things said in this thread, you indeed tried to help "them" to get loan https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52659481
copper member
Activity: 2338
Merit: 4543
Join the world-leading crypto sportsbook NOW!
October 07, 2019, 09:38:29 AM
#16
@Direwolf14 will you be leaving the negative trust?

I've changed it to neutral, that's as far as I'm willing to go. 

On it's own your post may sound like it's about collateral, but the context in which you posted it's obviously meant to coach the newbie on how to get a loan without leading to the suspicions that I raised earlier:

@DadyD you have 0.0017 BTC already, which you want to use as collateral to borrow 0.0015 BTC?  Why?

The newbie's answer; to farm trusted reviews.  It's all there in black and white and just in case it all goes away, here's the archive: https://archive.fo/L5p39

legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1049
┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴
October 07, 2019, 01:09:57 AM
#15
@Direwolf14 will you be leaving the negative trust?
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1049
┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴
October 06, 2019, 01:03:43 PM
#14
I am holding his BTC - I gave him 1 micro loan myself.
Nowadays I am too much busy on my offline task. I told you your behaviour seems to me that you are the alter of that so-called newbie account. When I started my lending busienss there were few people who gave loan even tips to a newbie account and got trust after few days they tried to begging loan without collateral and they were also a newbie so they got negative trust and finally left the forum or using alter account. And I think you are doing the same. You were a professional lender so you know who you can give the fund and whom you not. Can you show a sample where you fund to a newbie while you were a professional lender? Hopefully, think you can't because you know very well.

Before few months a negatively trusted user took only 1$ to transfer his altcoin which value was more than 1000$ but the borrower didn't return that 1$ only. And a newbie who has not created any helpful post for the forum asked non-collateral loan and you gave, is it trustworthy? If you did so, why you are bothering other threads while the so-called newbie asking loan either on his/her new topic or others topic. I cant understand.
@marcotheminer sorry I have not replied your pm as I am not going to prove who is that so-called newbie and who are you.

Yes there are several occasions when I lent to newbies, Photobook was the most recent (another account people thought was my alt after the loan was successful lol). I lent this time because he provided the collateral, even without I would've done it because it was roughly $12 - I was OK with no-collateral risk for that.
Pages:
Jump to: