It's the confidence that bitcoin users have in the perception of the bitcoin protocol as it currently exists which gives bitcoin its value.
It's the confidence that bitcoin users have in the perception of the bitcoin protocol as a trustless system which gives bitcoin its value.
It's the confidence that bitcoin users have in the perception of the bitcoin protocol as a decentralized system which gives bitcoin its value.
No doubt Mike Hearn is a smart guy, but his technological arrogance is such that he's playing with fire by desiring to change the core principles as established by Satoshi, the very principles that have caused bitcoin to be the success it is today.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you, Mike. Bitcoin has value precisely because it is not what you want it to be.
Overall, if Mike Hearn feels so strongly about his ideas, then he should create his own altcoin/payment system distinct from bitcoin.
But that's unlikely, for I assume Mike Hearn et al are pursuing such dangerous ideas based upon potential personal profit.
Topic: "Dirty Deals in Smoke-Filled Rooms" J. Ranvier discusses a Mike Hearn proposal - page 4. (Read 3697 times)
April 24, 2014, 06:52:40 PM
April 24, 2014, 06:17:00 PM
"If this proposal sounds problematic to you, that's because it is. As several other individuals in the thread pointed out, this fundamentally changes the nature of the Bitcoin network and adds a mechanism via which other changes the Bitcoin users do not want (blacklists) can be secretly added at any time in the future."
That would harm BTC and give new life to dozens of competing alt coins.
That would harm BTC and give new life to dozens of competing alt coins.
April 24, 2014, 06:05:58 PM
Uff. Too long, didn't read beyond 20%.
Yeah, Mike Hearn is one of the more ambivalent players here. I love most of what he does and usually defend him but what I'm most concerned about is that on the one hand he promoted micro payment channels (transaction channels) and now whines about zero conf payments not being safe. Damn, get transaction channels out and we win soooo much more than we could ever win by messing with the protocol as suggested here. Damn.
Yeah, Mike Hearn is one of the more ambivalent players here. I love most of what he does and usually defend him but what I'm most concerned about is that on the one hand he promoted micro payment channels (transaction channels) and now whines about zero conf payments not being safe. Damn, get transaction channels out and we win soooo much more than we could ever win by messing with the protocol as suggested here. Damn.
April 24, 2014, 05:03:40 PM
April 24, 2014, 04:29:11 PM
Sources?
April 24, 2014, 03:47:44 PM
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In summary, a service has launched that allows dishonest users attempt to defraud merchants, and now Mike Hearn is proposing as a solution that we change the Bitcoin protocol to allow a majority of miners to vote on the blockchain to confiscate the newly-minted coins of any other miner.
If this proposal sounds problematic to you, that's because it is. As several other individuals in the thread pointed out, this fundamentally changes the nature of the Bitcoin network and adds a mechanism via which other changes the Bitcoin users do not want (blacklists) can be secretly added at any time in the future.
If this proposal sounds problematic to you, that's because it is. As several other individuals in the thread pointed out, this fundamentally changes the nature of the Bitcoin network and adds a mechanism via which other changes the Bitcoin users do not want (blacklists) can be secretly added at any time in the future.
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Why are fundamental changes to the Bitcoin protocol, with wide-ranging implications relevant to all Bitcoin users, being discussed in relatively obscure corners of the Internet?
It may be the case that email lists are where programmers feel most comfortable "talking shop", but it also remains the case that Bitcoin doesn't belong to them.
Bitcoin belongs to everyone who uses it. No amount of code contributions will ever give some set of "core developers" the right to impose their decisions on the rest of the network. In fact, the degree to which they recognize that fact is the exact degree to which they will remain relevant to the future. Bitcoin users have a choice of software implementations these days, and implementations which attempt to rule the network instead of serve it will be dropped.
Individuals wishing to propose existential changes to the network should have that discussion in the public sphere, where the users are, so that those users have the best information possible regarding which implementations they should trust.
Core developers are not philosopher-kings who rule the network by imposing their judgement on the hoi polli, and they shouldn't act like it. (Note that this is not the first time Mike Hearn has floated proposals he knew Bitcoin users wouldn't like as trial balloons in relative obscurity). Once there is consensus among the community, or at least after they are aware of the proposal, then the development mailing list is an appropriate place to discuss how to implement it.
It may be the case that email lists are where programmers feel most comfortable "talking shop", but it also remains the case that Bitcoin doesn't belong to them.
Bitcoin belongs to everyone who uses it. No amount of code contributions will ever give some set of "core developers" the right to impose their decisions on the rest of the network. In fact, the degree to which they recognize that fact is the exact degree to which they will remain relevant to the future. Bitcoin users have a choice of software implementations these days, and implementations which attempt to rule the network instead of serve it will be dropped.
Individuals wishing to propose existential changes to the network should have that discussion in the public sphere, where the users are, so that those users have the best information possible regarding which implementations they should trust.
Core developers are not philosopher-kings who rule the network by imposing their judgement on the hoi polli, and they shouldn't act like it. (Note that this is not the first time Mike Hearn has floated proposals he knew Bitcoin users wouldn't like as trial balloons in relative obscurity). Once there is consensus among the community, or at least after they are aware of the proposal, then the development mailing list is an appropriate place to discuss how to implement it.
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