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sr. member
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July 30, 2012, 10:42:32 AM
#26
What was the reason this was discontinued, just lack of time?
Not really a lack of time at all. There were several unresolveable issues which would mean that the shareholders and myself would be at risk of loss by others taking advantage of these.

It may be possible to 'try again' once the GLBSE market matures. Until then, only restricted (as opposed to composite) ETFs will be safely possible.
hero member
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July 30, 2012, 12:35:20 AM
#25
What was the reason this was discontinued, just lack of time?
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July 28, 2012, 06:27:56 PM
#24
Sent smickles an email earlier today about the shares I purchased /after/ the final dividend was paid out. I am very pleased with the rapid response, and willingness to take care of the issue of purchasing shares that should have been unavailable for purchase (as trading should have been halted after the final dividend payment.

I hope that GLBSE can get this together a little better - these issues should be simpler to handle, so they don't impact the issuer.

It's a shame that you couldn't continue this offering, but I must say, I'm quite pleased with the overall results, and will be highly interested in any of your future offerings.

sr. member
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July 28, 2012, 03:03:28 PM
#23
what happens with my outstanding shares?

Sad

especially the ones purchased today - kind of unstoked there's not any notice on glbse that you're liquidating.
I requested that the asset be removed from GLBSE and apparently it has not yet been removed.

If you purchased your shares before the liquidation you should have received the appropriate portion of the total assets of MOM.GLBSE.COMPOSITE.

Since the liquidation has occurred, the shares of this asset have no backing.
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July 27, 2012, 05:46:55 PM
#22
what happens with my outstanding shares?

Sad

especially the ones purchased today - kind of unstoked there's not any notice on glbse that you're liquidating.
sr. member
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July 26, 2012, 07:58:52 PM
#21
As it is no longer possible to provide this service adequately, I will be discontinuing and liquidating MOM.GLBSE.COMPOSITE.

All held assets will be sold for BTC and all BTC under the control of MOM.GLBSE.COMPOSITE will be distributed to the shareholders.

Ouch, that's going to hurt. Do you want BMF to buy you out? We'll give you a fair value for your assets instead of the market bid you are likely to recieve...
I have actually already liquidated and paid the shareholders via a dividend, total assets were about 10 BTC and market rated didn't hurt hardly at all.
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July 26, 2012, 04:01:06 PM
#20
As it is no longer possible to provide this service adequately, I will be discontinuing and liquidating MOM.GLBSE.COMPOSITE.

All held assets will be sold for BTC and all BTC under the control of MOM.GLBSE.COMPOSITE will be distributed to the shareholders.
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July 06, 2012, 11:51:34 AM
#19
In my continuing effort to present the public with all the information which should be expected from an ETF issuer, the demo page (https://mostofmany.com/etf/1/) has now been updated to include the current actual weights of assets held in addition to the target weights.
sr. member
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July 05, 2012, 03:01:09 PM
#18
I had a moment and, what may be to the pleasure of all, I have flipped the x axis of the index chart to display its data in the traditional direction.
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July 05, 2012, 08:57:41 AM
#17
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Dividends are reinvested in the fund upon receipt. The fund will not pay a dividend to shareholders.

If you reinvest divs, your NAV will soon get out of whack and will not represent the actual movement of the index - unless...
Yes, the NAV will soon get out of whack with an index which doesn't account for reinvest dividends, however the tracked index does accumulate dividends.

My initial version of the website may not have made some things clear. Please be assured that I will improve it shortly (I'm currently finishing up some traveling, so the rate of progress will pick up significantly when I get back home)

On a pleasant side note: The average investor would have seen nothing but benefit from this misunderstanding as the ETF would have become more valuable than they expected Smiley
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July 05, 2012, 08:14:49 AM
#16
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Dividends are reinvested in the fund upon receipt. The fund will not pay a dividend to shareholders.

If you reinvest divs, your NAV will soon get out of whack and will not represent the actual movement of the index - unless...
I've mentioned that. It just means that it is an accumulation index, which actually is better for tracking total returns than a nominal index that ignores dividends.
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July 05, 2012, 07:50:10 AM
#15
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Dividends are reinvested in the fund upon receipt. The fund will not pay a dividend to shareholders.

If you reinvest divs, your NAV will soon get out of whack and will not represent the actual movement of the index - unless...
sr. member
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July 04, 2012, 07:39:02 PM
#14
I uncovered and corrected a slight error in reporting of the net asset value on the website.

Before now, it was reporting based on the erroneous btc holdings using the 'available' btc rather than the actual btc balance. This was causing the website to display the ETF's net assets slightly lower than what they actually were.
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June 27, 2012, 03:10:43 AM
#13
It seems to automatically issue more shares, but the website is out of sync a bit (shows 13 shares issued). Also you use a self signed SSL cert...

If I understand your chart there correctly, you are updating the chart on the left side (so oldest data is on the right, right?) - looks a bit weird to me. I bought 3 shares for 0.07829677, something that's quite close to the "Current Issuer Bid: 0.07673082" on the website - maybe you mixed up bids and asks there?!
yes, I am currently updating the chart on the left side. Soon I will switch form that chart to a chart which includes the reinvested dividends and when I do that I will flip the axis.
legendary
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June 27, 2012, 03:07:23 AM
#12
It seems to automatically issue more shares, but the website is out of sync a bit (shows 13 shares issued). Also you use a self signed SSL cert...

If I understand your chart there correctly, you are updating the chart on the left side (so oldest data is on the right, right?) - looks a bit weird to me. I bought 3 shares for 0.07829677, something that's quite close to the "Current Issuer Bid: 0.07673082" on the website - maybe you mixed up bids and asks there?!
sr. member
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June 27, 2012, 02:58:44 AM
#11
I would prefer if you create something like this that only includes assets within a certain trade volume range ("Startups - 1-1000 BTC", "Rookies - 1000-5000 BTC" ...) or a certaing background (""The finest Pirate selection", we already have a mining fund - but not proportional to all mining operations/bonds, only verified assets, "all but pirate"...)
I plan on setting up other etfs once I get this initial one off the ground and known to be stable. The software I've written is designed to allow me to create an manage multiple etfs based on whatever criteria I desire, so all of your suggestions are (if nothing else) possible.
legendary
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June 27, 2012, 02:53:04 AM
#10
I would prefer if you create something like this that only includes assets within a certain trade volume range ("Startups - 1-1000 BTC", "Rookies - 1000-5000 BTC" ...) or a certaing background (""The finest Pirate selection", we already have a mining fund - but not proportional to all mining operations/bonds, only verified assets, "all but pirate"...)
sr. member
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June 27, 2012, 02:16:19 AM
#9
due to market liquidity issues, I have had to lower the number of ipo shares to 10
sr. member
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June 20, 2012, 10:14:00 AM
#8
You should consider making an actual composite index before the ETF.  SPDRS did not come before the S&P 500.

Some questions.

Will all assets on GLBSE be listed and held based on their market capitalization?

If not all of them, how will they be selected to be included in the ETF?

How will you determine, "Only GLBSE assets with outstanding shares are eligible for inclusion."?  Will you look only at assets that have an ask?  If this is the case, should you instead use an available market capitalization instead of a total market capitalization?

Will you hold bonds?
I made the index first and have told people about it. So far, the only thing anyone has expressed a desire to be published about it has been a list of included tickers.

Nearly all assets on GLBSE will be listed and held according to their market cap relative to each other. Some things are not included because it would misrepresent the status of GLBSE. A good example of this is other ETFs or assets which only hold other GLBSE assets. They cause an 'exaggeration' of the market if they are included in the index.

I requested and received a custom api call from GLBSE which returns the number of outstanding shares. The order book does not affect an assets weight in the index.

The index does list bonds, so the ETF will hold these bonds when appropriate.
As an example of how 'the big boys' do it, this is the methodology of the iShares NYC which tracks the NYSE composite index:
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Methodology. Only common stocks, ADRs, REITs and tracking stocks listed on the NYSE are eligible for inclusion in the
Underlying Index. Multiple classes of shares of the same issuer are eligible to be included in the Underlying Index. Preferred
stocks, closed-end funds, ETFs, trust units, shares of beneficial interest, shares in limited partnerships, and derivative
securities (such as warrants and rights) are not eligible for inclusion in the Underlying Index.
sr. member
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June 20, 2012, 09:55:09 AM
#7
How often will the ETF rebalance to match the index after the addition of new securities or changes in the number outstanding?
I'm afraid I would like to keep this a little vague, motivated by my having competition in the wings.

I have run many tests and simulations and have come to the conclusion that it is not in the best interest of the shareholders to rebalance at regular intervals (for example 4 times a year) as this will either be too often (consider the fees) or too rare (consider tracking error).

The software I have developed for the venture algorithmically determines the best time to rebalance based on a number of inputs which include tracking error, fee in consideration of tracking error, fee in consideration of the expense ratio, the number of shares and the relative amount of BTC held.

If you have further concern about the frequency of rebalancing, please ask again, hopefully with an aim for a specific detail which I am willing to divulge.
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