got 1k altswap ( bought @ 20000 satoshi a pice )
and 14 firemine shares ( bought @ ipo )
filled in survay
mailed them on all mails
no responds @ all
ty for scamming me i gess hope u are happy whit the btc ) u raped a lot of us ( hope u can smile )
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So you are saying that you cant trust CS, because you got your email hacked.
And we cannot receive dividents, because you claim that the site is not safe? You messed up, nobody else.
You also do not control your email? because apparently that email controls more than your CS listings.
How will the dividents be shared?
Why is there NO PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT ON ANY PAGE OF ANY OF YOUR PRODUCTS OR LISTINGS?
Why dont you answer all the questions and not just a part of them?
trade in seems active to me, no?
You are just blackmailing us.
There was an announcement you made, you failed it, now you are manipulating multiple listings to make even more out of it.
In the process you are actively blaiming your failure to others, and you are holding your shareholders' money as ransom.
Since you cant control the CS account, how on earth can you pay us?
Why are you not clear with anything?
I asked all "3" of you, and you gave me three different answers, only because youfuckups(sorry i got emotional there) were asked from different emails.
CounterEdit: You know what is the funniest part with your lame excuses?
The fact that you claim there is a hacker who can bypass the CS login, and has only done this to your projects.
Like as if there are not any better projects there to exploit, just your listings, they were the ones worth of an exploit..
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You already had launched and internally traded digimine, according to its trading history.
Did you accidentally realise that through your listings you also acknowledge the fact that you are the same person running them all, so you deleted them??
And we cannot receive dividents, because you claim that the site is not safe? You messed up, nobody else.
You also do not control your email? because apparently that email controls more than your CS listings.
How will the dividents be shared?
Why is there NO PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT ON ANY PAGE OF ANY OF YOUR PRODUCTS OR LISTINGS?
Why dont you answer all the questions and not just a part of them?
trade in seems active to me, no?
You are just blackmailing us.
There was an announcement you made, you failed it, now you are manipulating multiple listings to make even more out of it.
In the process you are actively blaiming your failure to others, and you are holding your shareholders' money as ransom.
Since you cant control the CS account, how on earth can you pay us?
Why are you not clear with anything?
I asked all "3" of you, and you gave me three different answers, only because you
CounterEdit: You know what is the funniest part with your lame excuses?
The fact that you claim there is a hacker who can bypass the CS login, and has only done this to your projects.
Like as if there are not any better projects there to exploit, just your listings, they were the ones worth of an exploit..
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Edited for artistic clarification
Did you accidentally realise that through your listings you also acknowledge the fact that you are the same person running them all, so you deleted them??
Who is controlling that account on cryptostocks?
How can he take control by exploiting a feature that you say he can, BUT YOU CANNOT DO THE SAME TO REGAIN CONTROL???
The account was compromised through means of a password reset and it is done over and over again. The hacker clearly has more knowledge of Cryptostocks and their security than I do because every time I reset the password and lock the account up, it is hacked again. I've done it from multiple computers, multiple IPs, and multiple areas yet the account is still compromised. Make up your own assumptions on how this is done but I always have control just as much as this person (you saying "he" was really sexist by the way - I thought our world had passed that stage).
What will you do with our shares?
Why is there a trade enabled on your listing to trade your altswap shares for firemine shares? Why would we do that?
The trade is NOT enabled. Once again, if things change from trading disabled to enabled, it is not my doing. I have no reason to continue trading and using their site. So if you are still trading AltSwap on Cryptostocks, it is merely for your own fun I suppose. Your shares have already been downloaded on multiple dates to a spreadsheet. They aren't going anywhere because we still have hard copies of them.
How can you pay us dividents, and how can you prove what we hold?
The point in trading at cryptostocks is the protection of my anonymity.
If i wanted to trade with my social security number, i would act accordingly.
How can you prove that you are a male or a female or that you live in California or New York? It is the internet - nothing can be proven without some degree of doubt. We have downloaded the files on multiple occasions of shareholders and will work with those along with an algorithm (5000x for original shareholders and 1x for post-IPO shareholders) to be sure that everyone is paid fairly. We can't prove that you hold any shares at all. That was a nice feature of Cryptostocks but unfortunately I've lost all faith in their system anyways so your email might as well be strapped to the front page of their website.
Still no answering to any of the issues you are making your shareholders face. You think that you are legit, because you simply say so?
I don't need to think that I am or am not legitimately giving you this information - that is totally up to you to decide. If you think I'm a fraud, that's fine. Fortunately, there are a lot of great investors that are waiting just as anxiously yet patiently as I am to launch AltSwap. They are the bread and butter of Bitcoin and the reason that cryptocurrencies will thrive in the future
Thanks to all of you for keeping the spirit alive!
How can he take control by exploiting a feature that you say he can, BUT YOU CANNOT DO THE SAME TO REGAIN CONTROL???
The account was compromised through means of a password reset and it is done over and over again. The hacker clearly has more knowledge of Cryptostocks and their security than I do because every time I reset the password and lock the account up, it is hacked again. I've done it from multiple computers, multiple IPs, and multiple areas yet the account is still compromised. Make up your own assumptions on how this is done but I always have control just as much as this person (you saying "he" was really sexist by the way - I thought our world had passed that stage).
What will you do with our shares?
Why is there a trade enabled on your listing to trade your altswap shares for firemine shares? Why would we do that?
The trade is NOT enabled. Once again, if things change from trading disabled to enabled, it is not my doing. I have no reason to continue trading and using their site. So if you are still trading AltSwap on Cryptostocks, it is merely for your own fun I suppose. Your shares have already been downloaded on multiple dates to a spreadsheet. They aren't going anywhere because we still have hard copies of them.
How can you pay us dividents, and how can you prove what we hold?
The point in trading at cryptostocks is the protection of my anonymity.
If i wanted to trade with my social security number, i would act accordingly.
How can you prove that you are a male or a female or that you live in California or New York? It is the internet - nothing can be proven without some degree of doubt. We have downloaded the files on multiple occasions of shareholders and will work with those along with an algorithm (5000x for original shareholders and 1x for post-IPO shareholders) to be sure that everyone is paid fairly. We can't prove that you hold any shares at all. That was a nice feature of Cryptostocks but unfortunately I've lost all faith in their system anyways so your email might as well be strapped to the front page of their website.
Still no answering to any of the issues you are making your shareholders face. You think that you are legit, because you simply say so?
I don't need to think that I am or am not legitimately giving you this information - that is totally up to you to decide. If you think I'm a fraud, that's fine. Fortunately, there are a lot of great investors that are waiting just as anxiously yet patiently as I am to launch AltSwap. They are the bread and butter of Bitcoin and the reason that cryptocurrencies will thrive in the future
Thanks to all of you for keeping the spirit alive! I am publicly announcing everything going on right now. I'll address you directly as well.
The Cryptostocks account is not solely under my control. I have issued many warnings to all of the Cryptostocks users and to the BitcoinTalk users that buying shares will NOT be honored at this point because we pulled the lists a long time ago. Occasionally the hacker will put up a notice that contradicts something I have said and I change it as soon as possible to avoid confusion. However, if I haven't gotten to it yet and if you see something that contradicts what I have said on Cryptostocks it should not concern you. The unfortunate part is that the person who is hacking into Cryptostocks is acting pretty childish instead of contacting me directly so that we can figure out what is bothering him/her/it. I prefer to have grown-up conversations with respectable people since (hopefully) we are all adults here.
The listing has long since been abandoned and we will be divvying up profits using our own method, whether it will be manual or automatic on our side we don't know. What we DO know is that focusing on the exchange development and rolling out more functionality is the priority right now. When we start bringing in profits we will notify you on how you will receive them (all directly to your wallet of course).
The Cryptostocks account is not solely under my control. I have issued many warnings to all of the Cryptostocks users and to the BitcoinTalk users that buying shares will NOT be honored at this point because we pulled the lists a long time ago. Occasionally the hacker will put up a notice that contradicts something I have said and I change it as soon as possible to avoid confusion. However, if I haven't gotten to it yet and if you see something that contradicts what I have said on Cryptostocks it should not concern you. The unfortunate part is that the person who is hacking into Cryptostocks is acting pretty childish instead of contacting me directly so that we can figure out what is bothering him/her/it. I prefer to have grown-up conversations with respectable people since (hopefully) we are all adults here.
The listing has long since been abandoned and we will be divvying up profits using our own method, whether it will be manual or automatic on our side we don't know. What we DO know is that focusing on the exchange development and rolling out more functionality is the priority right now. When we start bringing in profits we will notify you on how you will receive them (all directly to your wallet of course).
Who is controlling that account on cryptostocks?
How can he take control by exploiting a feature that you say he can, BUT YOU CANNOT DO THE SAME TO REGAIN CONTROL???
What will you do with our shares?
Why is there a trade enabled on your listing to trade your altswap shares for firemine shares? Why would we do that?
How can you pay us dividents, and how can you prove what we hold?
The point in trading at cryptostocks is the protection of my anonymity.
If i wanted to trade with my social security number, i would act accordingly.
Still no answering to any of the issues you are making your shareholders face. You think that you are legit, because you simply say so?
You will not even be the only one seeing my email, every issuer will see it.
EDIT: Judging by the fact that YOUR OWN EMAIL WAS ALLEGEDLY HACKED, do you still not fathom why we cant trust this on anyone?
I am publicly announcing everything going on right now. I'll address you directly as well.
The Cryptostocks account is not solely under my control. I have issued many warnings to all of the Cryptostocks users and to the BitcoinTalk users that buying shares will NOT be honored at this point because we pulled the lists a long time ago. Occasionally the hacker will put up a notice that contradicts something I have said and I change it as soon as possible to avoid confusion. However, if I haven't gotten to it yet and if you see something that contradicts what I have said on Cryptostocks it should not concern you. The unfortunate part is that the person who is hacking into Cryptostocks is acting pretty childish instead of contacting me directly so that we can figure out what is bothering him/her/it. I prefer to have grown-up conversations with respectable people since (hopefully) we are all adults here.
The listing has long since been abandoned and we will be divvying up profits using our own method, whether it will be manual or automatic on our side we don't know. What we DO know is that focusing on the exchange development and rolling out more functionality is the priority right now. When we start bringing in profits we will notify you on how you will receive them (all directly to your wallet of course).
The Cryptostocks account is not solely under my control. I have issued many warnings to all of the Cryptostocks users and to the BitcoinTalk users that buying shares will NOT be honored at this point because we pulled the lists a long time ago. Occasionally the hacker will put up a notice that contradicts something I have said and I change it as soon as possible to avoid confusion. However, if I haven't gotten to it yet and if you see something that contradicts what I have said on Cryptostocks it should not concern you. The unfortunate part is that the person who is hacking into Cryptostocks is acting pretty childish instead of contacting me directly so that we can figure out what is bothering him/her/it. I prefer to have grown-up conversations with respectable people since (hopefully) we are all adults here.
The listing has long since been abandoned and we will be divvying up profits using our own method, whether it will be manual or automatic on our side we don't know. What we DO know is that focusing on the exchange development and rolling out more functionality is the priority right now. When we start bringing in profits we will notify you on how you will receive them (all directly to your wallet of course).
First of all, hopefully the "cold day in hell" will be pretty soon after the launch day since it is the only way that we can verify you as a shareholder and send you your dividend.
You have still not addressed any issues. You have not verified any of your allegations against cryptostocks. You keep blaiming, stating even on your edit, here that your cryptostocks ccount in not under your control, yet you have shown no proof of that so far. No other listing reported anything, apart the ones that were connected to you guys have been affected.
We would love for all of our shareholders to receive their dividends as they have rightfully earned and this won't be an issue if everyone is as passionate as you are.
What is happening with your listing?
One moment you are claiming all is ok, and on the other you are claiming you are moving.
How can you validate the owners of your shares, and pay their dividents? The divients will not be paid through cryptostocks?
Why is there NO PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT ANYWHERE about what you are planning to do with our shares? You are openly blackmailing everyone holding those shares because you fucked up.
Also, I can't seem to fathom why anyone would be so secure about their email address when BitcoinTalk, Cryptostocks, and even the NSA have easy access to it - we aren't asking you to give us your social security number...just a simple email so that we are able to send you money. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me but we won't force you to do it
Why dont you guys start first with posting all your personal data. You seem to believe that you can be trusted more than the NSA?
Some of us don want to give out our emails everywhere, your plan is to blackmail us into it?
Alright "squeak," I'll directly address you since that seems to be what you would like but this message pertains to everyone as well - the doubters and the faithful.
First of all, hopefully that "cold day in hell" will be pretty soon after the launch day since it is the only way that we can verify you as a shareholder and send you your dividend. We would love for all of our shareholders to receive their dividends as they have rightfully earned and this won't be an issue if everyone is as passionate as you are. Also, I can't seem to fathom why anyone would be so secure about their email address when BitcoinTalk, Cryptostocks, and even the NSA have easy access to it - we aren't asking you to give us your social security number...just a simple email so that we are able to send you money. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me but we won't force you to do it
Secondly, I'm sorry if you feel dismissed at all. In fact, I'm a little taken aback that you feel that way. Let's face the facts for a second. I have your money in my hand - why should I even stick around any more? If this is a scam, shouldn't I be blowing every penny in Vegas right now? Unfortunately, that isn't the case. I'm here to answer questions and concerns and deliver the best exchange I can. Our support head, Jeran, has done an amazing job of being on live chat on the website and answering countless emails about logistics of the exchange. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate his help through all of this! So the scam accusations? They really aren't valid unless I've fled, and I haven't - development is still going hard and we are all in this together (High School Musical reference for the kids).
Thirdly, I'm human - I do make mistakes. One was trusting a site that had almost no security on it's password reset function. Another was setting an initial launch date that we were forced to rescind because a huge redesign needed to take place before the official date. There is a reason that no new dates have been provided and that was the main reason why. I realize that it is frustrating because I feel the same frustration. This is my project and my 'baby' that I'm extremely excited about being able to present to the public and every day that it isn't ready for debut is annoyingly flustering for me as much (and a lot more) than for investors and users.
Finally, I want to take a moment and thank everyone that has sent me emails, messages, and everything else stating their continued support and excitement for the project. You guys are the ones that keep us coding and perfecting every day. You guys are the ones that put smiles on our faces and let us know that there are some really awesome people out there in the world. For those of you who are thinking this way and haven't sent me a message on here with your encouragement because you think it would be lame or whatnot - do it! Every one of them that I read makes me grin from cheek to cheek with happiness.
I love you guys! I'll end it there before this gets too 'lovey' <3\
By the way, whoever has hacked the Cryptostocks account, thanks for posting the above on Cryptostocks
First of all, hopefully that "cold day in hell" will be pretty soon after the launch day since it is the only way that we can verify you as a shareholder and send you your dividend. We would love for all of our shareholders to receive their dividends as they have rightfully earned and this won't be an issue if everyone is as passionate as you are. Also, I can't seem to fathom why anyone would be so secure about their email address when BitcoinTalk, Cryptostocks, and even the NSA have easy access to it - we aren't asking you to give us your social security number...just a simple email so that we are able to send you money. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me but we won't force you to do it
Secondly, I'm sorry if you feel dismissed at all. In fact, I'm a little taken aback that you feel that way. Let's face the facts for a second. I have your money in my hand - why should I even stick around any more? If this is a scam, shouldn't I be blowing every penny in Vegas right now? Unfortunately, that isn't the case. I'm here to answer questions and concerns and deliver the best exchange I can. Our support head, Jeran, has done an amazing job of being on live chat on the website and answering countless emails about logistics of the exchange. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate his help through all of this! So the scam accusations? They really aren't valid unless I've fled, and I haven't - development is still going hard and we are all in this together (High School Musical reference for the kids).
Thirdly, I'm human - I do make mistakes. One was trusting a site that had almost no security on it's password reset function. Another was setting an initial launch date that we were forced to rescind because a huge redesign needed to take place before the official date. There is a reason that no new dates have been provided and that was the main reason why. I realize that it is frustrating because I feel the same frustration. This is my project and my 'baby' that I'm extremely excited about being able to present to the public and every day that it isn't ready for debut is annoyingly flustering for me as much (and a lot more) than for investors and users.
Finally, I want to take a moment and thank everyone that has sent me emails, messages, and everything else stating their continued support and excitement for the project. You guys are the ones that keep us coding and perfecting every day. You guys are the ones that put smiles on our faces and let us know that there are some really awesome people out there in the world. For those of you who are thinking this way and haven't sent me a message on here with your encouragement because you think it would be lame or whatnot - do it! Every one of them that I read makes me grin from cheek to cheek with happiness.
I love you guys! I'll end it there before this gets too 'lovey'
<3\By the way, whoever has hacked the Cryptostocks account, thanks for posting the above on Cryptostocks
I have lost 2 BTC buying your stock.
I just had a look, WTF
Issue Date Number of shares
05 Mar 18:28 100,000
05 Mar 18:27 4,000
28 Jan 02:11 50,000
Why was there a additional 104k shares?
Also what is happening with this site?
I just had a look, WTF
Issue Date Number of shares
05 Mar 18:28 100,000
05 Mar 18:27 4,000
28 Jan 02:11 50,000
Why was there a additional 104k shares?
Also what is happening with this site?
Exactly...
I was very much looking forward to this service opening up, and even bought shares in it, but the longer this fiasco goes on, and the more the so-called CEO dodges reasonable questions, the more scammed I'm feeling, and it'll be a cold day in hell before I give him my email at this point, when I have no confidence in him.
This isn't personal. This is business.
He is asking us for OUR money to help get this off the ground, and we get treated dismissively as if we're nothing.
He has an obligation to us to be up-front about what is going on, in detail.
He's not doing so... so what other choice do we have at this point, but to think of this venture as nothing more than just another scam that ripped us off?
I suppose promising a dividend before there was even any income, much less, profit, was enough of a red flag. Unfortunately, I didn't see that part before I invested.
I personally haven't had any issues with CryptoStocks, so I can't take the accusations about CryptoStocks at their word. My experience with CryptoStocks, counts for more, than my experience with ALTSWAP at this point.
=squeak=
I was very much looking forward to this service opening up, and even bought shares in it, but the longer this fiasco goes on, and the more the so-called CEO dodges reasonable questions, the more scammed I'm feeling, and it'll be a cold day in hell before I give him my email at this point, when I have no confidence in him.
This isn't personal. This is business.
He is asking us for OUR money to help get this off the ground, and we get treated dismissively as if we're nothing.
He has an obligation to us to be up-front about what is going on, in detail.
He's not doing so... so what other choice do we have at this point, but to think of this venture as nothing more than just another scam that ripped us off?
I suppose promising a dividend before there was even any income, much less, profit, was enough of a red flag. Unfortunately, I didn't see that part before I invested.
I personally haven't had any issues with CryptoStocks, so I can't take the accusations about CryptoStocks at their word. My experience with CryptoStocks, counts for more, than my experience with ALTSWAP at this point.
=squeak=
and you again, sidestep what you're being asked... tell us something that isn't in CryptoStock's FAQ about how things on their exchange works.
something about why --> YOU <-- are needing it and for what purpose?
quit being a little bitch about it.
=squeak=
something about why --> YOU <-- are needing it and for what purpose?
quit being a little bitch about it.
=squeak=
Absolutely...
And how about this "Transfer your shares to Mineco" bs. How does one even transfer shares? Shouldnt --> YOU <-- (the business) be responsible for transferring our shares over? I didn't hack Cryptostocks... So why should I now have to fix up the mess of your shares? Not that you hacked Cryptostocks... But why inconvenience ALL of your shareholders??? doesnt make sense...
Altswap looked prime prior to launch. It had a fancy count-down robot on the website. Now it just sits how it has sat for.. what? over a month now?
The shares were not upgradeable since we incur a fee every time someone wishes to upgrade their shares. We have deposited more money into our account so that all of you that are having trouble upgrading your shares should be able to get them transferred over and upgraded.
Interesting.So now it's "WE".
Yesterday it wasn't "WE" it was "a friend" which you had nothing to do with.
Get your story straight, man.
You've made a nice chunk of BTCs from this crap scams - walk while you're ahead and stop messing with people here.
There will always be a new lame explanation...
and you again, sidestep what you're being asked... tell us something that isn't in CryptoStock's FAQ about how things on their exchange works.
something about why --> YOU <-- are needing it and for what purpose?
quit being a little bitch about it.
=squeak=
something about why --> YOU <-- are needing it and for what purpose?
quit being a little bitch about it.
=squeak=
There is a spreadsheet that Cryptostocks supplies with email addresses of all shareholders and their shares if they have chosen to show their email (most have).
Your email is the only way for anyone to verify that you actually own the shares that you say you own.
For what purpose?=squeak=
edit: PLEASE NOTE... I asked for a COMPLETE posting... not any more if this disconnected piecemeal crap that is happening. Cuz right now, ALTSWAP doesn't look any more trustworthy than ALTSWAP is accusing CryptoStocks of being. So, you're going to have to do better than this. This is no way to start a new service, which requires the trust of the people participating on it, while you leave this stink cloud hovering all around ALTSWAP... so... be very specific... WHAT do you need my email for, and what else is going on, and what is the connection between the other issues being called a scam, that your domain name is connected to? This is full disclosure time. Step up.
Your email is the only way for anyone to verify that you actually own the shares that you say you own.
If you're not involved with FireMine, why are you making topics for them?
and I still have not heard adequate justification for wanting our email addresses...
So far all I'm seeing is bits and pieces scattered around, and I STILL can't bring up the company's page on cryptostocks (and I sent in an email to support about it)
So... how about you put everything relevant to what you're doing right now, into a single post, from start to finish, about what your intentions are right now, particularly WHY you need our emails in order to do it.
=squeak=
and I still have not heard adequate justification for wanting our email addresses...
So far all I'm seeing is bits and pieces scattered around, and I STILL can't bring up the company's page on cryptostocks (and I sent in an email to support about it)
So... how about you put everything relevant to what you're doing right now, into a single post, from start to finish, about what your intentions are right now, particularly WHY you need our emails in order to do it.
=squeak=
I hate to be the bearer of bad news for the people calling this a scam but I've created a topic here for the share buyback of FireMine shares: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=504448.new#new
Let's get the discussion back to AltSwap and the fact that deposits will be working by dusk and withdrawals soon after
Let's get the discussion back to AltSwap and the fact that deposits will be working by dusk and withdrawals soon after
There is a 0.005 BTC fee that the owner of shares (yes, that is the person you purchased them from - not you) must pay for every upgrade you make. Please read on Cryptostocks website about this.
Right, my point is...if they can't even cover a simple 0.005 to transfer a single share (yes, I have enough to cover my 0.01 part as well) then how in hades are they expecting to run a legitimate BTC asset? Or three?! imho it's looking like they aren't...definitely smells scammy*I have tried to transfer a single share several times over the past 3 days and not once has the owner of the asset had 0.005 to cover the transfer costs?!?! Just the dividends he or she hasn't been paying out these past couple of days should be enough to cover that.
There is a 0.005 BTC fee that the owner of shares (yes, that is the person you purchased them from - not you) must pay for every upgrade you make. Please read on Cryptostocks website about this.
Just got a PM response from firemine/mineco owner regarding why I can't transfer my shares. Here was his response:
*This makes 0-sense, my recommendation is that you avoid firemine, mineco, and altswap until these things get resolved one way or another. Altswap share multiplication also hasn't happened. All three definately looking very scammish at this point.
**Just tried to transfer a single share of firemine, and got same error message. Ask your self this:
"If the owner of firemine/mineco is unable to cover fee's required to upgrade a single share...do you really think he's going to payout regular dividends or run anything even remotely resembling a well run business? I think not!!"
There is a fee involved on our end to transfer your shares so we are continuously putting money into our account to be able to handle the upgrades.
*This makes 0-sense, my recommendation is that you avoid firemine, mineco, and altswap until these things get resolved one way or another. Altswap share multiplication also hasn't happened. All three definately looking very scammish at this point.
**Just tried to transfer a single share of firemine, and got same error message. Ask your self this:
"If the owner of firemine/mineco is unable to cover fee's required to upgrade a single share...do you really think he's going to payout regular dividends or run anything even remotely resembling a well run business? I think not!!"
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