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Topic: Discussion of Opportunity Zones with no capital gains taxes in the US - page 2. (Read 341 times)

legendary
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STOP SNITCHIN'
Upon closer inspection it appears that it only defers taxes for 8 years and then reduces them by a paltry 15%. I mean it could be really good if you already had a business idea that would work well in a low income area but purely as a tax avoidance scheme, seems questionable.

In addition, the "opportunity funds" you'd be investing in appear to grow tax-free, forever, and they can be restructured without losing their status. So, they're essentially treated like retirement accounts -- no taxes paid until you withdraw the gains. I can't run the numbers, but quite a lot of compounded growth is possible with this structure, because they operate tax-free.

However, I could not find any mention about bitcoin or cryptos here. That essentially means, you need to follow the existing federal guidelines that are there for crypto related investments. Company formation is obviously possible with greater level of tax reduction but for crypto, I don't think any special provisions have been given.

Yeah, AFAIK there's no way to apply or take advantage of these tax breaks with regard to past crypto investments. To me, this whole scheme is more about gentrification and pouring tax-free gains into real estate developer coffers.
legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
reply to WO post here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42822472

interesting article. thanks.

so i may have the option of taking tax money that otherwise would be paid to the government and more or less wasted and instead pick my own areas and technologies to invest it in instead. and it helps the little guys. im in. although it sounds too good to be true to be honest. and its new and untested. never had a problem with new and untested things before, as long as i can figure risk/reward ratios fairly well.

Well, not quite. At least I don't think so. Bear in mind I just learned about it yesterday. But rather than being able to redirect your tax money, it is actually the money that you invest through this program is not taxed (for ten years, profits to be tax free, etc...).

But overall looks like a very attractive program. Help bootstrap a needy community of your choice, and get a very favorable tax treatment.


still seems like a good place to park some money for a while, with the chance to actually help the underdogs somewhere. making some money from it helps of course.

not a lot around my area but still. gotta do some more research obviously. gonna mention it to my financial guy next time i seem him.
legendary
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My first question is.

Can I create a startup in one of these zones then invest bitcoins into the company which then needs a company boat for me to go travel around the world for the company?

Looking at the article what I understood is that, there is no change in the laws of company formation. So you can form a company in these zones by following the existing state law. However, the tax burden will be slowly diminishing allowing you to have increased profits over a span of few years. The main goal is to revitalize the backward communities and provide oxygen to the existing and potential industry formation.

However, I could not find any mention about bitcoin or cryptos here. That essentially means, you need to follow the existing federal guidelines that are there for crypto related investments. Company formation is obviously possible with greater level of tax reduction but for crypto, I don't think any special provisions have been given.
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
Upon closer inspection it appears that it only defers taxes for 8 years and then reduces them by a paltry 15%. I mean it could be really good if you already had a business idea that would work well in a low income area but purely as a tax avoidance scheme, seems questionable.

Well that sucks.

I'll stick to waiting for the inevitable collapse.
legendary
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Upon closer inspection it appears that it only defers taxes for 8 years and then reduces them by a paltry 15%. I mean it could be really good if you already had a business idea that would work well in a low income area but purely as a tax avoidance scheme, seems questionable.
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
Quick question to get it out of the way, is this in any way useful to europeans?

Not likely.

Europeans can just leave their country and not owe taxes. Not so much for US citizens.

As an aside, when the seastead gets up and running, and you decided to locate there permanently, are you going to dump your US citizenship? Will French Polynesia offer citizenship?

When you dump your US citizenship you have to pay the exit tax which is a few thousand dollars plus capital gains taxes on everything you own as if you had sold it when you left. Without actually selling it.

My thought is that I can just draw out $35k per year to live on until the US implodes and there's no need to dump my citizenship.


Or....find the hole in this Opportunity Zone thing and buy a 100 sqft box with an address and open a "business" to funnel more than just $35k through. When I get around to actually reading the law that passed. There are a few deserted lots in the Texas Opportunity Zones that are probably very cheap.
legendary
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Shitcoin Minimalist
Quick question to get it out of the way, is this in any way useful to europeans?

Not likely.

Europeans can just leave their country and not owe taxes. Not so much for US citizens.

As an aside, when the seastead gets up and running, and you decided to locate there permanently, are you going to dump your US citizenship? Will French Polynesia offer citizenship?
legendary
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STOP SNITCHIN'
It sounds like it'll probably gentrify the shit out of poor neighborhoods and force residents out, while allowing developers and investors to avoid paying taxes. So I'm thinking, yeah, maybe you could dump a bunch of BTC gains into real estate in a dumpy neighborhood, renovate your crack houses and quadruple the rents over 10 years, and pay literally no taxes on the gains as long as they're deemed part of an approved "opportunity fund." Sounds like a real sweetheart deal.

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Cities are likely to attract real estate developers, startups and venture funds.

Just keep building that bubble! Roll Eyes
legendary
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Shitcoin Minimalist
The problem is that the gains you'd make by investing in these shitholes are unlikely to compete with the gains made by bitcoin over the same time period, even taking into consideration the tax differences.
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
Quick question to get it out of the way, is this in any way useful to europeans?

Not likely.

Europeans can just leave their country and not owe taxes. Not so much for US citizens.
legendary
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Quick question to get it out of the way, is this in any way useful to europeans?
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
My first question is.

Can I create a startup in one of these zones then invest bitcoins into the company which then needs a company boat for me to go travel around the world for the company?
legendary
Activity: 3598
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Viva Ut Vivas
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesdigitalcovers/2018/07/17/an-unlikely-group-of-billionaires-and-politicians-has-created-the-most-unbelievable-tax-break-ever/


"The heart of this new law: Opportunity Zones, or "O-zones," low-income areas designated by each state. Investors will soon be able to plow recently realized capital gains into projects or companies based there, slowly erase the tax obligations on a portion of those gains and, more significantly, have those proceeds grow tax-free. There are almost no limits. No limits on how much you can put in, how much tax you can avoid and, for most of the country, the types of taxes you can avoid, whether federal, state or local. No limits on how long those proceeds compound tax-free. And precious few limits on what types of investments you can make."

Let's dig into this new tax law and figure out how bitcoiners with high capital gains can take advantage of this legal gift from Washington.
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