Topic: [Discussion] There is more to Home Advantage than just Fans - page 2. (Read 448 times)
I think this has not yet been mentioned yet. In a way, a match is also a kind of a turf war. It seems to me that teams are also territorial animals. They won't just bow down to their enemies in their very own soil. I guess this is also another factor about home advantage. It is not just about the fans but also about the name of their home. In every battle, they are carrying with them the honor of their place. If a team wins a championship trophy, it is not just about the team proving their might, it is also about a city or a state or a country gaining honor and respect for the kind of athlete or sports warriors they have. That is why a defeat at home is much more bitter than a defeat in another territory. It hurts the team, their territory, and their pride.
The biggest factor is the home ground itself in my opinion. No jet lag thanks to travelling, fans supporting you etc do help in reducing stress levels, but the home ground matters a lot more. Coronavirus can't take away the home ground advantage.
Examples:
- I am an avid follower of Cricket and the teams that play on their home ground usually win when compared to the visitors since they recognize the pros and cons of the ground in a much better manner when compared to the visitors.
- The same applies to any sport based on statistics(NBA, NFL etc).
Examples:
- I am an avid follower of Cricket and the teams that play on their home ground usually win when compared to the visitors since they recognize the pros and cons of the ground in a much better manner when compared to the visitors.
- The same applies to any sport based on statistics(NBA, NFL etc).
In general there is way less stress, when playing at home. Going on an away trip, there is a lot of things that might distract you. It can be the hotel room, the food, the locker room, the stadium, whatever. And then again, you still have a few teams, that tend to do better in away games than at home. Not forever, but for a certain period of time.
Very interesting thread, thanks! In my opinion, all of your mentioned points can be reduced to this factor: "less stress"
Human minds tend to react with "stress" in unknown situations (foreign stadium, foreign locker, foreign people around them, ...). This behavior stems from a time when our urahns wandered around every day to look for food and death could have waited around every corner. The body is tense in a stressful situation, expecting dangerous situations where you have to flee of fight immediately, leading to the fact that your body wastes energy to keep this state. Of course, this behaviour was a life safer back then, nowadays its simply not so important anymore, there wont be any tiger waiting for you around the next corner
If you are familiar with your surroundings (stadium, locker, people) your body simply is not that tense and you don't waste energy for keeping your senses "stressed". So in my opinion, better preparation for important games without additional stress factors is an important point why there is a home advantage at all.
Yes, good points. My little list is of course not exhaustive, there are lots of other points and each sport probably has its own little details that add to home advantage. So everyone feel free to share your thoughts. I know most sports or watched them at least once in my life, but for example Cricket is something, that I have no, really no, idea about. So would be interested to hear, if in Cricket there are certain things, that add to home advantage.
Yes, this could maybe be included in travel stress in general, but I have to admit, that I didn't have that one in mind. In Europe this is not that much of an issue, but already in the US when travelling from one coast to the other, it can be important (f.e. the NFL west coast teams playing at 1pm at the east coast). I remember, when Vladivostok was in Russian Premier League and the mostly in West Russia located teams had to travel there. It was a) a huge travel and b) some hours time difference. And vice versa, the Vladivostok team had to basically go on a world trip every two weeks for their away games
I know Barca has a huge pitch. It was intentionally designed as big as possbile to suit the playing style of them. In german Bundesliga you have Freiburg and the pitch in their stadium has some gradient (it's around 1m iirc), so for one half you would always have to play a uphill a bit.
Yep, we can witness that very well every year in NFL. Carr doesn't like to play in cold weather f.e. and going to Foxborough or Lambeau in January is even more of a problem for a lot of teams than it normally is anyway.
In the Copa Libertadores you have these teams from Ecuador (?) and Bolivia that have a huge home advantage, because they play on 3,000m+ altitude. It's extremely hard, even for way superior teams on paper, to play there, because they are just not used to it and struggle like crazy with their breathing.
1. On International games you are not going to suffer from Jet lag which can be a real issue especially when you are trying to perform at the highest level possible.
Yes, this could maybe be included in travel stress in general, but I have to admit, that I didn't have that one in mind. In Europe this is not that much of an issue, but already in the US when travelling from one coast to the other, it can be important (f.e. the NFL west coast teams playing at 1pm at the east coast). I remember, when Vladivostok was in Russian Premier League and the mostly in West Russia located teams had to travel there. It was a) a huge travel and b) some hours time difference. And vice versa, the Vladivostok team had to basically go on a world trip every two weeks for their away games
2. Depending on the game there are different sizes the field may have and still fall under the rules, so playing at home gives you advantage in the sense that you know perfectly the size of the field while the visitor may make several mistakes because the field is bigger or smaller than their own.
I know Barca has a huge pitch. It was intentionally designed as big as possbile to suit the playing style of them. In german Bundesliga you have Freiburg and the pitch in their stadium has some gradient (it's around 1m iirc), so for one half you would always have to play a uphill a bit.
3. The weather can be a big influence in the games especially if there is some kind of condition that the opposite team is not used to experimenting, for example teams that play in a warm weather may have problems playing in colder weather.
Yep, we can witness that very well every year in NFL. Carr doesn't like to play in cold weather f.e. and going to Foxborough or Lambeau in January is even more of a problem for a lot of teams than it normally is anyway.
4. The sea level can be a huge factor as well if it is really high and visiting players come from a place that is near the sea level, if the sport uses a ball then the ball will have a tendency to travel farther away and visiting players will experience fatigue faster due to the reduced levels of oxygen.
In the Copa Libertadores you have these teams from Ecuador (?) and Bolivia that have a huge home advantage, because they play on 3,000m+ altitude. It's extremely hard, even for way superior teams on paper, to play there, because they are just not used to it and struggle like crazy with their breathing.
There are even more advantages to be had.
1. On International games you are not going to suffer from Jet lag which can be a real issue especially when you are trying to perform at the highest level possible.
2. Depending on the game there are different sizes the field may have and still fall under the rules, so playing at home gives you advantage in the sense that you know perfectly the size of the field while the visitor may make several mistakes because the field is bigger or smaller than their own.
3. The weather can be a big influence in the games especially if there is some kind of condition that the opposite team is not used to experimenting, for example teams that play in a warm weather may have problems playing in colder weather.
4. The sea level can be a huge factor as well if it is really high and visiting players come from a place that is near the sea level, if the sport uses a ball then the ball will have a tendency to travel farther away and visiting players will experience fatigue faster due to the reduced levels of oxygen.
1. On International games you are not going to suffer from Jet lag which can be a real issue especially when you are trying to perform at the highest level possible.
2. Depending on the game there are different sizes the field may have and still fall under the rules, so playing at home gives you advantage in the sense that you know perfectly the size of the field while the visitor may make several mistakes because the field is bigger or smaller than their own.
3. The weather can be a big influence in the games especially if there is some kind of condition that the opposite team is not used to experimenting, for example teams that play in a warm weather may have problems playing in colder weather.
4. The sea level can be a huge factor as well if it is really high and visiting players come from a place that is near the sea level, if the sport uses a ball then the ball will have a tendency to travel farther away and visiting players will experience fatigue faster due to the reduced levels of oxygen.
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Some points to consider regarding home advantage apart from just fans. When playing at home, .....
In general there is way less stress, when playing at home. Going on an away trip, there is a lot of things that might distract you. It can be the hotel room, the food, the locker room, the stadium, whatever. And then again, you still have a few teams, that tend to do better in away games than at home. Not forever, but for a certain period of time.
Some points to consider regarding home advantage apart from just fans. When playing at home, .....
- You don't have to go through the hassle of travelling. Sitting in the bus, train or plane for hours is or can be weary and disrupts your preparation.
- You can sleep in your own bed instead of in some hotel room. You can have breakfast with your family and go through your morning routines relaxed. Afterwards you can drive to the stadium in your own car. After the games has finished, you know, that you will be at home in a short period of time again.
- Arriving at the stadium, everything is familiar. You will see a lot of familiar faces in and around the stadium. This might just be the car-park attendant or the greenkeeper.
- In the locker room you have your own locker, that you use every time and that even might have some personal things in it.
- When entering the stadium, there are no surprises. You know where the fans are, you know all the banners, you might see some familiar faces in the stands.
- Especially in Basketball, the home advantage is pretty big imo. That is due to the fact, that you always have the same view to the hoop and the backboard. You have thrown to it gazillion times - your eyes don't have to process new information.
In general there is way less stress, when playing at home. Going on an away trip, there is a lot of things that might distract you. It can be the hotel room, the food, the locker room, the stadium, whatever. And then again, you still have a few teams, that tend to do better in away games than at home. Not forever, but for a certain period of time.
When reading through the betting world, through forums and different analyses to predict the outcome of a sport event, you will often hear about the impact of home advantage. You will read something like "they have great fans", "40,000 fans will cheer them to victory" or even "they don't have a lot of fans, so not much home advantage". While this might be valid to some extent, there is some misconception of what home advantage is and/or what are all the ingredients of it.
Playing in front of your fans and home crowd is certainly a big advantage. They can tip the scale in decisive moments, they can get a few extra percent out of a team, they can cheer you up, when you are down. They can also be cruel sometimes, but normally they will support you no matter what - as long as you show effort and fight till the end relentlessly.
The common opinion about (only) fans being the home advantage would suggest, that we will see a lot of f.e. football matches in the next weeks, where there is no home advantage, since they are played behind closed doors due to Corona virus. Home advantage will normally reflect in the odds with a 10% shift in favour of the home team. So, in a 2-way market, where both teams are considered equally strong, the probabilities to win start at 60% vs. 40%, disregarding all other circumstances.
Monitoring the odds movement from those games, where there will be no spectators, will let you realize, that there wasn't a rescission of that 10% to meet the fact, that there is no home advantage no more. Why is that ? Answer: There is more to home advantage than just fans and it's often overlooked imo.
I won't just list, what I think are additional factors to home advantage, because that would be boring. I want to hear your thoughts about what home advantage is for you, if you agree with my statement that it's not just the fans.
Discuss.
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Playing in front of your fans and home crowd is certainly a big advantage. They can tip the scale in decisive moments, they can get a few extra percent out of a team, they can cheer you up, when you are down. They can also be cruel sometimes, but normally they will support you no matter what - as long as you show effort and fight till the end relentlessly.
The common opinion about (only) fans being the home advantage would suggest, that we will see a lot of f.e. football matches in the next weeks, where there is no home advantage, since they are played behind closed doors due to Corona virus. Home advantage will normally reflect in the odds with a 10% shift in favour of the home team. So, in a 2-way market, where both teams are considered equally strong, the probabilities to win start at 60% vs. 40%, disregarding all other circumstances.
Monitoring the odds movement from those games, where there will be no spectators, will let you realize, that there wasn't a rescission of that 10% to meet the fact, that there is no home advantage no more. Why is that ? Answer: There is more to home advantage than just fans and it's often overlooked imo.
I won't just list, what I think are additional factors to home advantage, because that would be boring. I want to hear your thoughts about what home advantage is for you, if you agree with my statement that it's not just the fans.
Discuss.
Source: https://www.fnp.de/frankfurt/frankfurt-hessen-denkt-eintracht-frankfurt-ueber-eine-pyro-legalisierung-stadien-11783690.html
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