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legendary
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February 05, 2014, 07:33:45 AM
#69
50% doge 50% ripple 0% Bitcoin  Cool


muahaha MUAHAHa ...
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 500
February 05, 2014, 06:11:23 AM
#68
I recommend Litecoin.

Some advice:

1. Don't buy LTC when there is a major BTC bull-run, buy LTC from BTC after the stampede is nearing its peak.
2. Go all-in LTC and gamble.
3. Usually the low LTC/BTC rate will go up in a few days-weeks.
4. Profit Huh

you forgot to hodl LTC .
sr. member
Activity: 644
Merit: 250
February 04, 2014, 02:40:55 PM
#67
I recommend Litecoin.

Some advice:

1. Don't buy LTC when there is a major BTC bull-run, buy LTC from BTC after the stampede is nearing its peak.
2. Go all-in LTC and gamble.
3. Usually the low LTC/BTC rate will go up in a few days-weeks.
4. Profit Huh
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
You are a geek if you are too early to the party!
February 04, 2014, 02:27:14 PM
#66
I like alt coins and have owned a fair few over the last year.
Most of my current value is in Litecoin, but only because it actually has a real cash value away from bitcoin. I also like Peercoin and recently got very interested in Nxtcoin.

However, the trick is to realise that alt coins are the future.  Bitcoin is currently doing the work of introducing crypto currency to the masses, but it isn't going to be the coin used by the mainstream.  That is going to be an alt coin.

History teaches us that change comes through little differences. Technology is no different, and the past 20 years has seen so many examples of this.  The internet started for the public with glorified text files.  By today we can video chat with individuals while we watch live TV and shopping with international traders all on the same screen!

What bitcoin fanboys need to remember is that none of the above example can not be done with the glorified text file internet of 1992. 

Bitcoin gives us structure
Nxtcoin gives us proof of stake and true decentralised trading
Just remember it took years of awful search engines before Google turned up and gave us everything we wanted. Nobody remembers the first search engines like webcrawler and Altavista - yet without them, Google would not exist.
The next alt coin will give us the next step towards everyday use, and the cycle continues. 

If you are not diversified into alts, your bitcoin pension pot is going to be worthless! ;-)

It sounds like you believe that BTC price will crash along with BTC when a replacement coin starts to take over.  Are you still holding BTC?  What is your plan of action with regard to selling your BTC holdings when you suspect that BTC will go down?

As I see it (and I should charge for this on a subscription service!) BTC might have another mad run where it shoots up to $2000 or maybe more, but it won't go much higher. We are already getting to the point where everyone that counts has heard of bitcoin.  The laws are being worked out, and a few people are buying and selling using it.  But I don't see the price crashing, I just don't see it growing to the silly figures we were predicting a few months ago.

Bitcoins are not going to die for at least 5 years, but their relevance is doing to dwindle after the various laws have been ratified. The technical issues regarding their use is not yet relevant to the mainstream, and for that reason, the advantages of Nxtcoin and the other alts are mostly academic. However once we all start buying and selling outside the banking system, then we will see the alts really taking off.

I don't hold any bitcoins in cold storage, but do convert my alts into bitcoin before I convert into fiat.  However, I can now convert Litecoin into cash as well, so I don't actually need to use bitcoin anymore.

In the long term (5 years +) the crypto currency industry is going to look very different.  I would assume that Bitcoin might become the slang term for crypto currency, but I don't think the coins we are currently holding are going to be the coins we use.

legendary
Activity: 2338
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February 04, 2014, 10:20:43 AM
#65
i have 90% in bitcoin

remaining 10% i plan to put in worldcoin, quarkcoin, usd-e, klondikecoin( Cool), litecoin, peercoin, nxt coin and possibly earthcoin

what do u think about this?
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1028
Duelbits.com
February 03, 2014, 10:47:37 PM
#64
I always have loads of alts but to be honest I don't threat them as investment. It's just trying to buy low and to sell higher.

Bitcoin is single one that I'm comfortable to hold for longer period, all others are just a way to gain more bitcoins. So far, so good.
jr. member
Activity: 46
Merit: 100
February 03, 2014, 10:15:50 PM
#63
I recommend using https://myaltcoins.com to track your alt coin diversification situation.
Have about 75% of my net worth in cryptos, 20% in silver, 5% in fiat.

Crypto Holdings:
90.6% Bitcoin
4.7% Nxtcoin
2.2% Litecoin
2.1% Mastercoin
0.4% Namecoin

legendary
Activity: 2101
Merit: 1061
February 03, 2014, 07:24:06 PM
#62
This is an awesome thread. I'm in bitcoins, gold and silver mainly but definately interested in diversifying into more crypto currencies. Peercoin and Litecoin sound quite good for starters.

Can anyone recommend good ways to do this? Do you have respective wallets for all these synching with their own blockchains or hold it on the exchange ? What exchanges are good ?
full member
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February 03, 2014, 03:21:46 PM
#61
73 % BTC
10 % DigitalCoin
10 % WorldCoin
7 % DigiByte

Let's see how this plays out Smiley
newbie
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Merit: 0
February 03, 2014, 12:02:08 PM
#60
52% BTC
35% PPC
12% XRP
1%  NXT

In the past XRP investment was bigger, then its price fell.
sr. member
Activity: 269
Merit: 250
February 03, 2014, 08:20:13 AM
#59
raid_n, the biggest point about faster blocks actually is: Do they really mean faster confirms?

Answer: Not really.

Confirmations are a measurement of security. Simple speaking, when you have 1 confirmation in Bitcoin it means the mining power of 10 minutes says your transaction is confirmed. If you have a coin with 1 minute Blocktime 1 confirmations means the mining power of 1 minute says your transaction is confirmed

That means if you wait for 6 confirmations in a Bitcoin transaction, you should actually wait for 60 confirmations in the other coin and that only if the same amount of Hash Power would back it.

The only (very small advantage) is the 1. confirmation where it would already have the security of 1/10 of a Bitcoin confirmation.

That most services wait for 6 confirmations, no matter the Blocktime just shows how little understood that is.

Well it does mean faster confirms (on average), but weaker confirms Wink.
The real issue only arises when malicious entities try to double spend.
If the requested transaction is honored even after a fork there is no problem.
Which is why I think this is not that much of an issue for future real world situations.
You'd want to have a service wrapped around Bitcoin that has extremely fast confirmation times anyways for stuff like point of sale.
They'd probably charge a small fee for covering the risk of double spends.

legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1001
February 03, 2014, 08:01:59 AM
#58
raid_n, the biggest point about faster blocks actually is: Do they really mean faster confirms?

Answer: Not really.

Confirmations are a measurement of security. Simple speaking, when you have 1 confirmation in Bitcoin it means the mining power of 10 minutes says your transaction is confirmed. If you have a coin with 1 minute Blocktime 1 confirmations means the mining power of 1 minute says your transaction is confirmed

That means if you wait for 6 confirmations in a Bitcoin transaction, you should actually wait for 60 confirmations in the other coin and that only if the same amount of Hash Power would back it.

The only (very small advantage) is the 1. confirmation where it would already have the security of 1/10 of a Bitcoin confirmation.

That most services wait for 6 confirmations, no matter the Blocktime just shows how little understood that is.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
February 03, 2014, 07:53:22 AM
#57
I like alt coins and have owned a fair few over the last year.
Most of my current value is in Litecoin, but only because it actually has a real cash value away from bitcoin. I also like Peercoin and recently got very interested in Nxtcoin.

However, the trick is to realise that alt coins are the future.  Bitcoin is currently doing the work of introducing crypto currency to the masses, but it isn't going to be the coin used by the mainstream.  That is going to be an alt coin.

That is far from certain and too bold a statement. It all depends on whether Bitcoin can adapt and incorporate the innovations altcoins will bring. If it can, whether through things built on top of the Bitcoin protocol or through a hard fork if all else fails, then BTC will become the coin used by the mainstream. And with the amount of people invested in Bitcoin and a strong ASIC network backing it, you know it will do everything it can to stay on top of the crypto foodchain. I think it's always good to diversify into a few promising altcoins, but I wouldn't bet most of my money on them right now.

Most of the alt-coins do not provide any significant advantage over Bitcoin.
You have to realize that alts are primarily used for speculation. Of course anyone invested in it will claim that the changes make it far superior to Bitcoin.

Lets take fast block creations as an example. You are led to believe that fast block creation speeds are good. But are they?
In the unlikely but possible event that a large group of miners is separated (think undersea cable fails etc) you are facing a chain split. The faster the block creation speed
the worse it gets because the alternative chain grows quicker. So what do you gain? a bit faster confirms.
This can be solved using a service built on top of Bitcoin. Think about something like fast consensus ( i.e. what ripple uses) to form agreement upon transactions coupled with some sort of
deposit in case malicious entities to try and double spend.

Oh, and while I think it is good that Nxt has its own codebase the distribution of wealth there is practically asking for a trillion forks that deal with that issue.

I am not saying that alts have no merit, on the contrary. If I want to transfer a couple of cents (Tip or whatever) I'm not gonna use Bitcoin where the transaction fee might be higher than the amount.
Litecoin or DOGE or whatever can fill that niche. I just think that most people will put most of their trust into Bitcoin, diversifying a bit into alts for whatever reasons they have.

At this stage there is nothing fundamentally wrong with Bitcoin to warrant a full-fledged exodus. Any altcoin is weighed against Bitcoin. It has become the gold standard of cryptos.
full member
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Stand on the shoulders of giants
February 03, 2014, 06:16:37 AM
#56
75% in Bitcoin ( for real serious bussines, my family's future )
25% dogecoin ( for funny stuff, charity )

also invest in company related to bitcoin.
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1000
February 03, 2014, 06:02:53 AM
#55
I like alt coins and have owned a fair few over the last year.
Most of my current value is in Litecoin, but only because it actually has a real cash value away from bitcoin. I also like Peercoin and recently got very interested in Nxtcoin.

However, the trick is to realise that alt coins are the future.  Bitcoin is currently doing the work of introducing crypto currency to the masses, but it isn't going to be the coin used by the mainstream.  That is going to be an alt coin.

That is far from certain and too bold a statement. It all depends on whether Bitcoin can adapt and incorporate the innovations altcoins will bring. If it can, whether through things built on top of the Bitcoin protocol or through a hard fork if all else fails, then BTC will become the coin used by the mainstream. And with the amount of people invested in Bitcoin and a strong ASIC network backing it, you know it will do everything it can to stay on top of the crypto foodchain. I think it's always good to diversify into a few promising altcoins, but I wouldn't bet most of my money on them right now.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 500
February 03, 2014, 01:14:08 AM
#54
My retirement portfolio:

30% Bitcoin
20% Litecoin
20% Dogecoin
10% US dollars
10% Saturncoin
10% gold

I would usually have a chunk in real estate but the current housing market seems a bit risky for my taste.


remove dogecoin saturncoin , usd and replace with silver and more LTC and you'll be fine.
legendary
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February 03, 2014, 01:03:16 AM
#53
I like alt coins and have owned a fair few over the last year.
Most of my current value is in Litecoin, but only because it actually has a real cash value away from bitcoin. I also like Peercoin and recently got very interested in Nxtcoin.

However, the trick is to realise that alt coins are the future.  Bitcoin is currently doing the work of introducing crypto currency to the masses, but it isn't going to be the coin used by the mainstream.  That is going to be an alt coin.

History teaches us that change comes through little differences. Technology is no different, and the past 20 years has seen so many examples of this.  The internet started for the public with glorified text files.  By today we can video chat with individuals while we watch live TV and shopping with international traders all on the same screen!

What bitcoin fanboys need to remember is that none of the above example can not be done with the glorified text file internet of 1992. 

Bitcoin gives us structure
Nxtcoin gives us proof of stake and true decentralised trading
Just remember it took years of awful search engines before Google turned up and gave us everything we wanted. Nobody remembers the first search engines like webcrawler and Altavista - yet without them, Google would not exist.
The next alt coin will give us the next step towards everyday use, and the cycle continues. 

If you are not diversified into alts, your bitcoin pension pot is going to be worthless! ;-)

This is so very possible its not funny. I also had a nightmare where google releases a pre-mined coin backed by a million GOOG shares. I mean it would murder bitcoin over night.

So far, all the coins proposed by large organisations are centralised. JP morgan, google, and ripple.
smart money will not flow to those, but I fear the same as you do, the ignorant would first support a google coin.
It is a terrible test. the people have an opportunity to save themselves....... will they choose google coin? Id rather they choose dogecoin....
legendary
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HODL OR DIE
February 03, 2014, 12:56:53 AM
#52
I like alt coins and have owned a fair few over the last year.
Most of my current value is in Litecoin, but only because it actually has a real cash value away from bitcoin. I also like Peercoin and recently got very interested in Nxtcoin.

However, the trick is to realise that alt coins are the future.  Bitcoin is currently doing the work of introducing crypto currency to the masses, but it isn't going to be the coin used by the mainstream.  That is going to be an alt coin.

History teaches us that change comes through little differences. Technology is no different, and the past 20 years has seen so many examples of this.  The internet started for the public with glorified text files.  By today we can video chat with individuals while we watch live TV and shopping with international traders all on the same screen!

What bitcoin fanboys need to remember is that none of the above example can not be done with the glorified text file internet of 1992. 

Bitcoin gives us structure
Nxtcoin gives us proof of stake and true decentralised trading
Just remember it took years of awful search engines before Google turned up and gave us everything we wanted. Nobody remembers the first search engines like webcrawler and Altavista - yet without them, Google would not exist.
The next alt coin will give us the next step towards everyday use, and the cycle continues. 

If you are not diversified into alts, your bitcoin pension pot is going to be worthless! ;-)

This is so very possible its not funny. I also had a nightmare where google releases a pre-mined coin backed by a million GOOG shares. I mean it would murder bitcoin over night.
full member
Activity: 187
Merit: 100
February 03, 2014, 12:16:40 AM
#51
I like alt coins and have owned a fair few over the last year.
Most of my current value is in Litecoin, but only because it actually has a real cash value away from bitcoin. I also like Peercoin and recently got very interested in Nxtcoin.

However, the trick is to realise that alt coins are the future.  Bitcoin is currently doing the work of introducing crypto currency to the masses, but it isn't going to be the coin used by the mainstream.  That is going to be an alt coin.

History teaches us that change comes through little differences. Technology is no different, and the past 20 years has seen so many examples of this.  The internet started for the public with glorified text files.  By today we can video chat with individuals while we watch live TV and shopping with international traders all on the same screen!

What bitcoin fanboys need to remember is that none of the above example can not be done with the glorified text file internet of 1992. 

Bitcoin gives us structure
Nxtcoin gives us proof of stake and true decentralised trading
Just remember it took years of awful search engines before Google turned up and gave us everything we wanted. Nobody remembers the first search engines like webcrawler and Altavista - yet without them, Google would not exist.
The next alt coin will give us the next step towards everyday use, and the cycle continues. 

If you are not diversified into alts, your bitcoin pension pot is going to be worthless! ;-)

It sounds like you believe that BTC price will crash along with BTC when a replacement coin starts to take over.  Are you still holding BTC?  What is your plan of action with regard to selling your BTC holdings when you suspect that BTC will go down?
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
You are a geek if you are too early to the party!
February 02, 2014, 02:57:13 PM
#50
I like alt coins and have owned a fair few over the last year.
Most of my current value is in Litecoin, but only because it actually has a real cash value away from bitcoin. I also like Peercoin and recently got very interested in Nxtcoin.

However, the trick is to realise that alt coins are the future.  Bitcoin is currently doing the work of introducing crypto currency to the masses, but it isn't going to be the coin used by the mainstream.  That is going to be an alt coin.

History teaches us that change comes through little differences. Technology is no different, and the past 20 years has seen so many examples of this.  The internet started for the public with glorified text files.  By today we can video chat with individuals while we watch live TV and shopping with international traders all on the same screen!

What bitcoin fanboys need to remember is that none of the above example can not be done with the glorified text file internet of 1992. 

Bitcoin gives us structure
Nxtcoin gives us proof of stake and true decentralised trading
Just remember it took years of awful search engines before Google turned up and gave us everything we wanted. Nobody remembers the first search engines like webcrawler and Altavista - yet without them, Google would not exist.
The next alt coin will give us the next step towards everyday use, and the cycle continues. 

If you are not diversified into alts, your bitcoin pension pot is going to be worthless! ;-)
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