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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 04, 2024, 12:45:03 PM

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OP, I don't think you're going to be able to do what you want to do by investing in dividend stocks. I'm all for passive income, but if you want to grow the value of your bitcoin why jump into the stock market? There's no need for that, and you'd probably end up losing money like most people do who ask basic questions about investing on discussion forums. Lol.

If that's the OP's goal, dividends from stocks (or simply investing in stocks which share dividends) is definitely not the way to go.

It is common advice that one shouldn't keep all his eggs in the same basket, and investing in stocks, especially if they pay dividends, may be a good option for those who are full in crypto, as a way to exchange risk for growing potential. But if the OP is looking for ways to double his fortune, he should start looking for other alternatives and be willing to assume a high risk.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on October 01, 2024, 07:53:32 PM

How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?

It ends up being a question of allocating money to traditional stocks and other markets and crypto. Each has their unique thing and thus their pros and cons. Coming from a background of stocks, I can see the potential that dividends have but it is also important that the buyer sells those stocks to rebuy again and not just hold it. Compared to bitcoin holding it for long periods does avoid the short term drops and gives an overall profit.

These asset class vary and depending on your mileage you will have to give them different weightage. I have both and I get dividends every few months as compared to nothing on the bitcoin that I hold. But for me both are equally important.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on October 01, 2024, 07:53:32 PM

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How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?

That's very easy to have that kind of million, easy to spend and choose those stocks that pay dividends. Aside from the stocks, you can choose REITs to pay you dividends and with this, you need to do research with the both of them. I get the idea of those people that are investing into Bitcoin and then after they make money, they'll invest somewhere else. It's a wise idea if that's the game plan because you don't want your money parked and do nothing but you're making your money work for you. But I'm more curious to see if you're walking the talk and got that real money.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on October 01, 2024, 07:53:32 PM

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How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?

Depends on the stock. You need to look at the stock's earnings growth, debt to equity ratio etc... It is not really a good idea to pick a stock just because it is paying high dividends. On the contrary, in most cases high dividend yield is a red flag because it means the investors are dumping the stock and that's because they know that its dividend yield isn't sustainable.

Usually it is wise to invest in blue chip dividend paying companies like KO, PEP, MCD, XOM, PM etc. as they have been around for a very long time and most of the time they also have been increasing their dividend payments every year.

People that have lots of money invest in these stocks are getting retired on them. That's a very common way to become a financially independent individual. It is called FIRE on many parts of the internet (financially independent, retire early) The idea is nothing new.

$20 million is a very big amount. 3% dividend yield on that portfolio will give you $600k annual income and that's probably more than one would ever need. The hard part is of course getting that $20 million. Investing it in dividend stocks would only take 10 minutes. click click click and done.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 04, 2024, 12:45:03 PM

OP, I don't think you're going to be able to do what you want to do by investing in dividend stocks. I'm all for passive income, but if you want to grow the value of your bitcoin why jump into the stock market? There's no need for that, and you'd probably end up losing money like most people do who ask basic questions about investing on discussion forums. Lol.

The idea of investing in bitcoin or stocks is all about trying to fight against inflation by taking advantage of passive income. The bitcoin market is a small market compared to the stock market which of course like you said is over a 100 years old.

It is nice to notice the fact that bitcoin actually created an atmosphere of a digital banking system around periods just after 2009 when people started to gradually believe in crypto. Bitcoin is easier to invest in especially in smaller amounts although it's volatile.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 02, 2024, 12:36:33 AM

but there are some tech stocks that have performed really well and you could have doubled your investment in a few years.

Can't argue with that, except the vast majority of tech stocks don't pay dividends and that's what this topic is all about. Any stock in the tech sector that does pay a dividend probably isn't the kind that's doubled/tripled in the past few years or so.

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on October 01, 2024, 11:18:21 PM

Bitcoin has been more profitable than dividend stocks and all indications are that it will continue to be so.

I would point out that the stock market has over 100 years of history to look back on when judging performance, while bitcoin's only goes back to 2009. Fifteen years might seem like a lot of time to some, but when you're comparing it against a stock market index like the Dow or S&P 500, it's not enough to say anything meaningful really--plus you can't predict the future performance of anything by looking at charts of its past performance. Bitcoin sure looks like it's going to crush the stock market from here to eternity, but anything could happen. That's especially true when there's all sorts of scrutiny by governments regarding crypto.

OP, I don't think you're going to be able to do what you want to do by investing in dividend stocks. I'm all for passive income, but if you want to grow the value of your bitcoin why jump into the stock market? There's no need for that, and you'd probably end up losing money like most people do who ask basic questions about investing on discussion forums. Lol.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on October 01, 2024, 07:53:32 PM

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How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?

I wouldn't bother to diversify such amount of bitcoin into any stock because with the amount of bitcoin that you mentioned in the OP, it is enough to give you a bigger profit than any high profit dividend stock. This is because currently bitcoin is the best investment anyone can invest on for good profit since the value of bitcoin is appreciating higher than any other investment that you can think of due to its volatile nature.

Bitcoin is still early, and the price will continue increasing overtime no matter that the steepness will not be as deep as it was in the early days of bitcoin. Stock is an old-fashioned traditional way of investing; bitcoin is a digital asset that within the years of creation till date it has outperform other investments that has being in existence for long. It will be a wrong thing to diversify your bitcoin into a low profit investment that does not have the potential to grow your profit overtime.

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You can ask your broker that if you have 20 million dollars. People forget that the rich people do not come here on bitcointalk forum and ask this question, you do not have to worry about it when you are poor neither, you are going to be getting calls without a doubt and they will help you with everything you want.

You can tell your broker to get 10 top dividend paying stocks and you will be making good money from it without a doubt, that is literally all you have to do, tell broker to find companies that pay dividends and pick the top 10 of them, the biggest marketcap ones, and they will keep paying you dividends all your life, and tell the broker to sell any if they stop paying dividends and you should be doing fine and get another one. It's literally that simple for you, a 5 or maybe 10 minute phone talk and it's done. Without being rich, you would not know that, and you would just consider what to do, because you do not know how rich people live, so stop worrying about what to do when you are rich, when you are not rich.

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Quote from: stompix on October 03, 2024, 09:54:32 PM

SP500 index is at 15% for the last 5 years and 10% for the last 10 years, of course depending on how you multiply the sums, CAGR or not indexable but still, 10% is pretty doable, and other indexes are beating even that.

The historical return of the S&P 500 has averaged 10% (excluding inflation) over the past 100 years. The only index to beat that consistently for decades is the NASDAQ 100 at 3.5% plus. Here it does not serve as a benchmark that another index has beaten the S&P for a couple of years.

Quote from: stompix on October 03, 2024, 09:54:32 PM

Also, if we look at Tesla or Nvidia over the last 5 years, well, Bitcoin wasn't really the best during the last period Wink

Yes, and both the indexes (in general) and Tesla stock don't pay dividends, which is what the OP was talking about.

The debate on whether it is better to invest for dividends or capital appreciation would be a topic for another thread in my opinion.

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Quote from: Poker Player on October 03, 2024, 08:47:47 AM

The OP has no fucking clue what he's talking about, and nowhere near 20 million in bitcoin.

OP is fixated on multiplying millions in a few years, I have no doubt that he doesn't have those millions, not thousands of dollars but also pretty much no actual plan and no knowledge of what multiplying your capital would involve and what the risks are.

Quote from: Poker Player on October 03, 2024, 08:47:47 AM

Good dividend companies will at most give you 10% a year between dividends and capital appreciation, and if you buy them one by one you will make mistakes and you will surely get less than that 10%, while bitcoin will most likely give you a lot more than that 10% in the next few years on average.

SP500 index is at 15% for the last 5 years and 10% for the last 10 years, of course depending on how you multiply the sums, CAGR or not indexable but still, 10% is pretty doable, and other indexes are beating even that.
Also, if we look at Tesla or Nvidia over the last 5 years, well, Bitcoin wasn't really the best during the last period Wink

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on October 01, 2024, 07:53:32 PM

how could they grow this amount many x over?

by speculating on a risky investment, I don't think dividends will cut it, you will probably make double of your money after few decades relying on dividend alone (without accounting capital growth of course), and that if the company you were investing not just underperforming and went into bankruptcy within a decade.

never hold that much amount of money myself but maybe if you're so fixated with stock investing in company like NVIDIA, AMD or something like that but wait until the hype about these stocks fades first.

or maybe you can take the easiest way of just holding BTC all the way up to $100k or more, essentially doubling your money, if you're brave enough to take the risk of course.

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The OP has no fucking clue what he's talking about, and nowhere near 20 million in bitcoin.

For the sake of argument, I will respond that dumping bitcoin to buy dividend companies is quite likely to be a sell the winner to buy laggards move. Good dividend companies will at most give you 10% a year between dividends and capital appreciation, and if you buy them one by one you will make mistakes and you will surely get less than that 10%, while bitcoin will most likely give you a lot more than that 10% in the next few years on average.

Besides, there is no “broker” that will make you that move of exchanging bitcoin for dividend companies. First you will have to sell the bitcoin and with that money buy the shares. Even if you could do it directly, you will have to pay capital gains (if you sell more expensive than you bought), which is another argument for not doing what you are proposing.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on October 01, 2024, 07:53:32 PM

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How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?

When you are making money from a volatile assets, you shouldn't invest that earned money into another volatile assets class. That's not wise unless you want to diversify your investment for long term.

Dividend stocks are good! But these stocks will not make you consistent money. Try real estate investment trusts. I am sure you have REITs in your local exchange. In my country, REIT investment is extremely lucrative which usually gives us an yield of around 9% - 11% every year from dividends. Capital appreciation is separate!

I consider Bitcoin investment a safer place to increase your ROI than looking for a company where you'll get dividends, you'll have to DYOR and make the decision for yourself. Unless ofcourse you want to diversify your income into another asset that can yield profits to you, but you should remember that the company of your choice must be profitable before you can make profits too. If I have such an amount to invest I'd choose real estate because it constantly appreciates and you're always sure of making profits. Besides real estate keeps you in charge, instead of relying on when your volatile asset will give you returns on your funds.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on October 01, 2024, 07:53:32 PM

If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?

If that's your goal speculating on low market-cap coins is probably the better move compared to traditional options with less volatility (and risk). I mean there's no way to grow your 20 million USD multiple times quickly without no risk at all. You're looking at high-risk options that end up as a scam most of the time. Alternatively, start your own business and use that money to grow your business quickly.

If it were me I'd diversify and change my goal even if only have $1 million. Being too greedy is not a good thing, especially when I can live decently with $200/month or so.

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From what I have been experienced trying to invest in dividend and comparing it to more volatile investment such as stock or even Bitcoin. Dividend investing is a great strategy for anyone who wants stable, recurring income, though it is not exactly the way to "many x" your wealth compared to more volatile options like Bitcoin. Dividends return regularly at a stable, moderate pace, typically around 3-6% per year. Oftentimes, firms within sectors like energy, real estate, and transportation yield dividends upwards of 14-25%. The high yields are often related to higher risk, or lower growth in stock value. In my opinion if you already have enough other investment, and you are on your retirement age dividen is a good option, but if you are still young and you have only few asset I would prefer other investment first.

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If i have 20 million USD worth of bitcoin I will settle with equity and bond, just changing around position between the two, no need to take unnecessary risk because even 10% APR from such big investment already big enough profit for most of us to live a decade without worrying about money.

maybe some small amount in BTC because I know potential is still there with BTC, but I'd be lying if with that money i'd prefer aggressive form of investment, I'd be highly on the defensive side taking advantage of the big capital that I have, maybe even starting out a venture capital Grin

because why not.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on October 01, 2024, 07:53:32 PM

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How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?

Your question is too open ended and depends on individual preferences in a turbulent market. If someone has a medium to high risk approach, they might pick individual shares that generate 10% in dividends - but any company that is offering this sort of return usually has lots of risk around it. I think the market average now is around 6-7% per year, including capital gains and you would be better off investing in index funds to dilute your risk over many hundreds or thousands of shares. Each country will have their own brokers and you should research them thoroughly to find the best, many will charge excess fees which can really impact your long term returns and are probably the most important point to monitor.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on October 01, 2024, 07:53:32 PM

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How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?

dividend stocks can be a bit profitable but your capital matters because if someone invest with small amount the return will also be very small, so is nothing compare to the profit you could possibly have if you hold onto Bitcoin investment, however if you already have $20 million worth of Bitcoin in your investment portfolio I would strongly advised not to sell it for dividend stocks investment, it doesn't worth it because Bitcoin can give you more than what that investment will give in the future, so let's take for instance your $20 million is equivalent to 328.99 BTC and if in the future Bitcoin price rise to $500k you can imagine how many millions you would make instead of dividend stocks that will not give you such amounts.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on October 01, 2024, 07:53:32 PM

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How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?

When you are making money from a volatile assets, you shouldn't invest that earned money into another volatile assets class. That's not wise unless you want to diversify your investment for long term.

Dividend stocks are good! But these stocks will not make you consistent money. Try real estate investment trusts. I am sure you have REITs in your local exchange. In my country, REIT investment is extremely lucrative which usually gives us an yield of around 9% - 11% every year from dividends. Capital appreciation is separate!

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on October 01, 2024, 07:53:32 PM

How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? ... If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?

The motivation for doing this thing isn't about multiplying your money anymore since if someone already profited from Bitcoin, they have done that already, and become rich.
After becoming rich, you want to minimize (or at least decrease) your risk and just live with peace of mind.
Investing in the S&P 500 is still risky so you can adjust your portfolio accordingly. Or if you still want to "get richer quick" you can still do what you're good at -- speculating in crypto. But be cautious with the risk, DYOR & DWYOR.

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