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Topic: Do Humans Have Free Will? - page 3. (Read 586 times)

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December 03, 2019, 02:22:23 AM
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I'm pretty sure what you've stated is the process of decision making, which isn't really considered as free will.

Process differs from the action, and then there's also the subconscious action where the process is forgotten and the action is just taken. Free will is basically you creating a decision, much like creating something, aka the result. The process of creation is the whatever thingy majig you said, that is imo only.
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December 02, 2019, 10:24:42 PM
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For individuals, yes.
As multiple groups or even as a whole,no.
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December 02, 2019, 07:48:21 PM
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Again, the thing that is called free choice, is really controlled by stimuli build up over time, caused by biochemical activity in body and brain. It isn't free choice in the way we understand freedom. It is controlled by physics.

True free choice is basically the extent to which we accept God, spiritually... in a way that is unknown as to how it works. Then, God takes our free choice decision regarding our faith in Him, and provides the artificial free choice in the biochemical arena, and in what happens in our lives.

It's completely different than simple free choice... like which side of the bed should I get out on this morning. It is completely controlled by God regarding the results... not that it isn't free will or free choice in some of the basics regarding how much faith we have in God.

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December 02, 2019, 06:05:49 PM
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Yes most Humans have free will, this can be seen in he area of choice and act of preference when it come to some certain matter, ideas, discussion, or National issues. And we  see people contradicts each other. Most of the time it may be personal. In the Bible God said " My thought for you is of good and not evil, to give you an expected end" This is the will of God for all His Followers. irrespective of what people say or do that is a free will of God for his followers. So also, like Adam has a free will to name every animal God created with its name,that is his free will, and what ever name Adam called the animal,that is the name such animals bears till date.It is  possible if Eve was allowed to name the animals as regarding her free will to do that, the names of some of the animals we have in the world today might be different.
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December 02, 2019, 12:35:45 PM
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Cause and effect controls what we call free will. The things you ate last night for supper change your electrolytes in your brain, so it makes different choices. There are all kinds of other stimuli that change your free will base.

There is free will. But it is totally different than what we generally think.

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December 02, 2019, 07:31:26 AM
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free will is simply the ability to choose.
its the difference between deciding to take a shower or staying in bed stinking for days.

sub-consciousness is when repeating a choice/task. it becomes automated and like muscle memory

we do have free will because even though we dont consciously say breathe in breathe out. we do have the ability to over-ride the automated muscle memory to hold our breathe or hyperventiate at any time we choose.

in society having free will is about our choices. but politically/legally some choices do come with consequences

we have free will if in a healthy state of mind. but that is why in courts they have a 'clause' to not convict someone that is not mentally competent, but instead put them into a mental institution(patient not convict)
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December 02, 2019, 05:45:06 AM
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The idea of free will originates from the concept that human neurophysiology allows for an individual to make a conscious choice about one's actions prior committing and executing that action. However, where does the "thought" of committing an action originate from?

Many argue that free will constitutes your inner consciousness which allow you to think of doing actions before you execute them. However, if any choice that an individual makes derives from consciousness, which is simply neuronal electrical firings deep within the cerebral cortex, mere repeated biochemical reactions, is that choice actually produced by free will of an individual?

Any thought that proceeds through your consciousness is a mere supplementation to your previous thought. Meaning, anything that you think of is a result of a previous neuronal action influencing another neuronal action producing a thought, which gives the perception of free will. At any given moment, you can't actually say what you're going to think of next until it happens. There isn't any thought process that goes into what you're going to think of next, it just happens.

You can try this experiment yourself. Think of any number randomly in your mind right now. Then ask yourself, at what point during your thought process did you single out that number? What internal factors within your consciousness allowed you to pick that number? Of course, external environmental factors could prime you to pick a certain number, but this doesn't lend credence to the idea that you yourself determined a number based upon your own free will. Point being, you did not and cannot originate the source of the number you just picked.


Any thoughts you had prior to picking your number is the action of firing neurons in which EEG electrical activity rises. This electrical activity within your brain influenced other neurons to fire causing your conscious to derive and produce a number. You cannot pinpoint nor did you control any of these neuronal firings within the process of selecting a number. Does this suggest free will is an illusion?

For free will to exist and for you to make a truly "conscious" decision would be for some you, whatever "you" may be, to be fully aware of all the internal factors within your mind, every neurotransmitter, every neuronal synapse, and every biochemical reaction occurring within your brain and manipulating these factors in order to produce some sort of output. Granted it isn't possible to have access to every neurotransmitter, every neuronal synapse, and every biochemical reaction occurring within your mind, how could free will exist?



The existence of free will, or the lack thereof, fundamentally changes how society should operate. If free will doesn't exist, should criminals be held accountable for their actions? This isn't as crazy as it might seem. The U.S. already accepts the plea of insanity in which an individual is not held responsible for a crime they commit by reason of mental illness. This does not mean the individual is not separated from society, but it does mean the individual is not held liable for their crimes. I am not advocating that we do not hold criminals liable for crimes, however it poses the question of why a criminal may act in the first place and whether any crime committed is truly the result of one's free will or is laid at the feet of determinism.



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