Topic: Do I get scammed? (Read 297 times)

  Yes.

If your paypal is linked to a bank account, ask your bank they might be able to reverse the transaction even if it's friends & family. Your bank is probably your last chance because Paypal won't reverse a f&f transaction if you dispute it. Also dispute the transaction on Paxful, read this article. 

Just like you said, don't cancel the order until someone send you the coins, and when someone tolds you that you sent too little money then it's a first red flag.
You can call a moderator if sellers behaviour raises your doubts, but like I mentioned before, Paypal is not safe way to buy Bitcoin.

By the way, how many transactions you had so far on Paxful? Scammers usually focus on newbies account's with none or few transactions, because they assume that person doesn't have enough knowledge to protect from fraud.

so after some days I can say that I got scammed.

Is here someone buying sometimes at paxful.

What should I be care next time? Don't cancel the order until he send me the Coins, but what when he say that I send to less?

I should call a moderator then right?


regards

First of all. It is a common method to mark as friend/family on PayPal transaction to minimize the transaction fee. I've done many transaction using PayPal and I always request in that way but of course you need to make sure first the reputation of the person you are going to transact. The only shady behavior here of the Paxful seller was the way he request to cancel transaction and replaced with the new one. If I'm OP, I will definitely not do that because its not included in the terms of there agreement.

The danger on paxful is verified account are available on marketplace. I saw several verified paxful account here that selling in digital goods which is quite alarming. Paxful can help OP to retrieve his money if the Paxful user is using his real ID for the verification and not bought account.

The thread was not created with the right format, in the first place there is already a deceit by making the transactions for freiends and relatives when the transaction is all about buying and selling, the service transaction is meant to protect buyer and seller in case there is a dispute I don't know if Paypal will allow this,I guess Paxful can help you with this, update us for any outcome.

I don't understand the chat very well because of language but it looks like you were tricked and you have been scammed. The scammer probably wanted you to used friends and family as you can not chargeback/ reverse the transaction should a dispute a rise. Paxful support are the only ones that can try to help you in this case.

As far I know you can just buy verified Paxful account so the fact that the account is verified actually does not mean that the person has good intentions towards you and others.
Paypal transactions are very risky and even Paxful pays attention to be careful with such transactions.
I suggest to not use Paypal, which is the scammers favorite payment processor.

I can't say if you have been scammed, but as someone mentioned earlier - it doesn't look too good.

They always want it as friend on paxful

As you have already submitted report to one of their moderator then i think you should wait for their response. I can't say exactly you got scammed or not but overall thing is not looking good.  

In recent time we are experiencing simillar incidents like your kne which are relates with paxful.
Here is another one and you may take a look; https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/paxfulcom-is-scam-please-be-aware-5260519

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Friends and family only
7. Juli 2020 12:52

Um Sie vor Nutzern zu schützen, die sich als Paxful-Moderatoren ausgeben, wechselt die obige Anzeige auf "Verfügbar", sobald sich ein Paxful-Moderator dem Chat zuschaltet. Wenn Sie das Gefühl haben, dass etwas nicht stimmt, dann melden Sie das Problem oder eröffnen einen Streitfall.
Paxful-Moderator 7. Juli 2020 12:52

Hello I can’t send as friend can I send normal?
7. Juli 2020 12:52

Which email
7. Juli 2020 12:53
Simiyuphilis

Hello
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 12:53
Simiyuphilis

Friends and family only bro
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 12:53

I’ll try let me know the mail please
7. Juli 2020 12:53
Simiyuphilis

[email protected]
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 12:53

Ok I’ve paid
7. Juli 2020 12:55

Der Verkäufer überprüft nun Ihre Zahlung. Wenn Sie nicht bezahlt haben, könnten Sie für Coinlocking gemeldet und Ihr Konto gesperrt werden. Sobald der Anbieter die Zahlung bestätigt, werden die Bitcoins aus dem Treuhandkonto in Ihre Paxful-Wallet übertragen.
7. Juli 2020 12:57

When will I get the btc?
7. Juli 2020 13:20

I’m still waiting
7. Juli 2020 13:20
Simiyuphilis

PayPal has an issue
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 13:26
Simiyuphilis

Allow me some time for PayPal to respond
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 13:27

I’ve send the money please fix it ASAP otherwise I have to report this to paxful
7. Juli 2020 13:28

I need the btc
7. Juli 2020 13:29
Simiyuphilis

Hello bro
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 14:24
Simiyuphilis

Done but you messed up with the calculations
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 14:24

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7. Juli 2020 14:25

Simiyuphilis hat gerade einen Anhang hochgeladen.
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7. Juli 2020 14:25

Simiyuphilis hat gerade einen Anhang hochgeladen.
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7. Juli 2020 14:26
Simiyuphilis

But don't add the missing to the mail again coz it would be limited
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 14:26

I’ve entered 150€ I don’t know why because of fees?
7. Juli 2020 14:27

Send me the amount of btc please
7. Juli 2020 14:27

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7. Juli 2020 14:29

I’ve send 153,99€
7. Juli 2020 14:29
Simiyuphilis

Cancel this and open trade for 142 Euros,.. I'll release you there
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 14:34
Simiyuphilis

You don't have to pay again
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 14:34

Send me at first the money back
7. Juli 2020 14:35

I don’t understand what you mean send the btc or I will report
7. Juli 2020 14:35
Simiyuphilis

Hey bro,.. have withdrawn
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 14:35

I’ve send 154€
7. Juli 2020 14:35
Simiyuphilis

How can I refund now?
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 14:36
Simiyuphilis

It's just to release you your coins bro
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 14:36

Send me the btc I will send you some money to your PayPal
7. Juli 2020 14:36
Simiyuphilis

I told you it would be limited
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 14:36
Simiyuphilis

Didn't you understood?
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 14:36
Simiyuphilis

Is it your first time?
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 14:36

Yes I don’t know
7. Juli 2020 14:37

I have to cancel now?
7. Juli 2020 14:37
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Yes
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Der Handel wurde von Jennykast abgebrochen. Die Bitcoins befinden sich nicht mehr im Treuhandkonto. Es ist NICHT sicher, den Verkäufer zu bezahlen. Der Verkäufer muss das Treuhandkonto erneut öffnen.

Not in escrow anymore.

7. Juli 2020 14:37
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Cancel then open
Paxful-Nutzer 7. Juli 2020 14:37

how can I open
7. Juli 2020 14:43

and for 142€
7. Juli 2020 14:43

I cant find the button for buying from you
7. Juli 2020 14:45

I cant open for 142 € there is standing
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7. Juli 2020 14:45

Hello?
7. Juli 2020 14:50

send the btc to my wallet?
7. Juli 2020 14:51

I'll report you
7. Juli 2020 14:54

I dont want to wait all the day
7. Juli 2020 14:54

HELLO!!!!
7. Juli 2020 14:55

?? let me know right now
7. Juli 2020 14:57

Here I reported him.

7. Juli 2020 14:59

Hello? How long do I have to wait?
7. Juli 2020 15:09

Why you don’t reply?
7. Juli 2020 15:20

Hello answer please!!!
7. Juli 2020 15:28

I would have often deals with you but don’t scam me
7. Juli 2020 15:37

Hello!! send me the btc now!
7. Juli 2020 15:58

to: 3FyURtyui3KoVWgwYrTtbW9LFdbctLMdQQ
7. Juli 2020 15:59

send for 142€ to 3FyURtyui3KoVWgwYrTtbW9LFdbctLMdQQ
7. Juli 2020 15:59

hello I'm waiting more than 1 h when will you send the btc? tell me
7. Juli 2020 16:06
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Simiyuphilis

Im clueless with your issue, can you bit explain more. From what I udnerstand you are using exchange paxful to get your btc while your payment has been done via paypal right? Based on that scenario, you already give payment but you are not receiving your btc on the exchange right? If thats what happened and he suddenly gone, then you got scammed. Can you show us details of your conversation or any evidence pointing to the one who scammed you. But since you already reported on moderator, it should be taken care of, however if its a p2p transaction then they will not be liable for your loss. You should be careful when dealing with buy and sell, you should used escrow as much as possible.

Hey,

I wanted to buy btc for 150€ paypal and send them the money as friend.

So I paid via Paypal 150€ + 3,99 € PayPal fees.

He said I send to less and he wanted that I close the order and open a new one with 142€.

But he is only accepting 150 € - 350€.

After that he is not replying anymore. Do you think I got scammed? I reported to a moderator but I'm still waiting.

His ID and mobile Phone is verified.

Everything is happened on paxful.